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Across the board, I dispute that statement. You bring up some rare GA books as hitting GPA levels, while discounting the vast majority of HG sales that do not. I buy BA all the time, and I'd have to be on a serious drug binge to even contemplate *always* paying the same raw NM to NM/M price as GPA, and even more so if the dealer was actively promoting GPA pricing at his booth. I guess the difference here is that we are talking about what SHOULD be the norm on the forum as opposed to what happens in the real world. I see where youare coming from 100%. Again, if you no like, just walk on by.... R.

I think some of you guys are treating a CGC 9.4 as a differrent animal than a properly graded raw 9.4. They are not. They will both fetch VERY similar $$. Remember we are not dealing with 7.0 bronze books here. We are talking about a spectrum of the market that most collectors avoid. Rare, hi grade etc. Spend some time asking prices and grades on raw hi grade big books books from guys like Harley Yee next time he's in town. You will quickly find a direct correlation between their raw prices and GPA prices. GPA prices may only record CGC sales but that is because CGC is a trusted grading authority. If there were another trusted grading company that came along I'd bet GPA would start recording those sales too. Then what would you say? GPA has likely just chosen to track CGC sales probably because few people will dispute the CGC grade so there is less ambiguity. That does not mean that GPA is only relevant on CGC books. The fact is that there are many people who grade well, and some even more strict than CGC and those people can, do cite GPA values and get top (ie. GPA ) doller for their books. R.

Gotta go with you here. Providing the buyer has enough details to make an informed decision and wants the book badly enough, it doesn't really matter where the price comes from does it? And isn't an informed decision supposed to be beneficial to the seller AND the buyer? that is my point. Thank you. R.

John most of the time the "now raw, previously slabbed book" is sold with a slight discount to take into account grading costs. Again, the final price will only be accurate if the seller is an accurate grader. It's just a guide people.....one of many. GPa is not always accurate either. I have had dealers buy books from me at GPA or higher because they can get even more money. All power to them. R.

Who cares? The vast majority of other CGC forum sales get no where near GPA totals. Does that automatically make my point valid? We're not talking about what a book sells for, but the ACT of using GPA data to PROMOTE your raw comic sales threads. Podboy didn't do this, so why are you dragging him into this? TO SHOW THAT GPA PRICES ARE RELEVANT WHETHER THE BOOK IS SLABBED OR NOT! Let's say there are two ways to cite value of a book that is outside the scope of OSPG: 1) Acc. to GPA a 9.4 sells for $150 or 2) other 9.4 copies have sold for $150 would there be a difference? Is the first example rendered invalid because GPA was cited as opposed to some obscure/mystic/fake sales data which carries more weight? C'mon JC....it's just a guide. And an accurate one at that. R.

Mine was the 9.4?

OK Mr. Sensationalism here we go. With literally 1000's of people watching and 100's of people bidding it must stand to reason that at least a few people bid Zilla's books up because they thought they were worth the $$. Why?? Because they know that an ASM in the #60's will fetch $300+ whether slabbed or raw in 9.4 or greater. How do they know? Because there are companys like GPA track this. Now granted OSPG only tracks to 9.2 so usually 2 X guide is adequate but where do we go for more info to confirm this belief? ahhh...there it is. GPA. Trying to discredit the bidders does not negate the fact that GPA is an accurate guide for hi grade books where OSPG fails to track them. What is difficult to grasp is how you accuse people of putting words in your mouth but then do it to others. GPA data is only valid for CGC copies but if you are buying a book that you know will grade similar to a CGC copy (hence the comment I made about trusting a seller's grading) then why is it wrong to use GPA as a guide. Some sellers will not CGC out of principle. Does that mean because he is asking 2 times guide (but still a steal if the book is worth 3-4 times guide acc. to GPA) should you pass on the book? Probably not.... JC, besides putting words into people's mouths you must be some stubborn, hard edged azzed birth sign like an Ares where there is absolutely no grey area. You are so black and white that you miss the point. I did not say that Podboy quoted GPA, but his raw books sold at or near GPA prices. I know because I bought one and almost two. So GPA in this case is a valid GUIDE for selling raw books. In his case 1.5 X guide for low/mid grade Timelys was a good price. You would never know this reading OSPG. I only said GPA was a guide for guaging fair market value. What you decide to pay is up to you. I think for a hi grade Spiderman collector Mike's books where priced more than fair. The proof is in the fact that he sold pretty much every book in his thread.

