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Looks like it happens at the top of every page in the sales thread. It is a bit strong but I'm sure Arch will tweak it...it's a start. It should get EVERY seller's attention which is a good thing. R.

Kind of sad when adults need to be led by the hand in order to follow simple guidelines That's what jails and Texas are for.

I thought this was part of someone's post at first! (not reprinted in original size, I couldn't quote it!) Beat ya.

I forgive you. But have I been justified? That is the real question. R.

Has anyone clicked on any sales threads? They all have forum selling notices in BOLD letters under the first post.

Sharon, you balanced Libra, you. I amone of those people that pushes the bounderies and rules. I always have. I don't mean to annoy people by it. 1) I've posted a sales announcement with the intention to convert it into a for sale thread and it got deleted. 2) I've had multiple sales threads (and do now actually) 3) I've put a book up on the forums for a few days and then listed them somewhere else Guilty. For the most part though my intentions for #1 and #2 where in the forum's best intentions. My "announcement" problem is not a problem any longer now that we have a pinned thread for that. My multiple sales threads are also to divide postings to make it easier for members to find books and not wade through lots of stuff theydon't want to see. as for #3? Well it was just desparation for money at the time. Anyhow, I think we are on to a great idea here... R.

I thought you were talking about a submittal form where you would have to individually enter data for every book you want to list (and all the details, most notably price), and fulfill all the "requirements". Didn't you compare it to CGC's submittal form? What I got from Jim's post was that it would be a one page click-through where you simply acknowledge having read the guidelines before being allowed to proceed. I initially thought the submittal form idea was a good thing and thought it should be mandatory...then evolved to the "I accept use agreements form) because some thought it was too much work. In either case it needs to be a step to posting that one cannot get around and we all are in agreement with that.

At a minimum it will curtail, to an extent, the hemming and hawing against those members who do point out violations... Jim True, but it seems like a lot of work for SOMEBODY for something we may be able to fix ourselves. Is it a lot of work to come up with a form like this? I'd think it's more work for Arch to answer emails of forumites person_without_enough_empathying and complaining and then reading an entire thread to figure out what is wrong and then handing out strikes afterwards because we are arguing about it for 2 weeks after the fact.

At a minimum it will curtail, to an extent, the hemming and hawing against those members who do point out violations... Jim ...AND THIS will prevent the threads from staying at the top of the forum. Sal, I still think that the digi-form will make things MORE black and white and less grey therefore making it easier for the mods to deleted a thread. And anything that helps us agree on here is a good thing. How many arguements have we had over whether a selling thread was worth moderating or not? Lots. R.

Exactly...set-up a clickable page thru for selling comics and the apologists have no basis to talk... Jim That's a good idea too ...a one page "hoop" you have to jump through before starting a new thread! That's what I was walking about ALL along. What did you think I was talking about? R.

How? I've seen threads that have gone on for days before a Mod takes action, and a recent one where I got so ticked I hit the "Notify Mods" button, only to be told it had already been done. I think that one of the reasons this new idea would be beneficial is not only to help our threads be more fun and less messy but also make the mods job easier. All a forumite has to do is make a post saying "mod notified" and then everyone knows a) the guy did not conform b) Mod is notified and then BOOM He's gone. R.

Exactly...set-up a clickable page thru for selling comics and the apologists have no basis to talk... Jim And that is my idea. They have to acknowledge the rules pro actively rather than read them passively and then boom...they're gone if they don't conform. R.

another thing that bugs me is posting a hosted scan without a description. many of us spend time on here while using other networks (whether at work, on lunch...whatever) and those networks do not allow hosted pics. A description of what you are selling should be mandatory no matter how nice the scan. A little blue square with a $900 beside it is almost meaningless. R.

Not really, more like a revision in the board code that verifies that a new seller has clicked on the thread and read it (a check-box of some sort). EXACTLY. you should not be able to sell unless all fields are filled in. Those fields are then visible in the selling thread (ie. can't be bs'd). Any person that posts a selling thread without all fields filled in get's pulled. No questions asked. That should be draconian enough for even the most hardcore forumites and user friendly enough for everyone. R. As in title, issue #, grade, price? Hmmm, I'm not sure a "form" for posting books for sale is a good idea, in fact, it's probably a really bad idea. I don't think this needs to be any more complicated than a one-time check-box a newbie clicks to acknowledge they have read the guidelines and have been informed that "...Threads may be removed for failure to comply, and repeated issues could result in strikes. And that's just if we're in a good mood. ;)" Ignorance is no excuse, but if you checked the box, a newbie couldn't even claim ignorance! I think this is the most important point. Acknowledgement of the terms or dismissal. It makes it real easy to police a thread, no repeat posts about the guide lines etc.I do think a mention of the garding forum is a great idea. That wayeven if newbs can't grade they can't plead ignorance as most of the forum can give a consensus on grade. Think of the problems we have in the selling forum: 1) grade 2) outside links 3) prices 4) credentials and references 5) location 6) flame wars 7) neg comments in threads 8) scans 9) payment methods 10) notifiying mods all these things can be policed to a very hi degree with a single click of a mouse button. "I Agree" that's it. I like it. R.

