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I think so. No, it's not time to grade books like that, He's only saying that because he can't make up his mind weather or not it's a 9.4 or a 9.6. The system we have in place now isn't broken, some just misunderstand it. He's saying that because that's what happened in coins. The price difference between 9.4 and 9.6 becomes so great, that it becomes a necessity to have another grade in between. If you have price spreads that are 6 figures large between grades, it becomes necessary to develop new grades. It's no different than when Overstreet went from Good-Fine-Mint and eventually evolved to where we are now. It's a product of growth in the hobby.

You guys keep saying foxing but I think you mean tanning? Structurally the book looks like a 9.4 - a 9.4 is not a perfect book. You can have some rounded corners and some slight wear. The tanning is hard to assess.

Quiter I just can't spare hours and hours watching shows I don't like. Life is too short.

Any news on what might be going on with Subby?

Do yourself a favor. Just watch Daredevil again if you have to watch something. I can't imagine going 9 episodes deep into something in an effort to try to like it.

Everett was on a roll in Feb 1940! I always thought this was the 2nd swastika cover but it looks like it might be tied for second. Personally, I think the first swastika/anti-nazi cover was by Charles Mazoujian, although the design of the swastika was either intentionally or accidentally misrepresented. Moreover, this cover depicts coordinated carpet bombing, which was a Luftwaffe innovation (Condor Legion) first employed during the Spanish Civil War... I'm sure the dude I originally acquired this sweet book from would concur. My sweet ex-book! I'm not sure where I stand on 'almost Swastika' covers.

Everett was on a roll in Feb 1940! I always thought this was the 2nd swastika cover but it looks like it might be tied for second.

I have not watched Jessica Jones. Cage's first issue and origin was imo genuinely compelling, and at the time it represented Marvel trying to be "relevant". His origin is in prison, his antagonists are cruel and sadistic guards. His super powers are the product of a mad scientist's experiment. Cage is the Frankenstein creation of America's prisons and its racism- "out of hell, a hero". The original context for reading Hero for Hire 1 is the Attica prison uprising in 1971. Given the continued relevance of race in America I would think a Luke Cage series the perfect opportunity to produce something positively explosive. Except they won't. They'll probably PC it

That was actually the 1st thing that caught my eye as well. I thought it was a fail as well.

+1 Ironically enough, AF #15 started it's climb back up after a plateau with a couple of upgradeable books as well.

I think the mask looks the same. The angle is just better and the mask is more photogenic in the magazine pic. I think one of the weakest spots of the entire show right now is DD's costume. That mask looks like a cheap Hallowe'en mask sometimes.

And I could of course be completely wrong, and books like Showcase #4 and AF #15 could be pushing the Hulk #1 market up as well. But I'm just expressing my opinions and the reasoning behind them, wrong or right.

I'm not sure if this means you doubt that I don't use outlier data but I sold my last Hulk #1 CGC 6.5 in Feb for $23K to a boardie, even thought the $22K CGC 6.0 sale was already posted on GPA AND a $30K 6.5 sale happened on Clink at the same time. I didn't use the outlier price to price my own book because I believed those two books were bought to be improved. Again, GPA prices don't tell the whole story. It's a multidimensional discussion. There is eye appeal to consider, market forces (Hulk #1 didn't get hot until July onwards), and when exactly the sales were recorded. The sales venue also matters. I'm a little more doubtful of eBay BIN sales because it's become more common for people to try to 'move the market' by just manufacturing sales on eBay. CGC 6.0 prices were still being established (and climbing) from their previous average in the $9-10K range to their new average in the mid to high teens (I figured a 6.0 for an $18K book once the dust settled in 2014 but they did sell for less earlier in the summer as the book had just started to pop). Meanwhile a 5.5 sale for $15K didn't happen on GPA until January 2015. But I sold a 5.5 to a dealer who resold the book for $15K (or slightly north of that) months prior. So not really enough data on GPA prices to paint the entire picture. But assessing all the grades as a whole, including sales that I made and knew about that weren't on GPA helped me fill in where I thought the books should have been. That's why I pegged a 6.0 in the $18K range and a 5.5 in the $16K range at that point in time. I believe that the 5.5, the 6.5 (and possibly the 6.0 - we'll know if we can identify the exact book) were all outlier sales in the sense that they looked much better than the assigned grade and were very possible upgrade candidates. I know you're arguing that the 5.5 wasn't one but even though it's actually impossible to say from tiny pics, I'd lean towards a yes as my official opinion. I'm actually not too bad at this 'grading thing'. Let me ask you, if these books that we are discussing are not outlier prices, then why do similar priced copies in comparable grades sit unsold? And why does GPA have recorded sales in what I consider the appropriate price range during the same time frame that these outlier sales are happening? My answer is obvious - the books with the outlier numbers are books that look better than the assigned grade. It looks consistent if you are comparing 3 outliers to each other. I'm not disagreeing that new price points move the market. I'm disagreeing on your reasoning for why the new price points moved.

