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Just added #214 (#136 and #161 added a while back). The count thus far is now 48! mschmidt was in contact with him earlier; comicopolis apparently bought a number of them from the one of the dealers involved in the signing back in 1985. I have also had some correspondence with comicopolis and he seems legitimate but others who know him may be able to comment further. Check the links at the start of the thread for more info and pictures as a starting point. Check the certificate looks like the others, check Moore's signature and the number matches the one on the certificate. Cross check against the number here to see if it matches up. Also post the picture here so others can comment as well (I have photos of over 30 of them we can compare to).

There is a whole week of footie on ! Currently watching Peterborough V Leyton Orient League 1 Semi Leg 1 Oh yeah, the play-offs and the FA Cup final. Still three weeks though. ...then the world cup in June then pre-season and then the EPL all over again...

That's the thing that I didn't like about the first two issues. The extras are nice and all, but the actual Moore story is short. That's the whole reason I'm buying the thing. It's been a long time since I read the original books, so I don't recall if the first two issues were that short. I don't think they were. Wait till they reach the later issues, I think there are as few as 15 story pages per issue at some point after #9. The originals in Warrior were even shorter, the Eclipse Miracleman #2 collects/reprints Marvelman from Warrior #5, #6, #7 & #8. But at least there were lots of other stories to read in each Warrior, including V for Vendetta. I have an original Moore script for Warrior #8 "Blue Murder" (which will likely be a third of the story in #3 of the Marvel reprint) - the script has more pages than the comic strip Marvel Miracleman #2's main story ended with the reprint from Warrior #5 Eclipse Miracleman #2 ended with the reprint from Warrior #8 Maybe they are saving up the Moore stuff for #8 (Eclipse #8 was just fill-in stuff) and then keep the issues in line with the Eclipse editions from #9?

Only one that I have seen with a bar-code is the Wizard World exclusive, unless they are on the back cover. I don't think this would be suitable for the newsstand markets anyway with Liz baring her arse Newsstand is probably well below 5% total comic sales now (around 1978 the figure was about 95% and this has been in a steady decline ever since). It is certainly another factor in print run though: as well as excluding sales outside the US and Canada, comichron does not include newsstand in their figures either hence print runs would be 22-25% larger than their stated figures in the mid-1990's as an example (if the comic in question was available to newsstand). You might be surprised about those newsstand numbers..... Here is an interesting article that discusses newsstand distribution. Granted, it discusses the publisher with the most newsstand sell-through (Archie. Yes, Archie), but it might not be "well below 5%" for the other publishers, even with Marvel's newsstand presence being "severely diminished in 2012." http://comicsworthreading.com/2012/03/09/archie-sales-figures-for-2011/ Archie's best selling titles have a whopping 43% sell through, resulting in the vast majority of their sales being on the newsstand (as opposed to a random Archie, #650, which had a direct order of 4,829 copies for December of 2013.) Archie is still selling 15,000 copies on the newsstand. That's three TIMES the amount they sell on the direct market. And their double digests are still killing the market...nearly 100k issues sold in some instances, beating pretty much everything....all on the newsstand. The argument is moot if there's no newsstand presence for MM, but Liz' naked behind is no big deal anymore. #9 would have to be edited, and probably #15, but other than that, there's really not anything much objectionable. Lots of people throw around the dm numbers, and I suspect most people never even give a thought to newsstand numbers...that's a mistake. That is the big flaw with JJM's (comichron) numbers: they ONLY include the direct market numbers under the monopoly that is Diamond. There is a (sometimes quite substantial) newsstand presence for many books around the English speaking world. I don't think we can really trust any print run data but by considering all the distribution channels such as Diamond North America, Diamond Europe, newsstand sales plus other markets e.g. other countries and other channels such as toy shops (Western distributed to a number of non-newsstand outlets) you can at least get closer to the real figures. Sometimes there are also estimates of surviving copies, this is even more impossible - Newsstand copies are usually returnable if unsold (where they would be pulped) and then there is also an attrition rate for those left in circulation. The rare Whitman multi-pack comics are a case in point - there have been at least three different comics touted as the rarest over time - nobody real knows the print run on any of them and estimates of surviving numbers are educated guesses at best.

