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Print run is WAY HIGH BRO. Long enough to see this on Midtown's shelf when I travel there, once every 2 years. Very few Midtown variants have risen in value. With very very rare exceptions store variants have little speculative value.

You can invest in comic books it does work, but unlike what everyone though in the 90's (that every book was going to be magically valuable) is where people get caught. If you are buying high grade keys, they can be a good investment. Look at the explosion in value of things like Action Comics 1, AM15, etc. There is money to be made, but like most things you generally have to spend money to make money. If you are trying to flip variant covers, and speculating on what book may get hot due to a movie or TV deal you are going to get screwed

The issue is that there are so many bad issues that 9.6's and up may not even exist for this comic. Plus, it looks really bad for DC. People are buying this issue for the cover, and to collect the cover. People are not buying the polybagged version to read. So, we are taking a shoot at what version we get, plus have a greater than 50% chance that the issue out of the bag lacks appeal. I know it is a easily damaged paper product, and there is always some spoilage. With that said that vast majority of the comics should hit the stands at a 9.4 or higher. With any product, when you buy a new product it should look new. These look like . In addition, all DC's normal issues look good, and do not have the problem. Where was quality control on this? I doubt DC cares. They sold out. Return ability would be the question I would be asking. Maybe if enough retailers complain they will do something about it. I would think after Convergence they might be more friendly, but this book is so hot currently I still doubt they do anything. Maybe a retailer can shed some light. I'll bite... DC had a fabulous concept that was trashed by a poly-bagging machine. Having received a "tip" about the OA I ordered a TON. I called in all my damages to Diamond. I was refunded. As would any shop that receives unsalable comics. Unsalable = Trashed. A tiny blemish is perfectly salable. ( Not to the cult sect on the CGC boards ) That is why I said the comics must look new not perfect. When I buy at my LCS, I understand that issue may not be perfect, and will occasionally see some dings, color rubs, etc. If I am buying a special variant cover however, I hold those covers to a higher standard then something I have purchased to read.

The issue is that there are so many bad issues that 9.6's and up may not even exist for this comic. Plus, it looks really bad for DC. People are buying this issue for the cover, and to collect the cover. People are not buying the polybagged version to read. So, we are taking a shoot at what version we get, plus have a greater than 50% chance that the issue out of the bag lacks appeal. I know it is a easily damaged paper product, and there is always some spoilage. With that said that vast majority of the comics should hit the stands at a 9.4 or higher. With any product, when you buy a new product it should look new. These look like . In addition, all DC's normal issues look good, and do not have the problem. Where was quality control on this?

I passed on my LCS copies today. The spines did not feel as bad as those pictured here, but there were clearly issues when I felt the spines.

Has DC acknowledge the issue?

For me you shouldn't have!!!

I had to buy 9 copies to get 9.2's of the 3 different Harley's. There is one copy, perfect spine, and a fold on the top right from the bagging process. 9.8's for these books will be rare rare rare. Mine has the slight crease on the upper staple, and the poly bag indent down the back. Otherwise it is perfect.

Wow nothing like sending books out as 8.0. That really stinks, my variant from last week's is not perfect, but it would get a 9.4 or an outside 9.6. Any chance the sketches are more durable? I have an old sketch from DC where they basically stapled a stiff Bristol board type paper over the real cover. That second white cover is very stiff.

Any pictures of what you are seeing? I know you may not be allowed prior to release. Also any way to "see" the damage with the bag in place?

Well for the record it is a JSC Cover for Harley on a title with her name on it. not an out of continuity cross over. And this is a Harley cover, not a cover Harley just happens to be tucked in the corner on. The variant is just too common to have much value, except if there is 9.8 value with the apparent defect. I think there is significant value in the OA copied still. \ I'm happy with ten dollar bills. I know that's below most of you. So, I apologize in advance for wasting your valuable time. ( Clearly. Print runs are meaningless when involving Harley or Deadpool. Please see New Mutants 98 with close to a million copies in circulation )_ Please let the book explode. I got a fairly clean copy, likely a 9.6. It has the defect but seems less than many are reporting.

Well for the record it is a JSC Cover for Harley on a title with her name on it. not an out of continuity cross over. And this is a Harley cover, not a cover Harley just happens to be tucked in the corner on. The variant is just too common to have much value, except if there is 9.8 value with the apparent defect. I think there is significant value in the OA copied still.

Is there any reference pictures for these fiction house comics? With all the color variation I would love to know what the publisher originally intended. Plus, I love the Planet covers.

One last big though that I have not seen discussed here about why Marvel has been so successful, and what may hold BvS back. It may be the Disney influence, and just the look and presentation of the movies, but Marvel has created a new generation of fans. These movies have become family movies. I look at my own kids, their friends, I go to their school, and I see Marvel t shirts, backpacks, etc. The kids know when the next Marvel movie is coming out months in advance. They have seen the trailers, and keep up on the hype. It used to be I could see a Marvel superhero movie and leave the kids at home, if I did that now they get pissed. Based on my observations kids care way more about Marvel then DC right now. That drives families and numbers to the movies. It leads to repeat screenings and big numbers. I have not seen the kids I am exposed to daily (and I have a job where I meet lots of people), talking about DC. My kids and my friends' kids have seen the recent DC movies in much lower numbers. They have all seen every Marvel movie. If BvS wants to reach Avenger numbers they need those kids and those families, not just the people on these boards and the 20 and 30 somethings. I have yet seen anything from BvS that seems to be pulling in the kids and families. The darker tone, and gritty look is a much harder sell to that demographic. If the DC universe wants to explode they need those numbers, like it or not. That is the big reason I do not see BvS hitting Avengers numbers.

