onlyweaknesskryptonite

Well I though the best way to settle this was let the experts decide.

We are splitting hairs here. Which side do you land on?

1 hour ago, Domo Arigato said:

Do it and post a scan!  That way we can see what one looks like that actually does have the hair against the book. 

And speaking of senseless banter......I pm'd RockMyAmadeus hours ago and told him I was trying to see how long I can keep a debate about a hair going.

Turns out it was about 11 hours (so far). 

Shouldn't someone be paging Buzzetta or Kav? 

Guess since the Newsstand thread got closed the post counts had to go somewhere..

Not a hair in the world...

36 minutes ago, Domo Arigato said:

I realize that the hair looked like it was against the book to you, but the facts you keep stating about the newton rings (and the picture) seems to indicates that it wasn't.  You state that the newton rings were where the inner and outer walls meet.....but that there appeared to be a pocket of air between the inner liner and the outer case where the hair was.  This would be the exact scenario that would occur if the hair was between the inner and outer holders and not against the book itself.  The hair would separate the inner holder a bit from the outer holder and create a pocket of air there where no newton rings would be able to form. If the hair was against the book, it would push the inner holder up and make it more likely to contact the outer holder along where it was located, which would cause newton rings in that spot, not eliminate them. 

I would agree that it is what should be the case with the Newton Rings and it very well may have been. I can only state what I observed.  To me the hair appeared to be against the book and that the air was between the inner and outer case. I know that is not the way that these Rings should appear or that air should just get trapped between the two layers with out something separating  them,  but in this case it was the way it presented. It really looked as though the inner sheet had been warped or was misaligned creating these areas of Newton Rings. I will definitely concede that I could be wrong,  but it was also the first time I had a hair that size and that bad of a case of Newton Rings appear. 

5 hours ago, Pickie said:

This is, in other words, the definition of the Gerber Scarcity Index No. "11" ("Non-existent, but kown to have been printed."). 

Great topic! 

Agree with this as it was my first thought.  Definitely any 11, that said I know there are several books that have been chased , but are now assumed never produced.  Right off the top of my head.

Adventures of Superman  #499 second print.

Action Comics #683 third print

And several gaps in the DC Universe Logo search that has been going on for years. The ones that there have been no copies found yet are : 

Action Comics # 685,687-694,711,716,717,719-721

Adventures Superman # 500-507, 523,533,534

Animaniacs # 3, 8, 11-14,17

Aquaman # 2,10-20

Azrael # 17,18,21

Batman # 513,525,528,530

Batman Annual #14-19

Batman Adventures # 19-32, 34

Batman & Robin Adventures # 2,5,6

Batman: Shadow of the Bat # 26-28,31-34,36,37,39-47,50,51

Catwoman # 8,10,14,16,20-30,33-35

Detective Comics # 692,693

Flash # 103,105-108,111-113

Green Lantern #37-46,57,60,69,71-74,78

Guy Gardner # 18-25

Impulse #4-9,11-13

Justice League International # 64-66

Justice League of America # 70-83, 94, 96,100-106 , 109-111

Justice League Task Force # 8-16, 18, 21, 24-31 

Legionnaires # 11,13,15,17,18,20,23,24,27,28,30-32 

Looney Tunes # 7, 9-11

Power of Shazam # 5-11,13-15,18

Robin #10, 22 -24 , 26, 29

Robin Annual #1

Steel #16, 18-22, 25-27,30

Superboy #10, 17-19, 21,22,25-28 ,31

Supergirl (1996) #1

Superman # 75-76, 78-84 ,107, 110-112

Superman Annual # 7

Superman Man Steel # 21-28, 39, 51, 54-56

Superman: The Man Of Tomorrow #  2-4

Wonder Woman # 83 , 94, 99, 100, 102- 105

1 hour ago, Iconic1s said:

Ta da!  A happy ending to the ‘what’s in the case?’ storyline!

If anyone has a 9.8 for sale let me know! 

Below is a pic w/out hair, close up w/out hair and before hair removal (those were some bad Newton Rings!). 
 

Congrats on the reholder and it looks SWEET! I am curious if the reholder is in a normal thickness holder or if they used the thicker case? 

To me the hair looked as if it was against the book. The Newton Rings were not where the hair was, however to me it looked as though the Newton Rings were where the inner and outer walls met, but there seemed to be a pocket of air between the inner and outer walls keeping the area above the hair from showing Rings. When I had this books I looked over it many times and it always appeared to me that the hair was not between the inner and outer,  but on the book.