Was that my Swamp Thing #3?

So true....depending on scarcity in grade and the general state of the market,GPA high can just be another point on an upward trend.GOD BLESS... -jimbo(a friend of jesus) (thumbs u Hey I agree too, but like i said it is just a guide as OSPG is. It provides valuable info that sometimes OSPG does not take into account. R.

BTW, you can't assume a book is CGC graded unless the seller says so...if you do that is not his fault. R.

100% agreed, as not only is GPA totally useless for raw books, it can cause confusion from buyers who may believe they're getting CGC books. I see GPA and automatically think CGC. You guys are being a little extreme (as usual). GPA is a record of CGC sales yes, but that is because CGC grading is trusted. If you buy raw books from a trusted seller/grader then GPA is a great indicator of what a book will fetch whether raw or slabbed. Look at Zilla4 auctions or check out prices of some of the hi end dealers etc. They will ALL reflect prices in the GPA range. So even though GPA is technically a guide for CGC books it is more accurate than than the overstreet most of the time when dealing with hi grade books that are desireable. Another great example is Podboy's recent Timely sales thread. He is getting multiples of guide for mid grade raw GA books. Go figure...they are at GPA prices. Sorry but I think you guys are off base on this one. GPA is just as important a guide if not more so than OSPG. R.

I think the table of contents idea is a great one! R.

This thread belongs in general but it'll get moved so I'll answer it. If it was $19,000 maybe a strong but polite would be acceptable as he may have had a typo, or is trying to use a loop hole in the guidlines to field offers. But $1900? Seller is free to ask what he/she wants and it is a super hot book. That's the way I see it. R

Wow. Andy those are incredible. R.

Very cool pic indeed! Don't know if you guys have checked this out yet, but if you visit the Library Of Congress website and do a search for comics you get all kinds of cool stuff...they own a lot of Original Art (I saw the cover to Action #62) but they also archive old pictures and I saw a few pics of kids reading GA comics. Might be worth checking out. http://www.loc.gov/index.html

THANKS. :applause: That means a lot coming from you. Your collection is simply amazing!!!! I love looking at your posts. I am just starting to collect pulps I only have 5 so far. I basicly collect silver and newer. Quit following me from forum to forum.

Were these WF books heavily read as kids saw them on the newstands? Is that one reason why there are tough in hi grade? I think there are two factors involved in their collectibility but wanted to know the answer to the first before I got into the second. R.

I know. Off to bed gang. Nighty. R.

Indeed, these books have LOST value in the OS over the last two years. I never could understand why on both those two books and also the World's Finest run. They were always great reads, sported art that was contemporary at the time, had good covers. Any one have any idea's why these titles are dead? Is it similar to why Adventure Comics have come to a stand still? I know that GA and keys still move but for a SA book that was white hot it stopped dead in it's tracks some time in the 80's. Any similarity between the slow down in these two? R.

You need to look at that issue again. Nothing I've seen here is in the same ballpark. Wait till I post pics of the Chicago dinner. What happens in Chicago...stays in Chicago. Only for those who make it there and back.

You need to look at that issue again. Nothing I've seen here is in the same ballpark. Wait till I post pics of the Chicago dinner.

My point is proven. Later, R.

Only on weekends now. Lots and lots on weekends though. See ya in Chicago... Oh yeah, baby!!

Buckwheat (sorry I don't know your real name), The reason we get strong feelings about this place is because we want it to be safe and fair. Especially when we are dealing with very expensive books. Now I happen to be excited about my new experience collecting GA. VERY EXCITED. So if you don't like my...what...6 or 7 posts out of over 7800 stating that I've switched to GA well learn how to use that left hand of yours (no not the hairy one that's making you blind, the other one) and using your keyboard put me on ignore. And I didn't think of my self as anything "big time". That's my girlfriend's job. I have no problem with a grading or pricing issue on a low grade reader for $10 or $20. When it comes to a problem on an expensive book I think most people want their bases covered. Wouldn't you? That's all the discussion has been about around here. Sheeit. Now I have to admit that your GA comment was funny. I laughed my azz off. But you are still a twinky because if someone where to look at your posts all they would see is some passive aggressive guy throwing in unnecessary inflammatory comments for no other reason than to get a reaction from people and keep a thread going. Like I said...funny...but the sun shines on even a dog's arse some days. (thumbs u