They've missed too many opportunities to let this one pass again. They have a limited amount of time to capitalize on Marvel's success and I think there is probably strong behind the scenes pressure to compete with Civil War, so they don't have the luxury of time to start from scratch. It's actually a brilliant move on DC's part. 1) They're bringing together their 3 best characters into one film which is instant fan base 2) bringing in Doomsday capitalizes on the crowd that were buying comics in the 90's - probably fandom's biggest market right now as they majority with the nostalgic attachment will be in their 30's with money to spend 3) they're riding on Marvel's coat tails and bringing an alternative on the Marvel Civil War conflict - something Marvel has already set the stage for. It's just good business. It would be bad business IMO to ignore what your main competitor is doing and start from scratch like they don't exist. As I said, they don't really have that option. And as far as future stories go, you can have spin off solo stories (both young and old Batman), Superman and WW spin offs, JLA, Justice Society - anything you want. DC had to go big or go home at this point. That's the way I see it. I agree it was what DC needed to do at this point. They are behind Marvel if you view it as a competition. I am not sure they can catch up from that perspective. What Marvel has managed to do is amazing, especially when you consider they did it with lesser know and often b or c list characters. DC should have a massive leg up with the much higher name and pulp culture status of there three main characters. That has not however translated to the big screen yet. I actual do not view this as a competition like many seem too however, good comic movies all around pull up all comic movies. The comic movie bubble will burst when the quality of the films starts to falter regardless of what studio put the movie out. DC is taking a massive risk here. By bringing out all their big guns in one film, if it fails to meet expectations they are screwed. I am not exactly sure where the bar sits right now though. If the bar is Avengers level, I do not see them making it. If the bar is a well received strong movie grossing between 800 mil to 1 bil worldwide, that is very doable.

This movie will break $1BIL. It may, but will still be well behind: Avartar, Harry Potter, Jurassic World, Star Wars the force Awakens (which is going to crush everything), Avengers, and many others. It will do well but not hit the stratosphere. Man of Steel grossed $291,045,518 domestic and $377,000,000 foreign. I see BvS doing better than that, but I predict (yes just a prediction) about 400 mil domestic, and 500 mil foreign coming in just shy of 1 bil. I don't understand your point. I was replying to SPECTRE_nWo / SOT / I need a new name every week / John-who-can't-tell-a-good-movie-from-bad-one that this movie won't be a flop. MoS made nearly $700K - so it was a success, yes? What all of those other movies have to do with this discussion I have no idea. I am viewing BvS as more a a sequel to MoS as opposed to a stand alone movie. It has the same director, and a good portion of the same cast with obvious additions. Someone posited that this movie would clear 1 bil. I countered with a box office based off MoS totals, adjusting upward because it is but at the same time is not a squeal to MoS. My post implies the movie will do very well, but I do not believe it will reach the levels that the Avenger movies have based on past DC movie performance.

This movie will break $1BIL. It may, but will still be well behind: Avartar, Harry Potter, Jurassic World, Star Wars the force Awakens (which is going to crush everything), Avengers, and many others. It will do well but not hit the stratosphere. Man of Steel grossed $291,045,518 domestic and $377,000,000 foreign. I see BvS doing better than that, but I predict (yes just a prediction) about 400 mil domestic, and 500 mil foreign coming in just shy of 1 bil.

And look at the price point for some of the Campbell spidy variants, and some of the AH stuff. That is why my gut tells me that cover could be worth big bucks.

I wounder if I ripped apart my 0.5 copy and pieced it out would it be worth more? I kid, I would never destroy a complete copy of AM 15.

where are you getting your numbers from? several thousand seems like a lot since I can get an OA sketch done and a con for about several thousand less.... That stupid Vader Down variant is getting $3000 plus, and you are going to tell me that somebody out there will not pay a stupid amount of money for a comic that will have a pedigree like this one? I really think the winner could get several thousand dollars. I have no actual numbers, just a bet. I'm not saying it wont. i'm just skeptical. Anything is possible. But, paying that much for a book that can be replicated on any blank cover for thousands less seems silly. Since when are people that spend 3000 on ugly variants logical?

The last few slabbed, complete, coverless copies have sold on eBay for 2500, 2550, and 2000. I had just the pages not attached so technically it was not a coverless copy but seperated all the pages. Not sure why the fella i got them from cut them out,. was wondering what just the individual pages (but all of them) would have gone for. prices for just pages.............. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Amazing-Fantasy-15-CGC-NG-10th-page-only-1st-Spider-Man-/281804582356?hash=item419cdcadd4:g:HZAAAOSwWnFV~cPj http://www.ebay.com/itm/AMAZING-FANTASY-15-Original-1962-Page-From-The-Historic-Issue-SPIDERMAN-/201463367079?hash=item2ee82705a7:g:1ScAAOSwAYtWPpkP

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where are you getting your numbers from? several thousand seems like a lot since I can get an OA sketch done and a con for about several thousand less.... That stupid Vader Down variant is getting $3000 plus, and you are going to tell me that somebody out there will not pay a stupid amount of money for a comic that will have a pedigree like this one? I really think the winner could get several thousand dollars. I have no actual numbers, just a bet.

Guess what!!! Slabbing has no impact on the OA books. That Campbell one is great, and also worth several thousand. The winner just hit the scratch off ticket of comic books.

And I have to admit - it would have been a cool surprise to hold back Doomsday. That 'fixed' trailer had a nice feel to it. Fixed trailer is much better. It minimizes Lex, really minimizes anyone having to act, holds back Doomsday, gives a better brief glimpse of Wonder Woman, and has much better flow to it. Really drives home the adage that sometimes less is more.