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434 series was Oct/Nov 2023. I examined both my Vintage and Modern subs from the series and they look about same as the 395 series slabs I had handy for comparison. My 434's are all pre-fixed 4342 If correct This makes the potential start date prior to "Slabgate" being identified. Re-calibrating: 1975-present (aka Modern from a submission standpoint) issue is epidemic. pre-1975 (aka Vintage) appears significantly less affected. Still Best to proceed with caution, on a slab by slab basis. Large 1975-present book submitter's, like JoeyPost for example, have alluded to not being affected. My new current SOP: I'm not sure of exactly within which numerical series the issue begins, but for now I'm considering 433 and lower as "safe". ALL 1975-present CGC 437 series or higher is an instant swipe left for me. 434 is definitely a slab by slab basis, 435 and 436 require vigilance, but easier for me to just avoid. Pre-1975 CGC 437 series or higher, is slab by slab basis, meaning no online purchases! Must see in hand first.

I agree, too tiny and low res to make a determination

and let the folks knows CGC's current official Customer Service Stance is it's normal and expected for CGC to damage your merchandise.

To complete the ledger; you spent all the money to have the book graded and slabbed, Now have cracked it out thus defeating that purpose and are left with a book that is worse (even if only by a little), due to the Slab inner well issue, then when you sent it in! I'd love the defenders to explain how that is in any way a positive thing. Where I come from what we have here is called a No Win Scenario or in today's vernacular; LOSE-LOSE or translated to Star Trek; Kobayashi Maru. Which begs the question why on earth would a non-masicist collector continue to submit or purchase (post Nov 2023 slabs)???

unless the issue is expanding. By that I mean if the root cause is a change in the manufacturer of the inner wells and Vintage was using stock that pre-dated the change at some point that stock will run out. Yeah huge speculation on my part but since we have no information and CGC ain't saying anything, the question for Werner is does he feel lucky? Me personally I feel why take a chance. My pre-1975 books are fine in their Mylar. Perhaps on some of my minor keys I'll consider the premium slab the Newport Beach/Santa Ana folks will offer...?

note the corner box + Marvel banner. Clearly an enlarged b/w photocopy made from the comic book on standard paper. The "Iron Man" Logo looks not right as well but difficult for me to tell from the pics. The "By Demon Possessed" blurb appears to be original. Garbage may have been too strong a word, "non authentic" might have been a better choice I don't recall this cover coming up for sale in at least the last 10 years.

Agreed. BTW: I was just looking at 2 boxes of my slabs; One is all 2nd Gen slab's, each Comic is flat as pancake... Same for a box I have with all circa 2019 slabs. I do miss those older slabs... "All Good Things". oh well with the extra funds my T206 HOF collection will grow.

Predictions? It's not a "Demon In A Bottle" cover, but it's close, and the fake stats look like garbage, but nekked it's a true frame hang on the wall conversation piece. I'm going to say $40-55K. Thoughts? https://www.comiclink.com/Auctions/item.asp?id=1787427

For the amount of Vig they hit you with at least they have website with code from this century

Update: 1975-present (aka Modern from a submission standpoint) issue is epidemic. pre-1975 (aka Vintage) appears significantly less affected. Still Best to proceed with caution, on a slab by slab basis. Large 1975-present book submitter's, like JoeyPost for example, have alluded to not being affected. My new current SOP: I'm not sure of exactly within which numerical series the issue begins, but for now I'm considering 434 and lower as "safe". 435 or 436 may be a slab by slab basis? Still much safer to avoid until pin pointed. ALL1975-present CGC 437 series or higher is an instant swipe left for me. Pre-1975 CGC 437 series or higher, is slab by slab basis, which means no online purchases! Must see in hand first.

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^ not sure of which numerical series it starts but for now I'm considering 434 and lower as "safe". 435 & 436 may be a slab by slab basis? Anything CGC 437 series or higher is an instant swipe left for me.

1975-present (aka Modern from a submission standpoint) issue is epidemic. pre-1975 seems to be a lot less affected Large 1975-present book submitter's, JoeyPost for example, have alluded to not being affected.

The only logical thing CGC had done is allowed this thread to continue where eyeballs are minimal vs folks here taking to the 'gram etc

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Yet another old white guy stealing comics. Probably graduated from shoplifting them at conventions

Only a few for you. It's over 1000 for the topic author. Avoiding any book slabbed after Nov 2023 is the only way to be safe! That of course hurt$ the Author even more as potential bidding and purchasing pool is reduced.

Collectors will not care about slab weight nor how it fits on dealers convention selling wall. What they will care about is accurate grading and getting the condition for which they have paid, and that the book is protected.

This post is in general, not a shot in any way shape or form at you my friend and i genuinely mean the friend part. Even if that is somehow the true situation for a subset of books that were in a slab for less than 4 weeks my opinion is SO FRIGGIN WHAT! Why bother to submit if you need to crack the book out immediately to protect it?

That is a truly key point! For collectors; Buy the book not the label/flip. As you can see by my sig I am a fan of the CGC registry, but I will not allow that to dictate what I purchase! I will be glad to pickup slabs from the NJ folks and CA folks as long as the book meets my criteria. As for the CGC registry, the "All Good Things" saying applies.

BTW this morning 4 9.8 Bronze comics in my eBay searches popped up in my email notifications, all want list books for me. Saw they were all 443 and 444 series and I deleted the emails. This is now the NEW normal for me. Will be using my what was my monthly comics "budget" this month like last on Original Art or a Slabbed T206 Hall of Famer Baseball Card.

^ IMHO this has potential to be a huge foot in door for Newport Beach / Santa Ana folks. They simply need to market their slabs won't curve or bow Comics and that they will lay flat and actually protected. Those CA folks may very well be salivating at these/your pictures and the absurd response from CS, it could easily translate, to $$$ for them.

Agreed, not very appealing on the eye with the different labels. At least the certs are pre 2023 otherwise bending caused by the slabs would prevent them from being true 9.9's

Received this as part of 2024 Award package "Protect" ?, seriously...