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You don't have to accept a no return policy. You can just walk away from that seller and ignore it. on the other hand, if you pull the trigger on a book that has no returns stated ahead of time though, then it's all on you because you agreed with those terms before pulling the trigger. The only defense would be if the "no returns" was not clearly stated in this case. Otherwise, it's just another case of people not taking accountability for their actions and wanted to have their cake and eat it too. For what it's worth though, I agree with you in keeping customers happy. So if a seller sells a book with undisclosed CT and doesn't accept returns, the buyer should take "accountability for their actions" and just eat the loss? Stating "no returns accepted" in a listing doesn't magically absolve the seller from his responsibility to ensure that the buyer gets what they paid for. I feel like we've had this discussion before. In our world resto is a big no-no, so in our culture we'd expect a return. Tape is a big no-no among some people but it's one of those things where if you really don't like it, you should remember to ask about it. Sellers do make mistakes and miss things. Out in the real world, if someone states "no returns" I'd expect that to be legally binding if the buyer bought knowing those terms ahead of time. Again, as a seller I'd offer the return to keep the customer happy but as a buyer if I bought from a seller who stated "no return" then I'd have to accept that as the final verdict. So now tape is like pressing? You have to ask? Really? Why not just be as straight forward as you can with the defects. If you miss one, and people do...offer and give a refund.? You know, sometimes I genuinely have trouble understanding the conclusions you come to based on what I write. I have no idea why that is but the only think I can think of is that you don't give me any benefit of the doubt so you see my posts differently than I had intended them to be. You took my tape comment out of the context of the discussion. I didn't imply that tape is the same as pressing. I also didn't say that tape shouldn't be disclosed. The gist of what I said was that some people don't realize tape is a big deal because we're not mind readers, so if something really bothers you it's probably best to ask about it. This is what I said just a post later, for context: So, to be clear: I personally never had a problem with tape on low grade books as a buyer because it's considered by Overstreet to be an acceptable repair on lower to mid grade books. Because I have learned that some people dislike tape greatly, I personally disclose tape every time I see it on a book I'm selling. I have done so for probably 10 years now (the entire time I've been selling comics). I didn't sell comics before 10 years ago. I do agree that if a book was misrepresented a refund should be issued even if a 'no return' clause was part of the agreement. Misrepresenting a book and differing on opinion are not the same thing. I can understand the confusion in the recent discussion though, because there is more than factor at play - it's not just about the tape. It wasn't black and white. I don't understand why anyone would NOT be diplomatic unless they were making assumptions about someone and were getting riled up about something. Am I missing something here? Did I say something that's not worth replying to with diplomacy?

Hey guys, Ed (robocard) is about as transparent and honest as you're going to get in this hobby. I'd trust him implicitly on his version of the story, although for the sake of discussion and for PL consideration I can understand why the details are needed.

Shuntfingh.

Good points the both of you. When I said "real world" I meant public auction houses (not eBay). eBay has become a special culture to itself with all the mind bending that Paypal and eBay do to disarm sellers of any rights. First off, I'm assuming that the seller is selling a legitimate product (not a reprint) and it's being described reasonably accurately. Of course a fraudulent item is a completely different bag. I didn't think I needed to clarify that, but being off by a 0.5 or a 1.0 is not enough in my opinion to warrant a return if you've agreed to the "no return" contract. There has to be a degree of interpretation allowed. Brangent, I agree with your varying degrees of tolerance. I personally don't care about tape much on my mid grade and lower books so if I hadn't joined this forum and learned how much some people dislike it I wouldn't have thought to mention it 10 years ago. That's why if a buyer has a peeve they should ask about it. If there is something small about the book that I don't like but it's a reasonably described item (not fraudulent) and I forgot to ask and purchased it under a "no returns" agreement, I say I own the item.

You don't have to accept a no return policy. You can just walk away from that seller and ignore it. on the other hand, if you pull the trigger on a book that has no returns stated ahead of time though, then it's all on you because you agreed with those terms before pulling the trigger. The only defense would be if the "no returns" was not clearly stated in this case. Otherwise, it's just another case of people not taking accountability for their actions and wanted to have their cake and eat it too. For what it's worth though, I agree with you in keeping customers happy. So if a seller sells a book with undisclosed CT and doesn't accept returns, the buyer should take "accountability for their actions" and just eat the loss? Stating "no returns accepted" in a listing doesn't magically absolve the seller from his responsibility to ensure that the buyer gets what they paid for. I feel like we've had this discussion before. In our world resto is a big no-no, so in our culture we'd expect a return. Tape is a big no-no among some people but it's one of those things where if you really don't like it, you should remember to ask about it. Sellers do make mistakes and miss things. Out in the real world, if someone states "no returns" I'd expect that to be legally binding if the buyer bought knowing those terms ahead of time. Again, as a seller I'd offer the return to keep the customer happy but as a buyer if I bought from a seller who stated "no return" then I'd have to accept that as the final verdict.

