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Brother J
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Hi everyone,
I picked up a small batch of Print Mint comics yesterday and am loving them. I have spent part of the morning trying to find a good online resource listing everything published during the Underground Comix era. I'd like to learn more, but don't know where to start. Can anyone point me in the right direction?
This website >> http://comixjoint.com/underground.html (click on letters at top)
And this one >>> http://www.ugcomix.info/guide/
I also understand that there was quite a bit of stuff published in the UK and a small batch of comix were published here in Canada.This is tougher. The 2010 supplement to the 2006 Fogel's Underground Comix Guide provided about the best listings of British / UK material. I do not know about Canada beyond Vancouver area (e.g. Rand Holmes, Fog City Comix, or the feminist Pig Roast)
Here is the book, tho I think you should hold out for a better price on eBay or something
ALSO... the book Comix: The Underground Revolution has a decidedly UK flair: https://www.amazon.com/Comix-Underground-Revolution-Dez-Skinn/dp/1560255722/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1472173197&sr=8-1&keywords=underground+comix
FB page for British UG:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/248876381791298/
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Nice Harold Hedd, hard to get #1 in high grade because of the size. Most of the copies that I've seen were folded at some point.
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Saw a trailer today for the new Obama movie. There's a scene of them in a gallery. The art of people dancing, on the wall looks like Guy Colwell. Anyone else see it and recognize the art also?
looked it up online as I watched the trailer and it looked familiar, painting is entitled "Sugar Shack" by Ernie Barnes. I recognized it from watching "Good Times" back in the day. It does look something like Colwell's work, however.
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goes to show how much I pay attention, I never realized the character on the back was supposed to be a Johnson.
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It's sad that Wizard World Chicago isn't what it used to be. I went twice in the early 2000's, and it was a good comic show. Too many shows are turning into Pop Culture shows or Cosplay shows, there was even a show here locally that had what was supposed to be a con, but they didn't even use the word "comic" in the description of the show, which was enough to tell me I had no interest in going. I talked to a dealer who set up and he said there were only two actual comic sellers at the show.
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Looks like you're missing more than just #2, there should be twenty four issues in total, the 20 issues from Steeldragon/Kitchen Sink and the four Vol. 2 issues from Fantagraphics.
Here's a list of just about everything Omaha:
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went to Serb Hall Fish Fry once when we lived there. Good food, but I think I recall it was pretty busy. Last two Milwaukee fish fries I have had were at the Final Approach by the airport. Highly recommended.
Have fun at WW Chicago!
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Hey BroJ- Forgive the lateness of my reply. I understand what you are saying... A store can under order and then pull books back for the secondary market. Or anytime the manipulation of the secondary market is egregious. I was fortunate that my LCS was well ordered in Harley & had 4 Seinkiewicz copies.
I wish it was a case of underordering, but that wasn't it. This shop sees the word "variant" on the cover, and automatically jacks up the price of that issue even when it's a 1:1 variant and they have the same number of copies of each cover.
I told another local dealer about it (the store where I ended up buying the books that were overpriced at the first store) and he thought it was crazy to do that.
Anyway, have a good time at WW Chicago. I went to a show in New Jersey this past weekend and picked up lots of great books. One seller had a bunch of the Hip Hop variants and eight copies of Outcast #1 1st print (slightly damaged) in his boxes for $1 each. All the dealers at the show had their books priced at $1 or less, so it was my kind of show!
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much nicer than my copy! I own the copy that is pictured on the ugcomix.info web site used to identify what a first printing looks like. I know it's mine because the bug chew marks match!
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Fat Freddys Cat in high grade is a very difficult series to collect. There is only 1 CGC graded copy of this book(the Haight Ashbury pedigree which went for roughly 55x guide).
I was wondering if you were aware this is the second printing of Fat Freddy's Cat #1? I only ask because it appears the rest of the books you are posting are first printings.
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I picked up both covers for Harley and for Suicide Squad and the latest Walking Dead. Had to go to two different shops as the closest shop had inflated prices on the Sienkiewicz Harley cover and the Conner Suicide Squad book. To be honest, I never really paid attention before, but this shop treats 1:1 variants like a 1:10, which makes no sense. I told them I wasn't happy about it and that they were losing out on me buying two more books because they had inflated the price on books that should be cover, but they didn't seem to care.
Stuff like this reminds me of the days of the Death of Superman, where shops were selling pre-orders on those books and then not honoring them, instead putting the books on the wall with an inflated price tag.
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I wonder if the front cover tell I have for Mr. Natural #1 1st has been published yet. Was it in the newest Fogel guide? I don't have a copy of the newest guide.