Only one that I have seen with a bar-code is the Wizard World exclusive, unless they are on the back cover. I don't think this would be suitable for the newsstand markets anyway with Liz baring her arse Newsstand is probably well below 5% total comic sales now (around 1978 the figure was about 95% and this has been in a steady decline ever since). It is certainly another factor in print run though: as well as excluding sales outside the US and Canada, comichron does not include newsstand in their figures either hence print runs would be 22-25% larger than their stated figures in the mid-1990's as an example (if the comic in question was available to newsstand).

Shame it's not selling so well - lets hope it doesn't get cancelled before #25 Note that comichron only covers North America (US and Canada); you need to add at least 10% to their figures to cover distribution to other English speaking countries (UK & Ireland in particular but also Australia etc.).

Hi, this was discussed back in the mid to late 40s (pages of this thread!) - one fellow MM collector has an enviable CGC 9.6 of the UK no.1 The indicia and inside front cover (as well as the yellow back cover) are also different. The 135k print run for MM no.1 is accurate, and I've no reason to disbelieve the 1-2k UK print run, particularly as Dez said Titan had to import American versions to the UK when it launched. I still have the UK version I bought as a 13 year old in August 1985 I recall it being super HOT at the time. Everyone was talking about it. By contrast, Warrior no.1s print run was only 44,000. Does anyone know what modern print runs are likely to be? i.e. the newly launched Marvel Miracleman? MarvelMiracleman ! The most popular titles can break 100,000 but this is restricted to only a handful, the odd issue can break 120,000 and, in rare cases, can hit 200,000 or, in very rare cases, 300,000. I can see Marvel Miracleman #1 being one of these rare cases and I would guess it would hit at least 200,000 but this is just a guess. Hmmm....looks like Marvel Miracleman #1 only hit around 60,000 paper copies world-wide...disappointing...less than half the original #1 by Eclipse which had a print run of around 135,000! Mind it is the digital age and maybe many digital copies were also sold (both variants: with or without knickers).

Thanks, Rich. So here is the known list of Turtlemania Special 1 Gold editions: 0/10 - cover proof 1/10 - raw 2/10 - CGC graded 9.2. seen on recalledcomics.com 3/10 - ? 4/10 - raw 5/10 - ? 6/10 - CGC graded 9.2 7/10 - ? 8/10 - CGC graded 9.4 9/10 - CGC graded 9.6 10/10 -? If you have any info on numbers 3, 5, 7, or 10, please share including pics. Thanks. Looks like 3/10 has been found now but it seems it could previously have been another sample copy (maybe the original 3/10 was damaged/destroyed back in '86)... 0/10 - cover proof (has all three covers) 1/10 - raw 2/10 - CGC graded 9.2 Certification #0011197001 ; seen on recalledcomics.com 3/10 - seemingly a converted sample copy (00) with multiple covers inc. 2 x gold seen on recalledcomics.com 4/10 - raw 5/10 - ? 6/10 - CGC graded 9.2 Certification #0198243003 7/10 - ? 8/10 - CGC graded 9.4 Certification #0175443001 9/10 - CGC graded 9.6 Certification #1042263008 10/10 -? So maybe only three to find now 5, 7 and 10.

I don't actually own one myself but I had been keeping track of them, one day I might actually buy one The original list is a merged list from myself, mschmidt and EwanUK - it seems we were all keeping track of these separately (we are all afflicted with Miracleman O.C.D.!).

