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Another way to look at it is that the risk takers remove the risk from the market for the benefit of those who might make an errant purchase. If it's a scam, Columbia will probably out the guy for the better of the community. Economies are all encompassing. They don't only have one side. Ying and yang. It's important to seperate personal preferences from 'right and wrong'.

This is what my copy looks like. Different publisher, same contents I guess.

From what I know, it's artwork from the 50's that was never published in the GA. Obviously someone published it in that fanzine - probably because Iger was involved. I believe it was 1st published in it's entirety in this comic called Flamingo from 1998. My copy of the comic has a different cover.

I'm pretty sure this artwork is actually a continuation of the same story in the fanzine, which was originally unpublished but then later officially published in the modern Flamingo comic.

Love Flamingo!

Dumbarse Hollywood twattery at it's finest.

The Archie reader market is huge. The Vintage market is much thinner. Having said that, it is growing in both appreciation and respect. I remember dealers laughing at me for the prices I was paying for Pep 22 about 5 years ago. Those same dealers respect the book now.

People are watching sales data much too closely. It used to be a year between updates and not months or even weeks. Or *gulp* days. This 'immature' sort of expectation that prices should rise with every available opportunity is unsustainable and unreaonable. And it often comes from people looking to earn money fast. Just take a step back and smell the roses over a 5 year period to get some perspective.

Yep- looks like it's flat. Kind of strange to me. This book has been going up in the lower grades. The buyer good it for an excellent price imho. I wouldn't say flat. It was only about 3 years ago that you could a 9.0 for $20K making the 9.2 a $40-50K book. 9.2 was a $35K book before that in 2008. That climb from 35-50-120 is quite spectacular. I think in this case it's been the rise of the 8.5 - 9.2 copies that have caused lower grades to climb. Another problem is that the other 9.2 came to marke twice in a short period of time iirc. $120K is a serious number. It's not a Marvel, remember.

Isn't that roughly what the last one sold for?

I have this in case anyone is interested.

Is that the copy I sold you? Pretty strong price.

Quick pay on a 4 figure book.

Do you have a link? I don't see it. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Incredible-Hulk-1-CGC-2-0-OFF-WHITE-Pgs/141392615672?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20131003132420%26meid%3Dc1efb5438216413984b889bb5bfebd23%26pid%3D100005%26prg%3D20131003132420%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D201164158187&rt=nc Low feedback bidder...driving the bids....guess we'll see if it actually sticks. GPA is full of good comps for Hulk 1. Last 6.0 went for $15k in august, last 5.0 went for $11,950 also august. I can see how Greg Reece and Bob Storms can exceed GPA on their sales though. People trust and respect them in their dealings. They are great salesman who do it all without in a single ounce of hucksterism. This is the one I was looking at as a comp. The Incredible Hulk #1 CGC 5.5 Off-White to White Pages Origin & 1st App of HULK Sold on eBay on 7/6 for $9,950. A 2.0 for $7k is cra cra. The problem with some GPA sales is that they are just BINS, so if someone puts a book up cheap and some lucky buyer hits the BIN, that relatively cheap sale gets recorded. Also, there is a very big difference in GPA numbers pre July and post July for Hulk #1. Mid July is when the book went nuts. And there are many recent sales that are well over established GPA numbers that are not recorded on GPA. Finally, as I mentioned in another thread, the majority of GPA's data comes from eBay, which is often a dumping ground and you might not get an accurate represention of sales prices because people are dumping books they can't sell anywhere else. And I'm not trying to pump a particular book - that's just the way it's always been. GPA is an indicator of past and very recent sales but it still takes a little thinking to get the whole picture, especially if something has changed recently and the future is moving in a different direction. Has anyone confirmed the 2.0 / $7K sale as legit? Not saying the seller did anything wrong but did the winning bidder follow through?

That alone makes all the difference in the world. I hate white LED lights but they are terrific for grading. Everything literally jumps out at you. I use my cell phone light at cons when lighting is poor. Everyone makes fun of me but at least I'm not buying a book I don't want to. When you're grading from a scan (like in the grading contest) the scan is magnified, and the scanner uses a white LED light making the defects in the scan relatively easy to spot. If you then get the book in hand and grade under a poor, luminescent, yellow light, many of the defects will actually not look as bad or disappear completely, causing the book to look better in hand. That might have been part of the problem all along, Chip.

This is actually a terrific point. Poor lighting will destroy grading skills. Happens to me at cons all the time when not all the lights are on. Books look completely different under a nice, white, bright light. Defects literally pop out under good lighting.

Well, I can't. Yeah, that's right. Cause that's what I said.

Grading notes are never all inclusive. I'm not saying the Mastro book is the 9.2 either. The defects would have to depend on how they look in hand, as to depth, size, affect on eye appeal as well as structural integrity. I've seen 9.2 books with relatively long (1/2 - 3/4") creases but they were very, very light and the rest of the book was specctacular. At this point, there's not enough data to make a conclusion but there is a small possibility.

I'll be the first to say that size doesn't matter. The reason I type out long winded posts is because I like this place and want people to understand what I'm trying to say so that there are no misunderstandings. It's certainly not because of post count. And a far as your poll comment, I didn't actually think someone would seriously start a poll about length of responses but YMMV.

He's just being sarcastic.

Marvel Mystery #4 is 03/40 and earlier than the Torch issue as well.

For my own education I had Matt "unrestore" a moderate 7.0 Daring Mystery 2. It had a fair amount of spine work done to it. After the removal it was a blue label 1.5 with no spine to speak of. I had it re-restored. that's about what I would guess would happen... I didn't mean to imply you couldnt unrestore a book, I meant I'm not sure it would make sense to get a mod/ext into a blue label, and really have anything left worth even what it was restored... outside of chemical cleaning, all resto is removable, I presume, just not sure it would make sense.... slight, I've seen done a LOT....but even in bedrock's case, it didnt make sense to unrestore a mod to blue The real point here is that if someone is inclined to do so, it depends on what was done to the book in the first place. Every book will be different. If the spine is being held together with resto, you end up with a 1.0 / 1.5 copy. If it's a large back cover piece recreated you might end up with a 2.0 or 2.5 depending on the size.

Action 13 not 10? But i do have a 10 In that case I need them both! I have a #7 and #15.

I'm going to start calling you Puck.

In case someone is reading between the lines, I didn't coach anyone. I agree with being consistent. If you are looking to build a reputation as a good grader and a reliable seller then consistency is important. (thumbs u And it's worth noting that buyers quickly recognize tight grading and eventually end up paying more for tightly graded books than loosely graded ones. Absolutely. Some of the best guarded secrets are where to buy tightly graded books from.