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On 6/25/2022 at 2:28 PM, drotto said:
It is a somewhat valid comparison given they should draw from a similar fan base. The Batman is a little inaccurate because it is essentially yet another Batman reboot, it was long delayed, had controversial casting chooses, and is not attached to an establish universe. Dr Strange 2 is a mild miss because....
1. It is in the firmly established MCU with a built in fanbase
2. It is the follow up film to Spider-Man which did 1.8 billion
3. It is to this point, the first true continuing storyline film of phase 4 (yes SM had this to a degree, but it was really a side story).
4. It has two very popular very established characters with high profile leads.
5. It was positioned as the first essential movie in phase 4.
6. It is the first true post pandemic film.
7. It is also a sequel to WandaVision.
8. It has more member berries than anything ever filmed.
9. If Captain Marvel, Black Panther, and Thor 3, cracked 1 billion. You can easily make an argument that this should have.
I say this is a disappointment the same way That Batman v Superman was a disappointment in failing to reach 1 billion, but certainly did well at the box office.
Well in fairness Thor 3 made 850M not a billion.
Black Panther had the buzz of being the first black (mainstream) superhero movie in the MCU.
Captain Marvel was sold as the final must see build up movie to endgame (even if. It wasn't anything close to that.)
It doesn't matter how many movies Dr. Strange was in, he was never an "A-lister" in the MCU until no way home and I have no doubt that it would have hit 1B had it gotten the same China release that Batman got and squandered.
We can sit here all day and come up with reasons and excuses for why a movie did or did not make the box office we expect it to. If people want to see a movie they will go see it. If they don't they won't. No other explanation is needed.
Indeed, it really is quite remarkable that while Strange sits just shy of 1B with no China, "the best Batman eva!" is moping around with only 770M. While that's not in flop territory , it really is kind of bad and a big miss on expectations and what "could" have been.
Fact is , people just weren't that impressed with the Batman. Fact is multiverse of madness did just fine.
-J.
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On 6/25/2022 at 9:16 AM, Bosco685 said:
It's the silliest comparison because you are assuming they are on equal footing within an established franchise and linked follow-up stories.
They aren't!
-Someonethatcanthinkandchewgum
None of that is a valid reason to prevent comparison.
-J.
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On 6/25/2022 at 7:36 AM, Bosco685 said:
"I'm going to compare two unlike things. Ignore this makes no sense. Thanks!
-J."
"I'm going to compare two super hero movies that were released within 4 months of each other"
FTFY
-J.
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On 6/23/2022 at 6:53 AM, drotto said:
This movie did well and is absolutely profitable. I will contend that after Spider-Man made 1.8 billion, that this movie missing the 1 billion mark could be considered a mild miss. I say this because the MCU really tried to make this the focal point movie so far for phase 4, and other MCU films similarly placed have been making 1 billion look easy. Yes, we are no longer in the Pandemic era of movies, deal with it.
If this was a mild miss I'm wondering what you think Batman was ?
-J.
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On 6/24/2022 at 10:42 PM, Otter1775 said:
On the bay:
Older label goodness.
May tempt a C-P-R specialist or two...
-J.
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On 6/22/2022 at 10:31 PM, divad said:
In fact, I'd have to spend quite a bit more time to choose a modern age grail (if any there are) to post, instead of the collected knee-jerk fanboy responses that have been posted here. Self admittedly, to me, the comic art form begins with "comic art" not some trumped-up scarcity, sociological act or declaration. Frankly, it takes both great art and social upheaval, not just one of those elements. "With great power comes great responsibility."
By even your own oddly rigid criteria I would say the Batman 608RRP would have to qualify. It has everything from a first appearance, to an iconic Jim Lee cover (that was even used as a movie poster), to scarcity. It also was a harbinger for all the variants that we see today.
-J.
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On 6/22/2022 at 10:22 PM, divad said:
Hugely popular, however, so at least there's some justification for its significance to the hobby, but frankly, What has Miles done? His only achievement is to be the first non-white spider-man. And don't misinterpret me, I am a principled supporter of all things progressive, integrated and non-white (or however you wish to categorize or define it.)
Miguel O'Hara and Hobart Brown don't count?
-J
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On 6/23/2022 at 8:24 AM, Joshua33 said:
Yup. Here we go again. You've been given way more proof than crumbs. The publishing dates from DC, date stamps on copies and everything you asked for as proof, snd you got mad when you got slapped in the face, with what you said didn't exist.
I don't care much for Superman... always been a Batman and Conan guy myself. Product of the 80s I guess.
