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Finally! Jaydog says something TRUE! RMA, can I ask your opinion on a completely unrelated, off-topic question?

Exactly. If each book was offered for "$500 less than market value," the Cerebus would go for more money. Because, in 9.2 and up, it's worth more (grade for grade) than IH 181. The market value has been established. The current CGC 9.2 value for Cerebus 1 might be theoretical due to lack of recent GPA-verified data, but Overstreet's not wrong to state that Cerebus 1 in 9.2 is worth more than IH 181 in 9.2. That's what it's Top 10 Bronze List means; that's the parameters of the "value" discussion. And on that score, it's the Cerebus. Every time. 9.2 is a statistical dead heat. Cerebus #1 has commanded sales greater than the 181's 90 DMA (day moving average), but 181 has had a recent sale in 9.2 higher than Cerebus #1 has in any grade south of 9.4. It would probably come down to venue. 181 might win a battle of the 9.2's on ebay, Cerebus #1 may win on Link, HA or Metro. You have no way of making these claims. There is simply no way to know. There is only a single sale, from 9 years ago. The 9.4 sales, both SS and the single Universal (a clue!), suggest that a 9.2 would sell for more than the 2005 sale, but it's only a suggestion. The highest sale price among all recorded data points for a 181 9.2 took place this month on ebay. That is not a claim, it's a fact. I wonder what a 9.4 would have gone for? You have misunderstood. I wasn't disputing the sale of the Hulk #181 in 9.2. It cannot be disputed. I am disputing the comparison of the single 9.2 sale of Cerebus #1 from 9 years ago to the AVERAGE value of a Hulk #181 9.2 as essentially unknowable. It sounds like we agree. That's why I called the 9.2's a dead heat. The Cerebus #1 9.2 is the wild card. Not enough data. Since that is the case Id have to side with OPG, but Hulk 181 has stronger recent data, and is without question the bigger book. It's making a pretty good argument. We should probably just revisit this once a copy of the #1 turns over.

Exactly. If each book was offered for "$500 less than market value," the Cerebus would go for more money. Because, in 9.2 and up, it's worth more (grade for grade) than IH 181. The market value has been established. The current CGC 9.2 value for Cerebus 1 might be theoretical due to lack of recent GPA-verified data, but Overstreet's not wrong to state that Cerebus 1 in 9.2 is worth more than IH 181 in 9.2. That's what it's Top 10 Bronze List means; that's the parameters of the "value" discussion. And on that score, it's the Cerebus. Every time. 9.2 is a statistical dead heat. Cerebus #1 has commanded sales greater than the 181's 90 DMA (day moving average), but 181 has had a recent sale in 9.2 higher than Cerebus #1 has in any grade south of 9.4. It would probably come down to venue. 181 might win a battle of the 9.2's on ebay, Cerebus #1 may win on Link, HA or Metro. You have no way of making these claims. There is simply no way to know. There is only a single sale, from 9 years ago. The 9.4 sales, both SS and the single Universal (a clue!), suggest that a 9.2 would sell for more than the 2005 sale, but it's only a suggestion. The highest sale price among all recorded data points for a 181 9.2 took place this month on ebay. That is not a claim, it's a fact. I wonder what a 9.4 would have gone for? As for the MP #7 destroying the Danielle Steele novel, anyone with $10.95 can witness the 90 DMA crushing the last 9.2 sale, which happened to be a pedigree. All there on gpa. Once again, not claims.......facts.

Exactly. If each book was offered for "$500 less than market value," the Cerebus would go for more money. Because, in 9.2 and up, it's worth more (grade for grade) than IH 181. The market value has been established. The current CGC 9.2 value for Cerebus 1 might be theoretical due to lack of recent GPA-verified data, but Overstreet's not wrong to state that Cerebus 1 in 9.2 is worth more than IH 181 in 9.2. That's what it's Top 10 Bronze List means; that's the parameters of the "value" discussion. And on that score, it's the Cerebus. Every time. 9.2 is a statistical dead heat. Cerebus #1 has commanded sales greater than the 181's 90 DMA (day moving average), but 181 has had a recent sale in 9.2 higher than Cerebus #1 has in any grade south of 9.4. It would probably come down to venue. 181 might win a battle of the 9.2's on ebay, Cerebus #1 may win on Link, HA or Metro. Unless they show up in 9.2 and identical pq somewhere, we are probably beating a dead horse. Even OPG has flip flopped on this over the last 13 months. It is that close. Next year OPG may move 181 ahead once again, and I have little doubt Marvel Preview 7 will knock out the DC 100 Page 5 once and for all.

I agree. I bought a decent BA collection this week and the Firestorm #1 was missing a page Still makes a great bonus book. And, yes, prices moving higher every week.

I vaguely remember it being pretty good.

That's a decent point, jaydog. We are relying a bit heavily on "shadow" data here. I'm not saying there isn't data, but it's not like we've had a testamonial from someone who has sold one lately. You'd have thought this thread would catch someone's eye. Anyhoo, not to change the subject, but once again, I feel both of these would outperform a GL 76, the #2 book on the list I believe, if sold in the same auction, in the same grade, with similar pq.

