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That's kind of hard to prove is anyone's fault but their own

Well that's one thing, tbh yall started posting that we should ignore it cause it happens all the time mentality Who me worry? Type deal, which is equally absurd, but I'm glad cgc takes it a bit more serious. I agree with the spirit of the posts that it's common, this thing is a year out, and kind of soon to be looking at a 2 week 200 page thread saying, "stay completely calm there is nothing to see lol" A number of gifs come to mind, but to each their own. Why did we even bother hahaha spare me

This is why I somewhat agree, buying the book not the grade doesn't seem to fit with qualified going into universals, so I'll take solace that this is not to quote you, but more common than just a fresh wound It might even be comforting to know that this person or persons might be found out, sigh and or made an example of to discourage further tampering. I will say if it is so common then the outrage of such shouldn't be discouraged, otherwise what is the point?

I guess I can see how that is possible, but one may say "too soon for your comments to be taken but with a grain of salt" and yet, I'll just agree and say for now.

That's what I figured Hindsight is 20/20. For this new one my glasses are still getting fitted, but a bold statement confidently taken into consideration. One can hope.

I guess ewert was more than one guy, but still to have it named after him I feel a breeze scandal coming in But this is what two weeks old? And some are already calling it? One can only hope

Ewert scandal was one guy? We have yet to determine how many people were doing this "scandal"

But a "fix" that doesn't undo the millions of slabs already graded? I find it hard if not impossible to believe. A correction will occur, but fallout hasn't been determined imo

Break a leg!

when you excuse yourself to go to the bathroom (tomorrow) for 20-25 minutes be sure not to shout, "Yes! Yes! that's the one I wanted!" but I feel you, it has been tricky just to have waited until tomorrow

A solid 5.5/6.0/6.5 copy for $33 :takeit:pages are far from white, but I'm ok with that ..... I think

A solid 5.5/6.0/6.5 copy for $33 pages are far from white, but I'm ok with that ..... I think

I traded last month a copy of Invincible Iron Man #9 raw vf/nm 1st RiRi ahem for that issue raw in about the same condition. I still need to send it to CGC, after a long wait of paying bills

This and that Nintendo Entertainment System are pretty sweet! Is the NES something you'll send for grading? Or is a memento? or your childhood system? either way I like that it is apart of the collection

Correct. Which goes back to why I never doubted legal authority being involved in someway, as that is the only logical way anything to the full extent of the law will happen. The degree and what level of law enforcement will probably be left up to the, as you said, state and or local and get escalated from there. Long ways out I'm thinking 🤔

Exactly what my opinion was, that the smoking gun doesn't fall in cgc court specifically, but would prove them culpable. It could be they have more info, but if they're not victims in all circumstances, then prosecution (if any) would fall short. It's a small point but worth noting the reality

This will get lost in the shuffle, but the sellers "multiple crimes" had nothing to do with cgc and more with ebay and those customers, so I didn't see where CGC has any legal right to hang him on most of the "charges". Even if they tried, they'd only be one party that would need to work with others involved. I don't see CGC being able to bring some of the "prosecution" because most of the "crime" had nothing to do with "CGC specifically"' anyway it is why I asked, moving on

I don't think you are right at all. there are multiple crimes here, interstate commerce, use of the mails, wire fraud, theft by deception, etc, multiplied by how many times it was done. This is a huge criminal case, not a small one. The scammer defrauded customers, but also created financial liability for CGC. CGC has already announced they will make customers whole, I assume by refunding their buy price for the comics. That would likely mean the comic is bought by CGC, so they will have a way to recover some of that money by reholdering and grading them. That isn't a guarantee however, and still represents a loss to CGC. As I look at this, the scammer is 100% criminally liable for the scam. However, CGC *might* be looked at as partly responsible because their service is to certify and guarantee the authenticity of their holder's contents. However, they were defrauded also, so they might not be considered criminally liable, though they do bear civil liability because the guarantee they are paid for was no good in these cases. Therefore, it wasn't really a guarantee and one could argue the grading fees were elicited due to fraudulent representations. I don't think that is a good argument because the grading fees involved came from the scammer himself. The argument is that by allowing the scam through negligence on their part, the overall value of CGC's guarantee is reduced, thus affecting all customers. I don't disagree with what you said.... but it isn't what I said.... I don't know that cgc was defrauded if they ok'd the reholder, as far "multiple crimes you mentioned" they all happened after CGC okd the slab. They were used to defraud on ebay and buyers, but not with CGC specifically anymore. In court CGC wouldn't be able to testify to any of that is what I mean. So how can CGC bring criminal prosecution for any of it? That was what I was saying, maybe a lawsuit, but other than the grading fee's cgc is out, they weren't defrauded in too many other ways... Compared to EBAY who will pass, and the customers, that might do class action once the list of slabs cgc provides is listed, and then there is CGC who is out grading fees. I could see there is a lot of "attempt to fraud" but was looking for clarification is all

Lol Well I know when I'm the bumpkin in the room. I will have to be patient myself to not open my mouth and remove all doubt. I will say for nearly 200 pages, I see this as a thread around for a long time, and it is but a mere tip of the iceberg to how long and extensive and probably desperately needed it is at this point. After such a long time to be gotten away with, hopefully now on a road to resolve.

We'll do it. Live. NOW!!!!!!!

And answered. Indeed it takes up several avenues of jurisdiction all falling under the FBI. I just wasn't positive if cgc could represent (not knowing legal venues myself nor even terminology) other than to say, ebay will probably pass, class action from a group of victims buyers will amass when cgc publishes list of affected slabs, and then you have cgc. It only made sense that the cgc statement would be brief and to the point, as there is a scrap ton of things to consider, document properly, file, then present. This is more than a year out from ending. I just don't want to go 100 miles an hour for that long. I can only imagine the toll. Empathy or not, I'm grateful for what we have so far, a mere pittance to the added work needed for the future.