And it's so obvious that you care by your walls of text for years, always trying to get the last word in. I'm sorry you lost your argument. Maybe it's time move on?
I'm going to post these here and then I am done with this because it is pointless and stupid- some more official data from the actual publisher. Notice the book descriptions and release dates. Oops. How pesky and inconvenient for you. How "contrarian" of me.
Have fun trying to talk around, rationalize, ignore, dismiss, or whatever else you need to do with these to cling to your unprovable (and clearly wrong) fan theories.
-J.
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On 6/23/2022 at 8:49 AM, KCOComics said:
He's a contrarian who enjoys causing a stir with strangers on the internet. He doesn't believe the things he writes, he just enjoys the swirl he can cause.
He was saying AF15 is the most valuable book in comics, when it obviously and clearly wasn't. It was a ridiculous position and was proven wrong when Sup 1 sold for $5M+, but he continued the argument even after that.
Who's the "contrarian"?
https://www.dccomics.com/characters/lex-luthor
(But you'll probably just ignore that too)
-J.
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On 6/23/2022 at 6:56 AM, shadroch said:
If what you think is irrelevant, why do you push your view so hard? I'd be in the Superman 4 camp, if it weren't irrelevant. I don't own an Action 23 and only a beater copy of Superman 4, for the record.
I'm not pushing "my" view at all lol.
I'm simply quoting the actual publisher- something that really seems to bother Joshua for some weird reason. Maybe ask him why he has been running around the internet pushing his narrative, to absolutely no avail, about a character he professes not to care about , for literally years.
Everything other than what the publisher states is unprovable theory and speculation, from fanboys and keyboard warriors, and thus irrelevant. In fact, I think it is hysterically ridiculous that some dudes on here are trying to look at every meaningless crumb they can find to support their unprovable theory, and make a concerted effort to completely ignore, talk around, or disniss WHAT THE ACTUAL PUBLISHER says.
This going in circles about it over and over here is also pointless. Any person who seriously believes the publisher has their own canon wrong would not be posting about it here and everywhere else they can online ad nauseum, they would be making their case to DC directly. Failure to do that is a tacit admission either that you know you don't really have the goods, or that you're just wrong.
-J.
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On 6/22/2022 at 8:12 PM, Joshua33 said:
I don't need to take it to the publishers. DC openly states that Luthor was released to the public first in Superman 4, and in Action 23 first as chronological story order. It's on
Ask around... I don't have a problem buying anything. I could afford to buy and sell your collection without even knowing what books you have, or how many... I know that much. Action 23 has never been a book I've cared to own. Does nothing for me, but then again, I'm not a huge Superman fan. Just wanted to get the publishing story straight... which we did, which in turn hurt your feelings. Sorry about that.
Wrong.
What DC states, and the only thing DC states , is that the first appearance of Luthor is Action 23.
Here's the link for you again one last time.
https://www.dccomics.com/characters/lex-luthor
What you think, what I think, what anyone else otherwise thinks, is utterly and entirely irrelevant.
Good talk sport.
-J.
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On 6/22/2022 at 7:55 PM, D2 said:
It is gone.
…I swear there was a listing yesterday for a 9.8 and it had a side profile sketch of Abby right by her own butt by Campbell too.
and it is now gone. Hm… I’m sorry. I feel disappointed, and a bit silly.
I can’t even see it in completed listings
Yeah I haven't seen one of those listed for sale in about 8 months.
-J.
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On 6/22/2022 at 7:04 PM, D2 said:
$5000 is almost the price of the regular ruby red. I just noticed there is one on eBay right now. I think my window of opportunity has passed on that book unfortunately.
I will check out the game though. No doubt they are working to really haul in the Battle Chasers fan base.
thanks for the heads up!
Lost book too! I would have been losing my mind. Especially since you submitted it a decade after purchasing. Way too much anxiety around that submission. Keep that for life. It was meant to stay with you forever I’m thinking
Do you have a link to that listing? I don't see it.
I don't think you'll see another 9.8 ruby red for less than 8k. Maybe even $10k
-J.
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On 6/22/2022 at 8:07 AM, Joshua33 said:
Cool story. As for you... 15 pages of people giving you proof you were wrong about the release dates (including the publisher) and you're still here whining. I've watched the same thing happen to you on the Hulk 180 forum where you argue with everybody. Sorry to tell you, but same story there, too... you're wrong.
Facts: Superman 4 hit newsstands BEFORE Action 23
Facts: Wolverine makes a FULL appearance in Hulk 180.
