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If 2 were fine then no excuse the others are not.

Normal slowing, guessing all who placed ComicLink tracking bids have them in now.

Curious on how many books need to be submitted Per Annum to be given the premium service enjoyed by some where the books remain in their correct state of flat inside the slab? Is it $100K? $200K? $500K? $1MM or more in business?

Update to my personal guidelines based on evidence supplied in quoted post. Please note this is very much in flux and sadly continues to trend downward. 1975-present: CGC 437 series or higher is an instant swipe left for me! Exception only for purchasing at Cons or Shops and able to give the book a detailed viewing from all side edges CGC 425-436 must see book in hand. No Online purchasing unless seller willing and able to provide clear high-res side view pics! Ensure purchase via Merchants with a buyer friendly return policy like MCS, Comiclink, eBay. Do not "get attached to the book" prior to viewing in person. CGC 423-424 If purchasing Online Proceed with caution! ensure only via Merchants with a buyer friendly return policy like MCS, Comiclink, eBay. Do not "get attached to the book" prior to viewing in person. CGC 422 and below (2016 or later slabs) Currently presumed safe? Still its best to see book in hand first. Also be aware of Newton Rings . If purchasing any post 2016 slab Online Proceed with caution!, safest if via Merchants/Entities with a buyer friendly return policy like MCS, Comiclink, eBay. Pre-1975: CGC 425 series or higher, slab by slab basis, see book in hand if possible. If purchasing Online Proceed with extreme caution! ensure only via Merchants with a buyer friendly return policy like MCS, Comiclink, eBay. Do not "get attached to the book" prior to viewing in person. CGC 424 and below (2016 or later slabs) Currently presumed safe. Still its best to see book in hand first. Also be aware of Newton Rings . If purchasing what you feel is a higher value Comic Online Proceed with caution!, ensure it's only via Merchants/Entities with a buyer friendly return policy like MCS, Comiclink, eBay.

CGC has stated the bending/curve is normal, thus all books should have it. If only one station then CGC's claim is false.

I like what you are saying but if they fix then how do they back out of their official stance of curving/concaving "is normal". Seems to me they are in too deep and will only double down.

Aren't those the coin slabs that dude used to sell on HSN

Based on CGC official CS message, curved is normal. Therefore that one flat book is an anomaly and you must send it back posthaste to have the normal damage applied.

The returns are came back still curved/concaved/bent/bowled . The only differences between before and after are standard deviations related to the process. Again their stance is its normal. They are in a defend their bottom line position and that won't change. If they start to fix returns or new subs books going out is an admission of guilt which exposes them $$$. You can bet they have already run cost to risk analysis. Thus their stoppage of returns and official response of "its normal". We can talk all we like about it but for those few who care about the actual condition of the book inside a slab its already Game Over.

The acceptance of returns may have already stopped. Official message is that the damage is normal - end of problem. As mentioned in recent posts correcting the issue is tantamount to admission of guilt and will likely result in significant expense. There is no point if return, they are in too deep, from now on its deny deny deny and repeat repeat repeat.

BTW I'm seeing chatter from collectors as well as sellers on another grading Co's forums about dumping all affected books to various non buyer has all power venues ! For all that care about actual condition of the comic and not simply number on label; Be very very very careful folks!

As per my last post they are in way too deep and will double then triple down. Any business they lose will be less than admission of guilt. If against all odds it begins to hurt their bottom line, and Executive Bonus', the parent company will end the pump and dump and sell off CGC. It will then be the next owners problem... Of course the potential financial ramification to small-medium size sellers in this bearish Comic Market that depend on both purchases as well as legit bids is not calculable. If you are one of those folks in a defend stance on the issue (or from your public POV, a non-issue), you need to seriously consider a pivot to remain viable past the short term.