No it does not, it has a distilled version of Kennedy 1982, which is "1970, 1st, 50c, Printed by Apex Novelties on IFC, BC art is 5.5 inches wide"
Do you mean the lower left hand corner FC of a Mr. Natural #1 1st printing will ALWAYS have that triangular "scuff" of non-color?
You taught me that... right?
I admit to looking at the backcover art long and hard before popping on this book because of the new case & the fact that the FC cover scuff is slightly less pronounced in this copy / image.
It gave me just a shade of doubt for a minute.
Yeah, that's the one. I used that to pick up several cheap copies of Mr. Natural #1 1st off eBay. I love finding front cover tells. I still think my tell for a first printing of Bijou Funnies #1 is right on, even though others poo-pooed it as "sloppy press work". I have yet to see a first printing that didn't have the darker red on the front cover, most easily seen in the nose of Nard.
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I wonder if the front cover tell I have for Mr. Natural #1 1st has been published yet. Was it in the newest Fogel guide? I don't have a copy of the newest guide.
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Can't confirm it, because all of our old posts disappeared, but I'm pretty sure we discussed Faerie Star #2 on the old board. I had bought copies of Faerie Star #1 off eBay from someone associated with creating the book (might have been the publisher) and I believe he told me for a fact that #2 was never made.
Again, can't confirm any of this, because all that valuable information was lost...
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I still think the white box Big #1 not being the first printing is kind of weird, it sounds like something that would have been wrong with the first printing that was later corrected. My question is how did it go from red, to white, then back to red? Maybe it's a dumb question, but I'm curious as to how it may have happened.
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I noticed in Zap #16 Crumb and Kominsky take some pretty pointed shots at Trina Robbins on two fronts. The first was Crumb being called a misogynist and the second was more subtle but seemed to argue that Kominsky was more important to feminist undergrounds than Robbins. I don't agree with this, at all.
They continued this tone of Kominsky being on the same level as Crumb throughout the documentary Sex in Comix. No one is denying Crumb's importance, but it appears they're trying to place Kominsky in a role that she simply doesn't deserve. She seems more rabid about it than he does, but he's definitely using his position within the community to elevate her.
I just can't put Kominsky on the same page as Trina, Lee Mars, Roberta Gregory, Sharon Rudahl, Mary Fleener, and Diane Noomin.
Agree 100%. Even though I personally dislike her (just based on interviews I have seen), I don't think there should be much dispute that Trina Robbins is the most important female figure in underground comix. I don't find much enjoyable about Kominsky's work and feel that she has mainly ruined many of Crumb's recent works because everything has to be a Kominsky/Crumb team-up.
As far as Crumb being a misogynist, I guess one could see that in his work, Ms. Robbins is basing her opinion on things in Crumb's work (as seen in the interviews she did for the Crumb movie). I personally don't feel Crumb hates women. To me, Crumb is expressing the inner "pervert" present in a great deal of men. When I think of Crumb, I think of a guy who was basically an introverted nerd, who lusted after women and didn't have the opportunity to act on his urges, because the women he most wanted were not interested in him. He released some of his fantasies through his art and found that it appealed to the larger public, bringing him fame, wealth and finally, the opportunity to attain some of the ladies he had fantasized about. Probably any hatred he may have towards women (if there is any), may be based on the fact that most of the women Crumb desired had no interest in him until he became famous.
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OlMilwaukee6er made me promise to write a bit about my visit to Milwaukee and our comic "picking" day we had one week ago today, so here goes.
My wife was going to spend her day with a friend in Milwaukee, so I decided to do the same and hang out with my comic collecting buddy in Milwaukee. OlMilwaukee and I have known each other for years from the underground comix message board over at comicspriceguide.com. (not sure if they ever got their boards back up and running) and we hung out last time I was in Milwaukee (2013). I had lived in Milwaukee from 1998 to 2007 and my wife's family is still there, so we go to visit every few years.
This time we decided to make it a "comic picking" visit in that we would go to some local shops and see what we could dig up in the back issue bins. Around 10:00 AM I left my hotel and headed out to the East side of Milwaukee. Even though I lived in Milwaukee for years, I pretty much stayed in my part of town (south side of Milwaukee and the Greenfield, Franklin, Oak Creek area), so I told OM that I wasn't sure I would be able to find him. He agreed to meet me near the East Side location of Collector's Edge Comics. I still managed to get lost once I got off the freeway, but OM stayed on the phone with me giving directions until I managed to locate him. First, we had to decide what part of the area to hit first. OM told me about an antique mall where someone he knew had a comic booth set up. This was of interest to me as I had never been there, so that was the way we headed. I then mentioned there was another comic shop in Waukesha, so we headed there first. Neptune Comics was the first shop we went to. Much like most of the shops in my area (Philly suburbs), they had little in the way of back issues, but plenty of new books. I did go through the back issues they did have, but nothing of any real interest.