You don't have to accept a no return policy. You can just walk away from that seller and ignore it. on the other hand, if you pull the trigger on a book that has no returns stated ahead of time though, then it's all on you because you agreed with those terms before pulling the trigger. The only defense would be if the "no returns" was not clearly stated in this case. Otherwise, it's just another case of people not taking accountability for their actions and wanted to have their cake and eat it too. For what it's worth though, I agree with you in keeping customers happy.

If I personally saw a "no returns policy" that would lead me to believe that the seller wants to cover themselves in case they missed something. I would buy accordingly AND assume that if I found something they missed, I'd have to eat it. It's that simple to me. That's just me personally. I think buyer beware is in full strength here because the caveat was the "no returns". I also think conversations like this help the forum by teaching sellers to have better selling policies in their listings to eliminate grey area.

While I understand the difference, I personally wouldn't try to return a $100 book if I'd made multiple bank on a 4 figure deal. I'm not saying that's what happened here, but I'm trying to show that fair in the legal sense (an obligation to take something back because an item was misrepresented) is not necessarily fair in the bigger picture (if someone makes a killing on everything else and just returns the one item). If these guys can work through the grey area that's a good thing, but it only happens if both sides want to be equitable. Sounds like they are.

Buyer commits to a book sight unseen willingly, tape is consistent with the grade (and extremely small), buyer never mentions that his :take it: is contingent on personal tape pet peeve, you turn down 4 other buyers because buyer took them sight unseen, you also sell buyer a book under-graded by 1/2 to full point grade in the same deal....do you still take it back even though it fits the grade, buyer willingly took it without contingency, and is getting the better end of the grading on the other book? Yes. Heck, even if the tape wasn't there and the buyer still wanted to return the book, I'd take it back in a heartbeat. I agree in the abstract. What's gumming up the works is that the buyer wanted out of the deal before the check cleared. I'd like to think there's a balance here where neither buyer nor seller is taken advantage of and that is fair to both of them. All that lost opportunity to the seller on a book that fits the grade, and was included with an undergraded copy that the buyer is keeping, allows buyers to act on impulse without the slightest amount of risk and responsibility for their actions. They could thrill buy, cost a seller time, effort, and sales in the process and still retain the cream off of the deal while sticking the seller with the -end of the deal. That doesn't feel equitable. Yeah, this is the type of case where you might be caught on the wrong side of right as a seller. I heard a story once where a guy bought a ton of books from a seller and made a killing on all of them (meaning multiples of his money) except one. The one book he didn't make a killing on he returned because the seller had missed some colour touch. It wasn't even an expensive book. The buyer was emphatic: "You gotta take it back because it's restored." ignoring the fact that he'd made a killing on every other book. The seller knew the buyer made a killing on the deal because he saw the books sell but took the book back anyway. Which side did the "right" thing?

Was wondering where you was.

Yup. Sonic creates a very acute, very fast vibration and vibration = heat energy so ultimately it is thermal. They just call it sonic welding to differentiate from actual heat welding.

The process is sonic. I think it has more to do with process than product and it could be as simple as a hand print on the back side of the inner holder when the sonic weld is being made.

Quick communication, fast shipment. Top notch seller in our transaction.

Will be adding GA books from time to time in my selling thread. Currently have this book up for sale.

+1; FYI, I think that VintageComics (Roy) sold his copy but I don't know the details for updating. Great book. Yup. Sold it a few years ago. As far as I know, it's still with the same person.

I've had a few interested parties over the last few months on this book but I haven't really been itching to budge much. I've got my sites on a few things and am ready to part with this book. I'm willing to listen to any offers on this book. I won't get offended. Talk to me folks.

I thought I was the only person who took weird pics like that with a camera. Great stuff!

You're very testy for a noob. Mint is someone who gives a lot to this community of anonymous chat forum yappers. You seem to be ripping old members new holes often. Might be a tactic you want to rethink. Just sayin'

Detective Comics #91 CGC 9.0 White pages (Joker cover) for sale, among other things.

Doesn't anyone buy cases of beer anymore? It was a shopping list!

Absolutely love that book. Here's mine: And these two are also personal very favourites! It's a terrific run!

I find myself honored to be in great company...well, maybe not Roy

Not sure if this is a joke or not... If so, I agree. If not, I don't buy the "I'm to busy to do -insert thing-" argument. Everyone is too busy in one way or another. Asking every dealer to report to GPA is like some random board members asking you to take the time to turn someone into law enforcement every time you see them cross over a yellow painted strip in a parking lot. There are limitations to what is necessary and what is realistic. GPA captures the market reasonably well with all of the inputs it currently has. Would I like it to be better? I'm probably GPA's largest proponent - of course I would - but I'm also too busy (this is not a joke) to put another thing on my plate to do. When I'm not busy I like to have some "me time". Sorry if you don't think people should.

Or after running all over the country buying and selling comics, answering emails, shipping, doing book keeping and squeezing in all the other important things (like sounding cheery when they answer the phone and of course family ) they just can't be bothered to squeeze another "must do" into their day.

This'll make your day.