MAY1979

Your are technically correct! I will update my original comment when CGC replaces my 9.8 1/1's with true 9.8's of those same books, or remunerates me for the books + emotional distress. My guess is that occurs half past never.

I count only those met in person or dealt with one-on-one and that includes online sellers. I will say my dealings, especially when there were issues with the book or slab, with MCS have been 100% excellent. However that is a business entity in my mind not an individual. I do want to issue a Correction! I also feel very bad for forgetting him may he RIP, from the Mid 90s-early 2000's a small local con and via his self hosted "garage sales" I dealt a lot with a part time seller named Rino. He was honest and overtly fair. Him and his wife were truly great people. He also had one of those great voices likley aided by his chain smoking which sadly did him in (found out last year he passed away in 2014). RIP RINO and my apologies for not giving you your due. I've posted a handful of times about Rino here is a link; https://boards.cgccomics.com/search/?&q=rino&quick=1&author=may1979&search_and_or=and&sortby=relevancy

I dealt and known many comic dealers/sellers/flippers/speculators for 40 years, none of them have anywhere near that level of honesty. Wish I did know some that are, but I don't. I've heard they exist and while I'm sure that's plausible, again I've never met a single one who even borders on being honest. Thus I ask again is it being oblivious? Sheer Ignorance? Cognitive Dissonance? or some combination thereof that these eBay sellers proudly exclaim "Newly Graded" or "New Slab" as if that is a positive thing. P.S. Those involved with buying comics I've met who are honest, are limited to collectors only

You would think Sellers given their nature would not advertise the slabs are new and do whatever they can to draw attention away from that. Instead they boldly state they are newly graded.

Near 800 Slabs on eBay in which the seller smugly exclaims "Newly Graded" https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=cgc+newly+graded&_sacat=0&_odkw=ms+marvel+23+cgc+9.8&_osacat=0 ~1400 in which Seller proudly touts "New Slab" https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=cgc+"new+slab"&_sacat=0&_odkw=cgc+newly+graded&_osacat=0 Given their nature most who sell comics would obscure as much as possible they are 2024 slabs. For these sellers is it: Simply oblivious? Sheer Ignorance? Cognitive Dissonance?

Exactly. Near end of the year I think the data will paint a better picture. Dips and swings can also be attributed to delayed updates and Holidays.

Submission numbers will get lower. Blips and standard deviations aside, the bottom will never be reached and ever-heading down as more and more overall hobby attrition and shinkage continues. Then factor in the Cali folks plausibly siphoning of a noticeable chunk of business due to this continued banana bending debacle, including CGC washing their hands of it with a metaphorical flip of the bird response.

My response to the statement is best said by Flatt and Scuggs; "California's The Place I Oughta Be" Or by Robert Plant ; "I'm goin' to California with an aching in my heart"

I have it going back to 427 series which is June 2023. From 427-435 seems to be a coin flip, then a near certainty from 436+

29K. I'm shocked! That's a 2014 price. I expected no less than 40K

BTW; Love your Forum ID

My books took 8 week to get back from re-holdering and they were in worse condition than when i have sent them back. 50% had color breaking ticks and the bend remained. If my 9.8's were cracked out and re-submitted they would be 9.4's at best. I'm not alone it that as it seems to be the norm. Simply read the last 20-25 pages of this thread and you can confirm the last sentence. Reading into wait times is purely optimism.

^ GreatCaesarsGhost, GreatCaesarsGhost I do suggest you get a bit caught up on the thread and you will understand the reason for all the ire.. The Short answer is NO, we have been told "the bending is normal". Which is tantamount to CGC: 1) Telling us its normal for them to damage your books 2) Only the number of the label is important the actual condition of the book is not relevant. Which BTW is what made PGX irrelevant. 3) Pre 1975/Vintage subs appear not to suffer the bends thus rendering the "bending is normal" statement to be a logical falsehood. 4) While some of its been debunked a bit; Major 1975-Current submitters (think more than 1000 comics per month) of Modern Books appears to be affected to lesser degree than everyone else. 5) It's Newport Beach California here we come for a growing number of folks.

Same has happened to me this week + added damage on half my books during the slip-shod re-holdering. If you read the last 25 or so pages of this topic, its same/BAU for everyone else except for an outlier book or two somehow coming back flat. My guess is CGC figures the "damaging you books is normal" message from their CS will be accepted by the sheep, IMHO it's now an even money chance that the Newport Beach folks service will catch on instead!

Hi @Ninja0215, please go back page you will see I asked about @BraveDave's submissions, and then his response - I've quoted all below. Dave's subs were all PRE-1972 Silver and early Bronze submissions . The issue has been the exception with 1974 and earlier and The Rule (+remains the rule) with 1975-present. Thus there is no trend, nothing has changed! Giving up one hopes and dream are difficult, after nearly 25 years I have for CGC and have moved on to to other collecting interests. Not saying you need to do the same, but I do encourage you to give some thought about a new collecting and or business plan that is not 100% Sarasota related. I am very curious to see how it plays out for the Cali folks and hope it works out better than they or anyone else expected.

Then for that bending is the exception not the rule as it is for 1975-present. Still nothing showing that post 1974 has changed.

So all pre-1975?

Never heard of them. At least you dont have to pay for return shipping as on top of the standard bending and damaging ComicBook services fees

As a submitter if the book is returned to me in the EXACT same condition as when I sent it in, I do not care if grading is not totally accurate. As buyer of course but I buyer the book not the label. The additional wait like mine appears to be due to volume or volume of vacations. Hope your luck holds out and your books have no new color breaking ticks when they come back

The issue on pre 1975 seem to be the exception not the rule. Still "are you feeling lucky" is what you need to determine. BTW: Soon there will be slabs from the US Pacific coast that have UV Protection. Imagine being able to display SA or GA book for week or two in your home without fear of light damage. I can't wait!

my re-holder returned today: In terms of banana bending: 1 is somewhat better than before but still not acceptable. 3 are exactly the same 2 now have multiple spine ticks that were not there when I sent them back in July. Neither is still a 9.8 as it says on the label. 1 of the ticks is 1/4" in length. With this sickening fiasco my CGC submission era (2000-2024) has ended. Of course they don't care they make that obvious, but I'm never submitting a Comic or Magazine to CGC again. I also will no longer purchase ANY 3rd gen slab. Between Newton's rings, Shaken Comic Syndrome, and Banana Bending its Simply Not Safe to do so unless at a cons. But I'm not going to shell out Con prices because CGC doesn't know how to perform their most basic service. With my near 25 years of submitting to CGC having come to a permanent end, I'm now singing:

Damaging the Comics "fixed" newtons rings. Prolly means to fix the Slabs Damaging Comics issue after grading they'll simply incinerate the Comics and return the ashes inside the 9.8 slabs. Thus no more complaints about Banana Bends. Followed by the CS statement of "Burning the Comics to Ashes is Normal"

Nice! My 6 favorites from the platform are: Tunnel's Of Doom Alpiner Tombstone City Zero Zap TI Invaders Munchman Through the Magic of Emulation starting in 1996 and continues to this day I'm able to enjoy them. Back in 2000 I even picked up a set of new/old stock TI Joysticks. You cant get the real experience without those stiff TI Joysticks (keep it clean folks they really are horrid). They are compatible with most 2600 Joystick USB adapters.

The Undisputed Master I might add

Pretty sure that if book was cracked out now and resubmitted it would be a 9.6. Then if cracked out and resubmitted again a 9.4 or 9.2