Ok, I have moved the Miracleman #1 "Gold" list here to a dedicated thread (hopefully this is ok with everyone):- Miracleman #1 "Gold" club

Ok, here is the current list of known Miracleman #1 "Gold" variants (from the Miracleman thread). These were from the initial print run and were numbered out of 400 and sold at the San Diego Comic Con in 1985. Each was individually signed by Alan Moore and each came with a certificate of authenticity that included the number and, in some cases, has a comic shop noted on the certificate (some were given out by the shops as prizes at the comic con): More info here: Miracleman Gold - recalledcomics Miracleman Gold - 4ColorHeroes Key:- [ ]=comic shop/prize winner noted on certificate; blank=none The List 002 [blank] 011 Featured on front page of Comic Buyers Guide #1535 [Looks blank but small pic] 040 Previously sold by mycomicshop.com [blank] 055 CB-CS graded at 9.6 v.s, owned by Tropean (previously PGX 9.8) [blank] 057 Featured on fourcolorheroes.com [blank] 090 CGC graded at 9.4 #0759595004 [blank] 113 [blank] 116 [blank] 117 CGC graded at 9.6 #0979887001 122 Sold on ebay by comicopolis [blank] 123 CGC graded at 9.0 #0714931001 [American Comics, Daniel Gus 2/14/86] 124 Sold on ebay by comicopolis [blank] 128 Sold on ebay by comicopolis [blank]; note: for sale at same time as one below: 128 Questionable PGX copy, may not be numbered inside [blank]; mschmidt: "It's 100% a fake". 131 Sold on ebay by comicopolis [blank] 134 CGC graded at 9.8 #0198245001 originally from ebay/comicopolis raw; previously owned by woregul [blank] 136 Sold on ebay (comicopolis) circa mid May 2014 [blank] 137 Sold on ebay (sagacitynow) circa mid October 2014 [blank, James Morrison Franco 8-4-85] 139 Owned by woregul; purchased from ebay/comicopolis [blank] 141 CGC graded at 9.8 #0192301002; owned by mschmidt 155 [blank] 161 Sold on ebay (comicopolis) circa early May 2014 [sunrise Comics] 162 Owned by mschmidt, purchased from mycomicshop.com [blank] 169 Owned by kapzilla, original purchase from ebay (comicopolis) [blank] 178 Sold by comicopolis on ebay 2014-03-31 [blank] 179 [sunrise Comics] 181 CGC graded at 9.6 #1006822002 [blank] 182 CGC graded at 9.6 #1000183001 184 CGC graded at 9.8 #1006822001 [blank] 185 CGC graded at 9.8 [sunrise Comics] 187 CGC graded at 9.8 #0186693003 originally from ebay, comicopolis raw [blank] 188 Featured on 4colorheroes.com [sunrise Comics] 190 Owned by mschmidt [blank] 191 CGC graded at 9.2 #1006822003 [sunrise Comics] 214 Sold on on ebay 2014-07-10; now owned by JollyComics [blank] 215 For sale via mycomicshop.com circa July 2014 [sunrise Comics] 217 CGC graded at 9.6 #0750997011 226 CGC graded at 9.8 [blank] 242 CGC graded at 9.4 #1035897001 [sunrise Comics] 251 Sold on eBay October 3rd 2014 [sunrise Comics, the Fortune Bookie, 8-4-85 John Franco] 261 CB-CS graded at 9.4 #0001066-AA-001 [unknown] 268 [blank] 271 [blank] 298 Sold on ebay by mycomicshop.com [blank] 315 CGC graded at 9.6 #1056931007 [blank] 322 Sold on ebay by mycomicshop.com 353 For sale on ebay in the UK [sunrise Comics, Mathew A? 8/3/85] 359 CGC graded at 9.4 #0747447001 (previously owned by woregul) 360 Pictured in Overstreet [American Comics, Ray Johnson 9/30/85] 385 CGC graded at 9.4 #0214635002 [The Best of Two Worlds] 391 [Fact, Fiction & Fantasy] 394 [Fact, Fiction & Fantasy, Becky Denn 8/3/85] Total to date: 51 (>10%!) Note: Original list was merged from lists from: Neeidea, MSchmidt and EwanUK Anyone else own one? Any information appreciated.