Gosh darn it, nobody seems to have any additional info on this book?

Everyone just has a range that they believe a book is currently selling for based on their own observations or theories.

I realize that. That's why I asked where the 6.0 sale was from and if anyone had a scan of it. That's not what I implied. You're taking liberty with my words. What i said was that all of the outliers that I've seen seem to be extremely strong examples for the grade and possible upgrade candidates. That's enough for me to form an opinion. So just because you personally didn't see a book come back to market that excludes them from being upgrade candidates? That's pretty logical. The reasoning behind the 9.2 pricing is entirely different than the logic for the 6.5 pricing. The 9.2 price was set by being the best available copy with only a higher 9.4 being locked up and dynamics between other comparable books. The 6.5 is comparable to surrounding grades which have a much more established track data. No, you demonstrated a $6K price jump from 5.0 - 5.5 and the example you used was an old label 5.5 that looked much better than the assigned grade. I'm pretty clear with what I'm debating. Books that are likely upgrade candidates hit the market, they set a new market top because someone likely plans on the upgrade but the GPA data doesn't take this into account and then people assume the GPA price point is a new floor for the book. It isn't complicated and it's happened time and time again. Actually, i would. I priced all of my Hulk #1's in the past year based on market averages rather than market outliers. I think through what the correct price 'should' be based on all the data available to me (not just one or two price points) and then price it accordingly.

Yup, read back a few posts. Extensively discussed.

$22K actually. Where did that Hulk #1 6.0 sell? Was it a possibly upgradeable copy? CGC 6.5 copies sold for $23 and 24.7K during that same time period in Feb and May. I think you understand my point - a new outlier is not automatically a floor for a book. It's just a data point. Yes but we have enough data points to (conceivably and reasonably) determine that these are not "outliers" as the term usually suggests only one randomly high sale. Here we have an easily identifiable trend that is observed over an extended period of time and over multiple mid-range grades. To wit, 5.0's have been selling for $13k-$14k, which would support a price point of $19.5k for a solid looking 5.5 which would easily support a price point of $22k+++ for a 6.0 (a price that is from nearly a year ago now), which would in turn support a price point of $30k for a nice presenting 6.5. -J. If by saying 'solid looking' you mean 'upgrade potential candidate' then I agree. Outlier does not usually suggest one random sale. It suggest a sale that lies outside of the normal range. And most of the Hulk #1's that I've followed that are outliers were upgrade candidates. I thought Hulk $1 was already a $3K/ point book in those mid grades, so $13-14K is not unreasonable for a 5.0. I still don't see how that makes a 5.5 a $19K book. I have no idea where you are getting your other price points from. Nearly every 'outlier' Hulk #1 sale was a book that looked to have upgrade potential. I'm all for agreeing that books that are strong in grade will fetch strong prices but I haven't seen the Hulk #1 prices that you're seeing as averages- and I've sold copies in nearly every grade up to 9.0 in the last 2 years. So where did that 6.0 copy sell for $22K? does anyone have a scan of it?

$22K actually. Where did that Hulk #1 6.0 sell? Was it a possibly upgradeable copy? CGC 6.5 copies sold for $23 and 24.7K during that same time period in Feb and May. I think you understand my point - a new outlier is not automatically a floor for a book. It's just a data point.

Improvable? Following that other recent sale of the 6.5 for $30k, just under $20k for a nice presenting 5.5 might be about right now. -J. You mean this Hulk 1 CGC 6.5 Old label Insane book and looks like an 8.0?

That is a stunning mid grade copy!

I don't know if he's actually never shipped a book but I just know he has a long, questionable history. I'd say if someone knew about the history and still bid that they were playing with fire regardless of the circumstances.

The winner has already left negative feedback claiming he never got the book. Right you are. I missed that. With such a poor seller feedback record, I never would've taken a chance to the tune of $2,200. in the first place. Yeah, I figured this seller was trouble, so I didn't bid. I believe he had previously listed the book as a BIN with a price of around $10K. Can the sellers get their money back? He had previously listed the book for $10K. How can ebay allow this guy to exist? comicnut1969 is apparently Ryan Elliott. If you guys don't know about Ryan Elliott and PGX, you should probably Google it as one of the Negative Feedback comments recommend. He's long been associated with PGX and has a long history of questionable behavior including grading his own books and encapsulating them at PGX.

Spending $20k would require thorough researching. Gpa only would be a pitfall. Sure, but not everyone plays by the same set of rules.

That book will likely appear in a higher grade holder. And therein lies the problem with using GPA. Someone is going to see this sale and think the book is now worth $20K and ask $20K for their unimprovable, chipped 5.5. Same thing happened with other books. You get one or two outlier sales and and everyone jumps on it like it's the new norm.