We then headed to the antique mall, called Antiques and Uniques on Main. Found the comic booth and there were plenty of back issues to go through. Pulled a decent amount of books, but ended up spending less than $20, but was happy with the books selected.
We then decided to go to Milwaukee proper, so we headed to Lost Worlds of Wonder. I like Lost Worlds because they do have a selection of bargain books at different price points. The $1 books are bagged and are pretty much in order, although they do get messed up a little with people going through them. The 50 cents books are also bagged, but the order is random. Then we come to the quarter books. There are actually some decent books in the quarter section, but the biggest drawback are that the books are not bagged and they put a price sticker on the cover of each book! I really wish they would reconsider doing this, but I think they are trying to do their best to not get the three levels of bargain books confused and I guess they feel quarter books are not worthy of being bagged. Anyway, I again pulled a decent selection of books. I tried to go through their stock quickly, but I ended up going to this shop about four times while in Milwaukee so I could thoroughly go through everything.
We then headed over to the Collector's Edge West location, which in retrospect I'm glad OM talked me into doing. The West location is closing this upcoming Saturday, so at least I had a chance to go there one last time. I was never a big fan of the location as they didn't have back issues out for you to go through, but they did have a few recent back issues out which I went through. I pulled a stack of books and OM had the clerk go in the back and pull several Spawn issues he wanted. My biggest problem with the Collector's Edge stores are that they have nothing priced and use a web site to price the books at the counter. This caused me to put back most of the books I pulled as I felt the prices were too high, but I did end up buying two books.
By that time, it was getting late in the day and we still had not had anything to eat, so I suggested going to Sobelman's, which is closer to OM's side of town. OM had his better half meet us there and while we waited, we ordered drinks. I ordered the Baconado, a Bloody Mary with lots of little bacon wrapped cheese balls. I then noticed that it was almost 6 PM, so instead of ordering food, I had my drink and then called it a day as I needed to go have dinner with my better half. Said our goodbyes and ended what was a very fun day of comic "picking". Thanks, OM!
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The only one of these documentaries I have seen was Team Foxcatcher, which I found interesting. I was looking for more information on Kurt Angle's dealings with Foxcatcher, but there wasn't much, if anything from what I recall. I definitely need to see Sex in Comix, and I would also like to hear why you feel the Crumbs have rewritten underground history.
OM, sent a PM since I won't have internet access while in Wisconsin. Just mentioning it as I saw the PM was listed as "unread".
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I wasn't planning on even buying the new Civil War II series, but when I saw the hip hop variants for #1, I had to get those. Ultramagnetic MC's Critical Beatdown and Onyx's Bacdafucup are two of my favorite rap records.
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Sorry to hear about Ron from the Turning Page passing. I think I only went there once when I lived in Milwaukee when I was going to every shop in the area looking for rare Valiant stuff. He claimed to have some Valiants, but never bothered to dig them out for me, so I'm pretty sure I never bought a thing from him. It will be interesting to see what stuff this shop had, it seemed more like the home of a hoarder when I was there.
Our Milwaukee visit is just a few weeks away, we get in June 18th and will be leaving the 26th. Hoping to see you sometime while we're there.
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The Lady Speaks. . . Purging Glassware
You better get rid of those Budweiser glasses, I believe having those is a felony in Milwaukee!
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I hope someone here got this smoking deal:
Flaming Baloney for $13.49. I don't recall if this is the first Harvey Pekar work or if People's Comics is, but this is a pretty hard to find item.
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Comixpress issues of Cerebus Archive. I'm happy I bought most of them while Comixpress was still in business, but still missing the last issue.
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Yup, 1st appearance. There was a poster/ad of Tank Girl in Atomtan Magazine, but the first story of tank girl is Deadline #1
Thanks for the info, mine's even more beat up than the one in your picture, but still a neat item to have.
The Unofficial Underground Comix thread...
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I've got something similar, but it's marijuana related, as opposed to acid. It's entitled The Marijuana Consumer's and Dealer's Guide, yellow illustrated cover, but no real art inside. Also have a few issues of Marijuana Monthly. I would occasionally pick these things up when buying undergrounds, but I was never really trying to collect them.