No, this is definitely from the early 90's, with much more advanced graphics. Alright, alright. Hang in there, buddy. We can get to the bottom of this. I guess we can rule out ghouls and ghosts, the sequel to Ghosts and Goblins as well, right? Was it Cauldron?

No, this is definitely from the early 90's, with much more advanced graphics. Alright, alright. Hang in there, buddy. We can get to the bottom of this. I guess we can rule out ghouls and ghosts, the sequel to Ghosts and Goblins as well, right?

Omni Play Horse Racing was actually really good as well for the C64.

I was just scrolling through a list of old games. Karateka and a defenders of the Crown were life changing. I forgot about those.

Dark Castle?

Smurfs, surprisingly, was really good on that Colecovision. I've tried to cut gaming off, but by now its embedded into my routine. A few nights a week I have to play after the family goes to bed for an hour or two. The newer systems have made great strides. If you happen upon a nice collection, or get a gift grade beyond your wildest dreams you might want to attempt a gaming rediscovery.

Wolfenstein was ALMOST before MY time, and I have you beat by 3 years. Bard's Tale is from 1985. Doom is from 1993. That's quite a stretch, in computer programming years. I just looked it up...Castle Wolfenstein was released in 1981...so, you would have been 6. Kinda young for computer games...? Right, that's why I played Doom. Bards Tale 2 & 3 were the ones my buddy and I played on his Commodore Amiga, so thats probably closer to 87-88. One summer we had the guide book for Bards Tale 2 and still couldn't win the game. It was embarrassing. Civilization was a helluva game back in the day. I believe that was 1994. All classics. I played Zorks 1, 2 and 3 on the Commodore 64, that was the "family computer." We also played Track & Field ENDLESSLY. I always played for West Germany. "Deutschland uber allllllessssss..." (I wonder how many people still know there was a West and East Germany...?) And yes, it really was for the whole family. My parents paid like $1,000 for it. There's more computing power that goes INTO THIS POST than the entire Commodore 64 had. I played a little Zork. I liked it, but I seem to remember getting stuck and not being able to figure out what command to use. I threw in the towel after that. My first system was the classic 2600. Joust, Pitfall, Missle Command were family favs. We upgraded to the Intellivision, which aside from AD & D was miserable. After that was the C64 and an Ultima bender, which didn't end well either. After that came the Doom and Bards Tales AKA the Golden Years. Once I got to college my roommates and I were playing MarioKart and WCW/NWO competitively for stacked bongtokes on the N64. After graduation I had a fling with the Dreamcast before moving onto the 360 and now the XBox 1. The Marvel Lego Super Heroes alone is worth the cost of admission. Spoiler-Phoenix is the most powerful character IMO. I've also dabbled in a little IPad Magic. The 2015 is a big upgrade if you are into that.

Not much of a gamer, Sir?

Wolfenstein was ALMOST before MY time, and I have you beat by 3 years. Bard's Tale is from 1985. Doom is from 1993. That's quite a stretch, in computer programming years. I just looked it up...Castle Wolfenstein was released in 1981...so, you would have been 6. Kinda young for computer games...? Right, that's why I played Doom. Bards Tale 2 & 3 were the ones my buddy and I played on his Commodore Amiga, so thats probably closer to 87-88. One summer we had the guide book for Bards Tale 2 and still couldn't win the game. It was embarrassing. Civilization was a helluva game back in the day. I believe that was 1994. All classics.

Yep, he was a whack job. Kind of a right place, right time scenario as far as his ascension to power. Somebody firing up the locals at biergartens would never make it past state rep in the days of CNN. I think the Germanic people as a whole were on tilt from the entire hyperinflationary fiasco. Their leaders had failed them so often, they went with the guy who spoke with the most conviction. Yep, I watch a lot of Smithsonian.

When you take a nap at the underground hq it takes you back to the original game in the Xbox1 version. I was raised on Doom an Bards Tale, RMA. I am 39. The Vegas over/under on Jaydog is 16.5.

I think RMA is reading that Hitler biography again, trying to figure out how to finish off JayDog. I'm anticipating a scathing, 3000 word essay, a briefer version of Mein Kampf, but instead of Germany he will discuss the struggles of Cerebus #1 to gain any respect in grades below 9.2. Speaking of Hitler, I'm about to boot up Wolfenstein on the XBox One. 3 words. Un ducking believable.

It's been ice cold forever. I'm using the contrarian approach.

Originally I planned on hoarding GL 87's, but I think at least 20 other people have the same idea. Had to go with plan B.

It proves that a 9.2 with poor pq for grade can still command significant interest when priced 25% above the 90 DMA

$200 is 15% below the 90 DMA anyways. Like I said a dozen or so posts ago, not much downside.

For $200, Ill take my chances. No guts no glory. If it doesn't work out I know where to find you