Updated (002 was blank, 011 had the small pic and added 360 and 155) Miracleman #1 with "Gold" certificate, signed by Alan Moore and numbered (total of 400):- Key:- [ ]=comic shop noted on certificate; blank=none 002 Have pic(s) [blank] 011 Front page of Comic Buyers Guide #1535 [Looks blank but small pic] 040 mycomicshop.com - have pic(s) [blank] 055 ebay - have pic(s) [blank] 057 from fourcolorheroes.com - have pic(s) [blank] 090 CGC 9.4 #0759595004 - have pic(s) [blank] 113 Have pic(s) [blank] 116 Have pic(s) [blank] 117 CGC 9.6 #0979887001 122 ebay, comicopolis - have pic(s) [blank] 123 CGC 9.0 #0714931001 - have pic(s) [American Comics, Daniel Gus 2/14/86] 124 ebay, comicopolis - have pic(s) [blank] 128 ebay, comicopolis - have pic(s) [blank] 128 Questionable PGX copy - have pic(s) [blank] 131 ebay, comicopolis - have pic(s) [blank] 134 CGC 9.8 #0198245001 originally from ebay, comicopolis raw - have pic(s) [blank] 139 Have pic(s) [blank] 141 CGC 9.8 #0192301002 - owned by mschmidt - have pic(s) 155 Have pic(s) [blank] 162 Owned by mschmidt from mycomicshop.com - have pic(s) [blank] 169 Have pic(s) [blank] 179 Have pic(s) [sunrise Comics] 181 CGC 9.8 #1006822002 [blank] 182 CGC 9.6 #1000183001 184 CGC 9.8 #1006822001 [blank] 185 CGC 9.8 [sunrise Comics] 187 CGC 9.8 #0186693003 originally from ebay, comicopolis raw - have pic(s) [blank] 188 From fourcolorheroes.com - have pic(s) [sunrise Comics] 190 Owned by mschmidt - have pic(s) [blank] 191 CGC 9.2 #1006822003 - have pic(s) [sunrise Comics] 217 CGC 9.6 #0750997011 226 CGC 9.8 [blank] 242 CGC 9.4 #1035897001 268 Have pic(s) [blank] 271 [blank] 298 ebay / mycomicshop.com - have pic(s) [blank] 315 CGC 9.6 #1056931007 - have pic(s) [blank] 322 ebay / mycomicshop.com - have pic(s) 353 ebay, comic & card central - have pic(s) [sunrise Comics, Mathew A? 8/3/85] 359 CGC 9.4 #0747447001 / Heritage raw originally 360 Pictured in Overstreet [American Comics, Ray Johnson 9/30/85] 385 CGC 9.4 #0214635002 391 [Fact, Fiction & Fantasy] 394 Have pic(s) [Fact, Fiction & Fantasy, Becky Denn 8/3/85]