And just to help show how bad they really were..  What it looked like when I received it .

7 minutes ago, Domo Arigato said:

 

What the what?  Does this book belong to you or to the starter of this thread (onlyweaknesskryptonite).....or are you posting with two different accounts?

Either way, the pictures posted do show that the hair was interfering with the creation of newton rings.  As was mentioned in the first post in this thread....."the first thing I noticed was the Newton Rings, however upon closer inspection there was a line that had none."

No newton rings appear along the path that the hair creates in the holder.  My understanding is that newton rings are created when the inner well comes into contact with the outer hard shell of the case and produces the newton ring effect.  The hair appears to be creating an open, or dead space between the inner well and the outer holder (keeping them from touching each other).....and this is why there are no newton rings along the path of the hair and within a short distance of it.  It just doesn't look like the hair was in contact with the book.  But as I mentioned before, it doesn't really matter at this point.  It's still a hair in the holder and needed to come out.  I'm just trying to clarify what was happening in this particular instance.

Originally I had this book. The hair appeared to be against the book itself.  I know their claim about Newton Rings,  and you are correct about it appearing that there was a line where there were non around the hair, but the rings were bad on this one except where the hair was. I did sell this book to Iconic1 and he sent it in for reholder. Looks way better!

#3

I do believe this topic became about the premium on post counts..

9 hours ago, RockMyAmadeus said:

No. Got them all right here.

You?

I was thinking the same thing.

13 minutes ago, Brandon Shepherd said:

Wait, is CGC now notating "Newsstand Edition", or only if the price differs from the Direct Edition? 

Vfactor1 is correct.  CGC does note some of them, but so far they only note ones that have added differences, i.e. Price , Ads , Indica, Date, etc.

2 hours ago, Brandon Shepherd said:

Well, I finally got through to CGC on that, and I'm finally sending the books back in. I feel like if another catastrophe happens a third time, then it's on me. Like the Einstein quote about the very definition of insanity is repeating the same thing over again and expecting different results. Every smug SOS I've tied to help over the years uses that quote like they are the first ones to use it also. Anyway, it feels like a Catch 22, go through the process, AGAIN, or jut sit here and write about it on the boards. 

I really hope they get this one right for you. I know , as you stated,  this is the third time around.  It does start to feel like your just banging your head against a wall.

1 hour ago, Cpt Kirk said:

Here's a couple tough Batman newsstand issues to find.  The regular cover still sealed in poly and the deluxe cover.  Both of these covers are easily found with the Direct Sales UPC.  To pile on, there's also the DC Universe UPC variant of this comic book.

Was the DC Universe Variant for the regular,  deluxe or both?

53 minutes ago, Wolverinex said:

Found this set of 3rd prints. Was there a set of these sold by retailers? Are any of these rare?

These actually came from the Funeral for a Friend Collector's Set. Which can still be found relatively cheap, but as Brandon stated it's the High grade that is harder to come by , due to being sold and wrapped as they were plus all have the black surround on the covers.

12 hours ago, valiantman said:

There are a lot more than those. 

(But nothing comes close to Batman Damned) 

http://www.cgcdata.com/cgc/cgc10/

Here he showed all 10's graded.

52 minutes ago, kav said:

What about Notti & Nyce then?

It was pretty low on the list of total. It was higher for Grim Fairy  Tales , Lady Death , and several Aspen Titles( God is Dead), Crossed 100 , Spider - Man 1 , Turner Fathom.

2 hours ago, kav said:

Are batman damned 10.0 values low due to high # of 10.0s?

There was a joke running in another thread that the low grades would sell for higher as they are rare. Even that some might crack out their 10's and purposely damage and regrade..

1 hour ago, Buzzetta said:

The goal should be to make this thread and also to have the book sell over eBay. 
 

1 hour ago, kav said:

This is not a sentence.

I do believe that he is merely pointing out the usage of "over" and lack of sentence structure.  

I completely agree, but when you see things like this.

Or this 

It is not hard to see that clearly that is something along the lines of a drug transaction,  money laundering,  etc activity going on.. Which may be the case with some of these other than just shooting for the moon with a crazy dream of a price..

4 hours ago, valiantman said:

There are a lot more than those. 

(But nothing comes close to Batman Damned) 

http://www.cgcdata.com/cgc/cgc10/

Funny though.  See a huge spike for The Crossed..Which most of those came from that direct to CGC and the Alan Moore CGC SS.