joe_collector

The chromium age

The problem with this is that it's a misnomer. Most speculator covers of the early-90's-on were actually "foil enhanced" and not "chromium", so really, Foil would be the most accurate term.

Then we could make a cartoon about stupid 90's specs looking through their collections and screaming "Foiled Again!".

I believe that as time goes on we will see more and more posts in the copper forum starting to be about mid to late 90's "modern books".

I guess we'll keep the Mods busy moving posts then.

If you have a problem, then petition CGC to create a new forum for these mysterious books you believe to be "not-Modern", because until then, Modern is where it goes.

Guys, there is a MODERN forum for all this , ya know.

Just in case no one owns a calender or understand the concept of time, Spectre 54 was released in June 1997.

My first CM was #32 and after missing CM #33, it wasn't long after that I scoured my Marvels for Canadian dealers, then mailed Robert Crestohl for his catalog.

I had Avengers 125 and thought it and CM 32 was the beginning of a major cosmic storyline, not the ending, and #34 was like a knife in the gut. The non-Starlin Alcala art in #35 was like a punch ontop of the knife.

Question: with all the talk of Civil War and New Warriors, why isn't Captain Marvel 34. first Nitro getting any heat?

 

I loved that book as a kid.

I found it depressing - I bought CM 32, missed 33, then bought 34 and it was the end of the cosmic era for me - I think the next issue was a reprint and then it CM just dropped off a cliff.

Question: with all the talk of Civil War and New Warriors, why isn't Captain Marvel 34. first Nitro getting any heat?

Because newbie specs can't read and need us to point them in the direction of their latest lemming buys?

I'm starting to think cops don't heat up anymore.

 

Mods just might be where it's at . . .

 

Bad typo in your listing. People won't be able to find it.

 

Yes, most annoying . . .

My favorite bronze age book. It is incredibly tough to find in high grade. This book will explode at some point. I sold a 7.0 for over $500 not long ago.

 

My brain just exploded.

 

I've got a greggy-castoff 9.0, an 8.0 and a pile of raw copies- probably spent $250 total.

To avoid confusion: you are still talking about Hero for Hire #1, right?

Yep.

Maybe it has something to do with the large amount of shows they have been doing that have been complete disasters.

What a crock this has been...when's the last time they put on a real comic book show?

I had a tent set up in my back yard and the next day I got a call from a Wizard representative asking about weekend rates.

That's not what he's saying. He's trying to use poorly done parts of the OPG to justify his insane POV that ads and previews are actual first appearances. Forget about brief story appearances.

 

First depiction regardless of where it's presented does not equal first appearance. Never has, never will.

Exactly, and I always imagine these poor deluded fools with a closet-full of Hulk 180's thinking.. "just a few more years and everyone will accept this as his first appearance and I'll be rich! Hahahahahaha!"

2nd appearance in cameo? With #30 being 2nd full appearance

Yep.

Again, newbie specs forget these books used to be actually READ and ENJOYED, and the reason back issues thrived is because fans would go back to find earlier stories about their favorite characters.

MTIO 29 was a story about the Thing and Shang-Chi fighting a pile of Kungfu dudes, with an ending panel showing an unconscious Spider-woman. MTIO 30 was an actual Spider-woman story from cover to cover, hence Spider-woman fans would gravitate to it rather than 29, as it offered an entire story and "full appearance" of their fave character.

P.S. This is getting silly, those MTIO books have some of the worst art in the history of mankind and should be worth the equivalent of birdcage filler.

My favorite bronze age book. It is incredibly tough to find in high grade. This book will explode at some point. I sold a 7.0 for over $500 not long ago.

My brain just exploded.

I've got a greggy-castoff 9.0, an 8.0 and a pile of raw copies- probably spent $250 total.

Nope.

 

First appearances = $$$. Second (or other early) appearances =

 

Not that I'm saying it should be that way, it just is.

 

Pretty broad statement and really depends on the value of their 1st app.

 

No, it has more to do with Overstreet and which appearances got listed and increased in price - look at Saberetooth, more people are probably looking for his 3rd-6th appearances than far more valuable/important characters.

 

Overstreet? People still look at/buy that?

Yes, they still look at it, but this has more to do with how many people looked at Overstreet through the decades and how that ingrains onto our hobby.

A lot of current books are only worth something because OS told us they were for years. Like Sabretooth's 4th appearance.

Could anyone even imagine what would happen to this book is Hobby ever appeared in a movie?

I think Wolverine's 2nd appearance is worth more than his first.

 

Probably not, although some ultra-high-grade copies of Giant-Size X-Men #1 might give Hulk 181 a good run.

You've missed the last couple of years, where the board literalists will not tolerate 181 being called 'first appearance', despite the fact it's come to be hobby shorthand for whichever book the hobby has chosen to collect as most important to a character's introduction.

No, I know exactly what kind of revisionist sportscard-history is going on here, and my reply directly targeted that.

I think Wolverine's 2nd appearance is worth more than his first.

 

Probably not, although some ultra-high-grade copies of Giant-Size X-Men #1 might give Hulk 181 a good run.

Because Wolverine definitely doesn't appear before those two books in Hulk 180, right?

Not in any relevant way, no.

Remember, these are NOT sportscards with a lone static image on them, these are multi-page comics that were originally R-E-A-D.

I think Wolverine's 2nd appearance is worth more than his first.

Probably not, although some ultra-high-grade copies of Giant-Size X-Men #1 might give Hulk 181 a good run.

Nope.

 

First appearances = $$$. Second (or other early) appearances =

 

Not that I'm saying it should be that way, it just is.

 

Pretty broad statement and really depends on the value of their 1st app.

No, it has more to do with Overstreet and which appearances got listed and increased in price - look at Saberetooth, more people are probably looking for his 3rd-6th appearances than far more valuable/important characters.

Finding a nicely centered 9.0+ copy of HFH 1 with good eye appeal can be daunting. GOD BLESS...

Words of Wisdom:

BUY GREGGY REJECTS

I cant believe Marvel Team Up103 does not do better..2nd full Taskmaster...early Lang Antman,Spidey....awesome bomic!

I pick it up just for the cover (never realized it was 2nd X or early Y) whenever I see it in the bargain bins.

...and an awesome black cover it is...... it's an Icon cover to me..... done by the quintessential Warlock artist.....

Sure, now that it's valuable it's suddenly an iconic cover, but I remember nominating it years ago in a Top Bronze Age Cover thread and it getting berated out of existence.

It's quite amusing that Oct-Nov 1972 featured Hitler covers, especially as Sgt Fury 103 has him on the cover but not the original issue - any possible reason? Was Hitler nostalgia hot in 1972?

This is a great time to be a seller, but not a reader/buyer/collector.

Then start selling, hoard your money and wait for the eventual downturn.

It can be argued that the quality of the print needs to be considered as well. Today's 3.99 comics aren't printed on flimsy news print with nearly dot matrix quality of replication.

We went over this awhile back, and after getting some expert opinions on paper/print pricing, there was no question that the insane spike in new comic prices came down to three factors:

1) Much higher pay rates for writers and artists.

2) Much lower sales per month.

3) Predominantly adult buyers who can foot the crazy monthly bill.

These prices for such an ultra-common book are absolutely insane, and I predict that not only will CGC be inundated with copies and the Census will explode, but lots of "investors" will absolutely lose their shirts and pants on this one.

I don't even collect Star Wars comics, and I have multiple #1's first-prints just from toss-in freebies over the years. I gave away all the reprints.