Ok I have have merged the three lists and added any more details I had on the comic shop noted on certificates. Miracleman #1 with "Gold" certificate, signed by Alan Moore and numbered (total of 400):- Key:- [ ]=comic shop noted on certificate; blank=none 002 Have pic(s) [Looks blank but small pic] 011 Front page of Comic Buyers Guide #1535 040 mycomicshop.com - have pic(s) [blank] 055 ebay - have pic(s) [blank] 057 from fourcolorheroes.com - have pic(s) [blank] 090 CGC 9.4 #0759595004 - have pic(s) [blank] 113 Have pic(s) [blank] 116 Have pic(s) [blank] 117 CGC 9.6 #0979887001 122 ebay, comicopolis - have pic(s) [blank] 123 CGC 9.0 #0714931001 - have pic(s) [American Comics] 124 ebay, comicopolis - have pic(s) [blank] 128 ebay, comicopolis [blank] & questionable PGX copy [blank]- have pic(s) of both 131 Have pic(s) [blank] 134 CGC 9.8 #0198245001 originally from ebay, comicopolis raw - have pic(s) [blank] 139 Have pic(s) [blank] 141 CGC 9.8 #0192301002 - owned by mschmidt - have pic(s) 162 Owned by mschmidt from mycomicshop.com - have pic(s) [blank] 169 Have pic(s) [blank] 179 Have pic(s) [sunrise Comics] 181 CGC 9.8 #1006822002 [blank] 182 CGC 9.6 #1000183001 184 CGC 9.8 #1006822001 [blank] 185 CGC 9.8 [sunrise Comics] 187 CGC 9.8 #0186693003 originally from ebay, comicopolis raw - have pic(s) [blank] 188 From fourcolorheroes.com - have pic(s) [sunrise Comics] 190 Owned by mschmidt - have pic(s) [blank] 191 CGC 9.2 #1006822003 - have pic(s) [sunrise Comics] 217 CGC 9.6 #0750997011 226 CGC 9.8 [blank] 242 CGC 9.4 #1035897001 268 Have pic(s) [blank] 271 [blank] 298 ebay / mycomicshop.com - have pic(s) [blank] 315 CGC 9.6 #1056931007 - have pic(s) [blank] 322 ebay / mycomicshop.com - have pic(s) 353 ebay, comic & card central - have pic(s) [sunrise Comics] 359 CGC 9.4 #0747447001 / Heritage raw originally 385 CGC 9.4 #0214635002 391 [Fact, Fiction & Fantasy] 394 Have pic(s) [Fact, Fiction & Fantasy]

I have have merged your list with mine (I have pictures of quite a few of these):- Miracleman #1 with "Gold" certificate, signed by Alan Moore and numbered (total of 400):- 002 Have pic(s) 011 Front page of Comic Buyers Guide #1535 040 mycomicshop.com - have pic(s) 055 ebay - have pic(s) 057 from fourcolorheroes.com - have pic(s) 090 CGC 9.4 #0759595004 - have pic(s) 113 Have pic(s) 116 Have pic(s) 117 CGC 9.6 #0979887001 122 ebay, comicopolis - have pic(s) 123 CGC 9.0 #0714931001 - have pic(s) 124 ebay, comicopolis - have pic(s) 128 ebay, comicopolis & questionable PGX copy - have pic(s) of both 131 Have pic(s) 134 CGC 9.8 #0198245001 originally from ebay, comicopolis raw - have pic(s) 139 Have pic(s) 141 CGC 9.8 #0192301002 - owned by mschmidt - have pic(s) 162 Owned by mschmidt from mycomicshop.com - have pic(s) 169 Have pic(s) 179 Have pic(s) 181 CGC 9.8 #1006822002 182 CGC 9.6 #1000183001 184 CGC 9.8 #1006822001 187 CGC 9.8 #0186693003 originally from ebay, comicopolis raw - have pic(s) 188 From fourcolorheroes.com - have pic(s) 190 Owned by mschmidt - have pic(s) 191 CGC 9.2 #1006822003 - have pic(s) 217 CGC 9.6 #0750997011 242 CGC 9.4 #1035897001 268 Have pic(s) 298 ebay / mycomicshop.com - have pic(s) 315 CGC 9.6 #1056931007 - have pic(s) 322 ebay / mycomicshop.com - have pic(s) 353 ebay, comic & card central - have pic(s) 359 CGC 9.4 #0747447001 / Heritage raw originally 385 CGC 9.4 #0214635002 394 Have pic(s)

Nice...any 2-D copies ? I guess not but maybe there's a 9.9 or 10.0 in there somewhere?

I would think the same. Maybe they will pad out the series to ensure they reach the magic numbers and maybe reprint Miracleman #1 3D as #8 as that does have an overall Moore narrative "Saturday Morning Pictures" (but does reprint non-Moore material around it). There is also the "Yesterday Gambit" story from Warrior #4/Summer Special so that could maybe make an appearance as well.

