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On 11/13/2022 at 11:34 AM, drotto said:But this pattern is consistent with the first BP. It was split was 52% domestic and 48% international, with about $135 million of that coming from China and Russia, where this movie will not be released. So removing those two countries from that total it means BP would be 58% domestic and 42% international. WF seems to be tracking very close to that split. Black Panther is clearly a character that plays better domestic than international, as shown by its reversal of the typical MCU split.
Sticking with my $850 million.
...if only Black Panther was in it.
-J.
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On 11/13/2022 at 9:38 AM, paperheart said:
Domestic BO is fine; can it do 2.7x opening weekend like Batman ($500M) or will it peform like DS:MOM (2.2x) = $400M? Int'l is not great; won't be like Thor:L&T or DS: MOM which did 20-30% greater internationally.
No chance this gets to $1BB. North of $900M off this opening might be a moral victory.
Not going to happen.
It's Friday-sunday daily drops were similar to MoM domestically, but it made less overall opening weekend, and, much like the original black Panther, is under performing internationally, but even more so this time.
I'm sticking with my 800mm-900mm final total that I said a month+ ago, most likely right at around 850mm.
Not a flop, but a BIG drop compared to the first one.
And I continue to be flabbergasted at the sheer stupidity of killing a fictional comic book character off just because the actor who played him ONE time in a solo movie died.
#notchallanoticket
-J.
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On 11/10/2022 at 5:51 PM, paperheart said:
nearly pointless exercise, guess the BO: Int'l- last one did $525M ex China/Russia- ticket prices up big but less buzz = $500M; US, no way it matches original, huge opening and the month of clear sailing until Avatar helps = $550M
Will it?
That did nothing for Black Adam, which, is threatening to make LESS than Shazam.
-J.
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On 11/10/2022 at 3:11 PM, piper said:
7.3 on IMDB and 85% on RT indicates it should be watchable.
Imdb is almost nothing but troll and bot accounts at this point and the RT algorithm is proven to be biased and flawed and easily manipulated.
Which is why many people consider metacritic to be the most "accurate" and un-corrupted (for now at least) source.
-J.
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My goodness. Both the scenes they have released for this so far have been absolutely dreadful. Getting past the purely superficial glaze from that first cirque du soleil trailer it seems like there is going to be a lot for comic book nerds to dislike and nitpick here., and a lot for casual fans to dislike in terms of some ridiculous over acting from Angela basset,, riri Williams looks like another Disney Mary Sue for people to cringe at, and the less said about ,",Namour", the better. But of course,, the critics will all absolutely love it.
My prediction- $165MM opening weekend, and a steep 60‐65% second weekend drop with a final world wide of $800‐900MM, and all but forgotten by the time avatar 2 drops three weeks later (much like this will put Black Adam out of its misery next week)- only about 400-500MM below the first BP.
Maybe those numbers will finally make Feige just recast the damn role? I mean you have a freaking multiverse now.
-J.
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On 11/2/2022 at 9:21 PM, drotto said:
Point taken, but the stipulation was Marvel. :P
True well if we are doing "just Marvel" then it is Blade. Which is only a few months after Steel.
But credit due to DC for doing it first and Robert Townsend for getting meteor man made at all.
-J.
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On 11/2/2022 at 6:39 PM, @therealsilvermane said:
Btw, how am I virtue-signaling? I thought I was just stating reality. I mean, what world do YOU live in that you haven't realized the MCU Black Panther's pop-cultural importance to the African-American community at large? Oh, the same world that you think Black Lightning would somehow be more appealing to kids than the Black Panther.
Also, 70's stereotype wants its definition of the African-American experience back.
It sure would be great if Black Panther was actually in this movie, wouldn't it.
-J.
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On 11/1/2022 at 10:32 AM, Gul123 said:
Great books do you have the books for sale?
Thank you!
Unfortunately, not for sale though.
You can try posting what you're looking for and willing to pay here though and see if you get any bites.
https://boards.cgccomics.com/forum/50-comics-market-want-to-buy/
-J.
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On 10/31/2022 at 6:30 PM, Beige said:
'Emotional punch' 'Heavy' 'Explore word themes' 'Boseman's legacy' 'Raw Emotions'
I'll be that guy.- the above quotes are enough to put off a lot of people.
You can see that on just this thread.
The reviews first words after seeing it - 'Well, it was a long film'......
Chadwick Boseman died. Way too young. And that's tragic.
However - and I'm just being honest here, before getting a lucky break, and being cast as Black Panther - who here had heard of him?
And in the MCU - besides the self-titled movie - BP was a peripheral character.
I don't need to pay $$ to go sit through a 30 min Chadwick Boseman eulogy.