Interesting Food for Thought: As pre-1975 appears on the whole not have the same issue, this means cause is almost certainly known behind the scenes. Implementing a change to correct the issue on 1975-present is tantamount to an admission of guilt. A admission that could easily prove very co$tly. The parent company has one concern and one concern only; profit. What would best serve an Exec to protect profit and increase their next bonus? Seems to me the only way to protect profit and an Exec's bonus is to do nothing on 1975-present, then expand the issue to completely encompass pre-1975. Thus no admission of guilt, as all is "normal", and least potential profit loss. The Execs making the call succeed in padding their bonus', they then simply execute their planned 18-24 month skeddaddle leaving the mess to the next round of Exec who will do the same. Thoughts? P.S. I've worked/worked my way up Fortune 20 firms since the late 1990s. Anyone who does not factor Executive Bonus' is someone who lacks true understanding of "the real game"

Update to my personal guidelines. Please note this is very much in flux. 1975-present: CGC 437 series or higher is an instant swipe left for me! CGC 430-436 must see book in hand. No Online purchasing! CGC 423-429 Proceed with caution! If purchasing Online ensure it's only via Merchants with a buyer friendly return policy like MCS, Comiclink, eBay. Do not "get attached to the book" prior to viewing in person. Pre-1975: CGC 437 series or higher, slab by slab basis, see book in hand if possible. Proceed with caution! If purchasing Online ensure it's only via Merchants with a buyer friendly return policy like MCS, Comiclink, eBay. Do not "get attached to the book" prior to viewing in person. CGC 423-436 Currently presumed safe. Still better to see book in hand first. If purchasing what you feel is a higher value Comic Online, ensure it's only via Merchants with a buyer friendly return policy like MCS, Comiclink, eBay.

Buzzkill Yeah OK a tad busy, still IMO it created the intended illusion effect on the final product, which was THE goal.

Several years ago if my memory is correct this was the 2nd lowest 9.8 pop in the title with under 10 copies. I kept losing out on the book at auction then gave up. Now it goes for less in 9.8 than it did in 2016 Have just about completed my 1977 Panther set Unlike 2024 slabs, I Love the ol' 2nd Gen as the book is so flat inside the well it could be used as a Level .

Reminder

Seeing similar results. Appears a tiny bit of bowing may have been situation for long while, but totally dwarfed by the degree to which it is now. Received 2 books in mail yesterday; Series 091 and 101 2nd Gen slabs, both comics perfectly level and flat as a pancake. CS may say it bowing/concaving and associated damage it causes is "normal", but it's not good and its not right.

Folks - know that Heritage has been in bed with the Newport Beach CA folks for a long time on the Trading Card front. The same could be said of course for CGC on the Comics side - my point is Heritage already has an established mutual beneficial relation$hip so it may not take much effort (kickbacks,graft,seed money,etc) from the CA gang to extended that to Comics. As for Comiclink and MCS well that's a different story they will likley eat returns and all associated costs, like they have for Newton Ring's and Shaken Comic Syndrome, as long they are exceptions. If the returns become semi-common they may alter their policies? This means the average buyer is out luck and out their money, unless CLink or MCS muster the courage to play hardball with CGC. My guess is they either can't or won't, as evidenced by their long time collective deafening silence regarding Newton Ring's and Shaken Comic Syndrome.

^ ANY Sal 1970's Hulk Title Page is page I want to see!

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434 series was Oct/Nov 2023. I examined both my Vintage and Modern subs from the series and they look about same as the 395 series slabs I had handy for comparison. My 434's are all pre-fixed 4342 If correct This makes the potential start date prior to "Slabgate" being identified. Re-calibrating: 1975-present (aka Modern from a submission standpoint) issue is epidemic. pre-1975 (aka Vintage) appears significantly less affected. Still Best to proceed with caution, on a slab by slab basis. Large 1975-present book submitter's, like JoeyPost for example, have alluded to not being affected. My new current SOP: I'm not sure of exactly within which numerical series the issue begins, but for now I'm considering 433 and lower as "safe". ALL 1975-present CGC 437 series or higher is an instant swipe left for me. 434 is definitely a slab by slab basis, 435 and 436 require vigilance, but easier for me to just avoid. Pre-1975 CGC 437 series or higher, is slab by slab basis, meaning no online purchases! Must see in hand first.

I agree, too tiny and low res to make a determination

and let the folks knows CGC's current official Customer Service Stance is it's normal and expected for CGC to damage your merchandise.

To complete the ledger; you spent all the money to have the book graded and slabbed, Now have cracked it out thus defeating that purpose and are left with a book that is worse (even if only by a little), due to the Slab inner well issue, then when you sent it in! I'd love the defenders to explain how that is in any way a positive thing. Where I come from what we have here is called a No Win Scenario or in today's vernacular; LOSE-LOSE or translated to Star Trek; Kobayashi Maru. Which begs the question why on earth would a non-masicist collector continue to submit or purchase (post Nov 2023 slabs)???