I'm sorry you care more about the being right, than the actual history of the medium. This stance has an obvious bias. Unfortunately, you're wrong on both counts.
Nobody cares about the unprovable speculative theories of keyboard warriors on the CGC boards.
Sounds like you just have a hard time in general knowing the right books to buy my dude.
https://www.dccomics.com/characters/lex-luthor
https://www.marvel.com/comics/issue/17198/incredible_hulk_1962_181
I repeat - take your righteous crusade directly to the publishers if you believe in them so much, and stop spinning you wheels here, because you are wasting your time.
-J.
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On 6/21/2022 at 10:53 PM, Professor K said:
Wow I can't believe this is such a difficult thing to come to a unanimous decision on. Not that that's a bad thing. I think circumstances is correct about Sup 4 coming out before AC 23 but the story in AC 23 takes place before the Sup 1 story, so chronologically AC 23 is the 1st app but in real life Sup 4 was the first time he appeared. I'm sure this has already been posted:
AC 23
Why are you wasting your time posting your irrelevant conjecture on CGC boards? Get on it man, gather all this up and present it to DC directly, you clearly know better than they do.
https://www.dccomics.com/blog/2018/02/15/road-to-1000-who-is-luthor
-J.
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On 6/21/2022 at 7:03 PM, Professor K said:
Member circumstances brought me here. Thank you circumstances. So what is the overall consensus? Sup 4 hit the stands first but AC 23 is clearly the first LL story? I love a good mystery but not enough to read 15 pages of posts. Little help?
Best I can do is this. DC Database says Sup 4 1st appearance and AC 23 first appearance chronologically. I have a restored AC 23 so I'd really like to know.
I'll make it really easy for you.
Here's what the actual publisher says.
https://www.dccomics.com/characters/lex-luthor
The rest is nothing but irrelevant white noise from people who ain't got the right book.
-J.
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On 6/21/2022 at 7:57 AM, D2 said:
I’ve always wanted to get a ruby red but it’s a really pricey variant, especially in a 9.8
I thought too, and I don’t know how true this is, but I read somewhere that there are close to 10,000 ruby red copies? That can’t be right?
After about 20 years of submissions there are still only 40 copes on the census, so not hardly.
https://recalledcomics.com/DangerGirl2RubyRed.php
@World Devourer After doing some more research I actually may have to reconsider my position on including the danger girl 2 ruby red on the list that I maintain. Evidently, it is in fact unique art relative to cover A, with the different colored lettering on the title being sub-variants.
You might be right after all.
-J.
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On 6/20/2022 at 7:26 PM, World Devourer said:
Top Ten.
Nope ! Top 5 (or 6, actually). At least based on the criteria I have used for the last 6 years. Sketched covers don't make my list and nether do covers like danger girl 2 where there is nothing different (iie "variant") about the art. Meaning no glitter, hologram, etc 1990s type gimmicks.
-J.
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On 6/20/2022 at 4:29 AM, comicartfan said:
Sweet ! This is definitely still a Top 5 Most Valuable Variant.
-J.
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So no one's blaming "covid" (yet) for this latest Disney flop?
Good. So we can all finally agree that "pandemic era" in movies is a dead and buried term (ie, excuse) for a movie nobody cares about doing badly.
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On 6/17/2022 at 12:23 PM, Charleybrown said:The 5.5 was ugly and the 6.5 was pretty nice as you mentioned. Way too many AF 15's hit the market all at once. I have a Hulk 1 thats supposed to go up in August. Is it possible to pull the book from the auction with heritage. Never thought about doing that but it seems like its going to be a slaughter in that auction.
Heritage putting a 5.5, 6.5, 7.0, and 7.5 all in the same auction might be one of the stupidest things an auction company could have done. They should have put the 5.5 and 7.0 in one auction and the 6.5 and 7.5 in a later one.
If I was the consignor of any of those books I would be severely P.O.'d.
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On 6/16/2022 at 2:59 PM, Otter1775 said:
You think, we may see more copies come to light?
No more than usual. A couple a year here and there.
-J.
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On 6/16/2022 at 2:42 PM, Otter1775 said:
How much of an impact will this have on other graded copies; e.g., 9.6, 9.4, 9.2, and so forth. Or, is it the fact of being a 9.8? Curious.
Rising tide raises all boats.
Though the 9.8 premium seems to be getting more extreme on the higher end books.
-J.
$5000 is almost the price of the regular ruby red. I just noticed there is one on 
Doctor Strange 2 announced.
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Yes they did. Both 45 days.
-J.