Not really, more like a revision in the board code that verifies that a new seller has clicked on the thread and read it (a check-box of some sort). EXACTLY. you should not be able to sell unless all fields are filled in. Those fields are then visible in the selling thread (ie. can't be bs'd). Any person that posts a selling thread without all fields filled in get's pulled. No questions asked. That should be draconian enough for even the most hardcore forumites and user friendly enough for everyone. R. As in title, issue #, grade, price? The fields would cover the basics...payment methods, credentials, issues, grades, prices, location of time...that way you don't have 50 people always asking the same questions. Almost like filling out a CGC submission form. R.

Again. It's easier for software to set a flag to a moderator (if it is bypassed, tampered with) than for 100 people to bash a newbie, then 40 of those people pm arch, then he reads the thread, etc.

Not really, more like a revision in the board code that verifies that a new seller has clicked on the thread and read it (a check-box of some sort). EXACTLY. you should not be able to sell unless all fields are filled in. Those fields are then visible in the selling thread (ie. can't be bs'd). Any person that posts a selling thread without all fields filled in get's pulled. No questions asked. That should be draconian enough for even the most hardcore forumites and user friendly enough for everyone. R.

yes, because on the internet time is money and most people do not have the "time" to read everything thoroughly. We are an "on demand" society now and everything needs to be in your face to see it. It's really the only way. It also abosolves CGC of any responsibility to police a bad transaction. Pop up disclaimers like this are becoming more and more common place. R.

I think a pop up window (or a mandatory guidline page so it would not be blocked) before a post is made in the selling forum would be the easiest to do. It should say stuff like price, grade (with a link to the grading forum), payment method, location, references and that would eliminate 90% of the problems. It's always easiest to make software do what 100 people would normally do. Wonder if Arch is reading this yet. How hard would it be to implement something like this? R.

You know, i find it astounding that so few people on these forums actually know how to read. In my "Why this place is great" thread I clearly asked everybody to add their collective years to the running total. I was amazed at how few people actually did it. In my Attending Chicago thread I asked people to cut and paste themselves to the list. I was amazed at how few people did it. With these sellers, a lot of these guys have been here for years as lurkers so they must have see other newbies get bashed. MUST have. And yet they do it too. Now I am guilty of wading a little too far into a grey area jsut as much as the next guy, but seriously folks...we are conversing in the written medium...how hard is it to read and write? I feel everyone's frustration. So far the only solution is to let the forum police jump on them. Don't know if this is possible but how hard would it be for Arch to insitute some sort of software whereby people can't sell without a certain amount of time/posts here? Or maybe a window pops up before any post can be made in the WTB or WTS forums giving simple instructions. R.

Hi Folks. I've just finished listing a bunch of SA and I'm just starting to list some GA, then it'll be SA and then a bit more GA later tonite or this week.

I hope to get another batch of raw comics for sale. A big mix again of GA/SA in lo and hi grades. Mostly superhero stuff with a few esoteric issues. All books will be raw. There is a lot of early Marvel SA in low to mid grades for those that like that sort of thing as well as some mid/hi grade GA books. Also, if you have any interest in my previous two sales thread feel free to contact me. Thanks! R.

Although I`m not a big fan of trashing peoples` sales threads, if the problem has gotten out of hand, then perhaps it`s time for a few members whose raw grading is generally respected to start making a few posts in the more egregious threads pointing out that the grade and the scan clearly don`t match. Or alternatively, to list them in this Discussion thread, so people will know which threads and sellers to avoid. If we`re not brutally honest about this stuff and not willing to out people when justified, then as you say this place will just turn into ebay lite. Or direct them to the grading forum to get a forum consensus on grades. R. Not an easy task without triggering some kind of flamewar.... I agree...People get ticked off when you politely mention that they cannot have books listed in 2 places, or that they can't sell PBX Y or Q books...it would be a tough task.... True. Maybe a pm would work better. Or a well worded politically correct post directing them to the grading forum.

Yeah, but you'd have 100% sell through. I've only sold 1 book. The least expensive of the bunch. Get in there you tire kicker. Watching the game instead I don't have a TV. I sold it so I could make it to Chicago to kick your azz.

Although I`m not a big fan of trashing peoples` sales threads, if the problem has gotten out of hand, then perhaps it`s time for a few members whose raw grading is generally respected to start making a few posts in the more egregious threads pointing out that the grade and the scan clearly don`t match. Or alternatively, to list them in this Discussion thread, so people will know which threads and sellers to avoid. If we`re not brutally honest about this stuff and not willing to out people when justified, then as you say this place will just turn into ebay lite. Or direct them to the grading forum to get a forum consensus on grades. R.