Hmmm something fishy here: Exhibit #1 Exhibit #2 Both #128/400, at least one must be a forgery...

Hi, this was discussed back in the mid to late 40s (pages of this thread!) - one fellow MM collector has an enviable CGC 9.6 of the UK no.1 The indicia and inside front cover (as well as the yellow back cover) are also different. The 135k print run for MM no.1 is accurate, and I've no reason to disbelieve the 1-2k UK print run, particularly as Dez said Titan had to import American versions to the UK when it launched. I still have the UK version I bought as a 13 year old in August 1985 I recall it being super HOT at the time. Everyone was talking about it. By contrast, Warrior no.1s print run was only 44,000. Does anyone know what modern print runs are likely to be? i.e. the newly launched Marvel Miracleman? MarvelMiracleman ! The most popular titles can break 100,000 but this is restricted to only a handful, the odd issue can break 120,000 and, in rare cases, can hit 200,000 or, in very rare cases, 300,000. I can see Marvel Miracleman #1 being one of these rare cases and I would guess it would hit at least 200,000 but this is just a guess.

I guess I agree the Miracleman name seems the appropriate given the Eclipse series went well beyond the Warrior reprints and established the name in the US but maybe they could do a UK pence variant and keep the Marvelman name over here It will be good to see the series completed, hopefully not a let down with 20+ years build-up! As for Garry Leach, I am pretty sure he has signed something with Marvel so there would be no issues there and Alan Davis has worked for Marvel very recently so I don't imagine there is an issue with him either (his problem, I believe, was more with Eclipse and still refuses to sign copies today. He was was apparently not that keen on it being reprinted, however, but it's happening so he must have signed up to it). At least there could be some cheap collected editions coming out of this - the original TPB's cost a fortune (hardbacks even more so).

Great info - many thanks for posting... I saw your bid on that one (I had a hunch you would bid and your feedback rating matched one of the bidders). I did have a higher bid but I also lost unfortunately (Note that, I think from what cat is saying there would be only 5-10 unsigned copies and 100 signed copies, given that the MM 2D sold out; also two unsigned copies went to MSU and maybe both are missing/stolen if MSU has only a single standard edition now).

They are reprinting everything from what I understand and Alan Moore will be known as "The Original Writer"

I wonder if Totleben will be involved with any of the new cover art for Marvel's Miracleman, maybe an alternate cover for one of the later issues? Having looked at the new cover art for the various variants of the early issues, I have to say I'm not that impressed. The John Cassaday cover is pretty dreadful, he is too muscular in Leinil Francis Yu's cover (looks more like Captain America or Thor), I'm not so sure about the Quesada or the Mike McKone or the Mike Perkins covers, the Skottie Young cover is fun but not really appropriate so I'm left with the Buckingham cover and the original Garry Leach covers. Far too many variants! Marvel Miracleman Covers

I guess it would be in keeping with the content but would look a little odd without the rest of the mother and maybe spoil the ambience of the cover scene....maybe 2.5?

Miracleman CGC 9.9's: #12 - 0936145001 - previously owned by Ewan #15 - 1127462002 - owned by masterpo #15 - Another copy not currently in a registry set. #17 - 0968851017 - owned by mschmidt Only four of them at the moment....

Here's the top set: Top MM set There are zero 9.9 #1's at the moment. The top set (above) has #17 in 9.9. The rest are 9.8 with a large number of Signature Series - Signature Series is worth 10% more in the registry so a #1 in 9.8 is 80 points and a 9.8 s/s is 88 points (say one signed by Garry Leach). Note: a 9.9 would be worth more if it existed. The most valuable comic for registry points is #15 which is worth 616 points in 9.8 s/s and 700 points in 9.9. Each of the top four or possibly five registry sets has a 9.8s/s or a 9.9 #15. With so many sets competing here, 9.8 s/s is almost the standard with a 9.9 thrown in if you can find one. As Ewan was saying this set is simply too hard to compete in.