I certainly don't want to pay $$ to go and see a movie that gravitates on the death of a person I didn't know, playing a character that hasn't impressed me.
Wakanda and it's 'science' - hell yeah - that was impressive.
The Black Panther - no.
As a character I thought Killmonger and M'Baku were more interesting, and as actors played much better.
Should have just recast the character and moved on.
Flesh out the Black Panther to give him presence and purpose, rather than mourn a character that hadn't really come to 'life' yet.
I'll reserve judgement on Namor - but 1st impressions aren't stellar from my point of view.
On the twitter reviews and the trailer - it's an easy wait for Disney+
Bingo.
-J.
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Seems the editors at rotten tomatoes have thrown in the towel on this one, comparing the numbers, unfavorably, to Famtastic Beasts 3 and the eternals.
"The worldwide total for the nearly $200-million budgeted film currently stands at just $250 million, and if it can only expect around another $50-60 million from North America, this could turn into a Fantastic Beasts 3 kind of loser for Warner Bros. to go out on in 2022."
-J.
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Black Adam is clearly a bad movie but Suicide Squad and Elektra are absolutely unwatchable. As are Birds of Prey and Wonder Woman 84 and Fantastic Four rise of the silver surfer (wtf Galactus??).
-J.
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On 10/30/2022 at 8:45 AM, Bosco685 said:
"Eyeing a 370M-420M run." Ouch. Luiz now agreeing with numbers I gave three weeks ago.
-J.
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The same as the first movies once they finally accept the reality that they need to simply recast the characters people actually care about and want to see.
-J.
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On 10/24/2022 at 12:38 PM, GeeksAreMyPeeps said:
"Bidders, be aware that this comic was found, among others, in an abandoned warehouse, & is a possible misprint."
Um, *someone* owns that warehouse. So basically the seller is confirming that the book was stolen.Thr books are miscut along the top, the colors are wrong, the paper is wrong , they're obviously fake.
-J.
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On 10/23/2022 at 6:49 PM, devald said:
These clearly look fake… even shows additional staple holes. 🤦♂️
https://www.ebay.com/itm/204130222175
https://www.ebay.com/itm/204130227434
Yeah those are definitely counterfeit.
Can't believe people are doing this.
-J.
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On 10/23/2022 at 12:11 PM, Ryan. said:
Thanks !
Nice. That's the same one listed on ebay. Older label goodness.
-J.
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On 10/23/2022 at 10:45 AM, Bosco685 said:
Is it Halloween already?
Sorry. I forgot about you mocking up marketing results.
To determine final profits, what were the following:
- Actual P&A Budget number (not a wild guesstimate to reinforce a negative narrative).
- revenue-sharing deals with creators and cast.
- Location tax breaks and expense discounts to encourage buying from regional suppliers.
- Cast salary discounted rates to star with Dwayne Johnson.
- Merchandising licenses tied to the movie.
- Product placement revenue.
You have all this handy, right?
Do I need all that ?
No
These are estimates.
A typical p&A budget for a "major tentpole" is around $150MM. A bare minimum for ANY movie with a worldwide release is about $100MM. It doesn't take a film genius to figure that this turkey is on the high side of that.
Ancillaries can offset but they don't change what the movie cost and they don't help to make it turn a profit.
THE THING HAS TO ACTUALLY MAKE MONEY TO DO THAT.
And this one didn't make very much in its opening weekend.
At the end of the day , WB went all in on Dwyane and only made another $13MM more on opening weekend than they did with Shazam, on half the budget and no "stars".
-J.
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On 10/23/2022 at 9:47 AM, Bosco685 said:
You meant the third highest solo budget since Man of Steel since 2013, right?
No.
I don't care about frivolous qualifiers that attempt to paper over failure.
This, and Shazam, a movie that also didn't make any money, with half the budget, are the two lowest DCEU films and only $10MM more than ant-man from 8 years ago, unadjusted and on far fewer screens. That just is not good for a movie with a ~$350MM production and marketing expense. Looks like my original $400MM-$500MM total run estimate is still very much in play.
Obviously this movie has a few weeks of no competition ahead of it , and a miracle could happen, but right now the only thing I can smell the Rock cooking is disappointment.
-J.
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On 10/22/2022 at 4:31 AM, Ryan. said:
Someone is selling a 667 in the VCC.
Link ?
-J.
7.3 on IMDB and 85% on RT indicates it should be watchable.
BLACK ADAM starring Dwayne Johnson (TBD)
in The Movie Forum
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The "China can save any flop" narrative is dead and gone.
Furthermore, Dwayne has never been able to solo carry a movie, and this particular movie should have never been made.
WB would have been wise to trust their initial instincts about ever making it at all. There was never going to be a lucrative or successful sub-franchise coming from the puny $365MM worldwide grossing Shazam.
-J.