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1 hour ago, drbanner said:

Yep, this book suffers from those ink oil transfer stains so always look for a copy with white pages AND a white cover. 

You can be picky...(156) CGC 9.8s

56 minutes ago, minisink warrior said:

Sold the upper left 9.4 one month age for 3500. Seems like bad timing in retrospect. Just checked GPA

NICE! 

2 hours ago, drbanner said:

With the book being so common, all else being equal white pages will always command a premium. 

Plus many GSXM1s with YELLOWING covers, including 9.6W, 9.4W, 9.2W etc

1 hour ago, fantastic_four said:

That's so much BS.  No way is Black Panther better than Dark Knight.  It's a top 20 superhero film, but not better than all the rest.  That's a political score due to the film's social significance which definitely is greater than the Dark Knight's.

Was the first Avengers film stellar?  I thought so, and that's got a Metacritic score of 69.  So the number will be far less useful than what the critics are saying in their reviews.

Huh...I thought you own FF52?

3 hours ago, MGsimba77 said:

Yes. It's not even a white pages! 

http://www.comiclink.com/auctions/item.asp?back=%2FAUCTIONS%2FSEARCH.ASP%3FFocusedOnly%3D1%26where%3Dauctions%26title%3DX%2DMEN%2B%231%26ItemType%3DCB%26CGC%3DYES%26CBCS%3DYES%23Item_1300750&id=1300750&itemType=0

YIKES!

8 minutes ago, mwotka said:

https://comics.ha.com/itm/golden-age-1938-1955-/science-fiction/planet-comics-1-fiction-house-1940-cgc-fn-55-off-white-pages/a/121909-11945.s?ic2=mytracked-lotspage-lotlinks-12202013&tab=MyTrackedLots-101116

I watched this Planet Comics 1 in 5.5 sell yesterday for $6,600.  I apologize in advance if you won this auction and are psyched about the book, as I'm chasing one too and I'd be excited about it.  But it has clearly had color touch removed from the spine with an exacto knife or similar tool, and it appears there are even holes in the cover from this process.  Leaving aside whether the grade is correct, I am of the opinion that this book should NOT be receiving a blue label.  I don't believe CGC should set things up to incentivize cutting on classic books, and I'd bet the seller made a few grand off this "process".  I personally think the book looks hideous now.  These books have had a tough enough time lasting 80 years, why get a new generation cutting and modifying them to chase a buck?  When someone is removing color touch, and in the process removing original color from the cover, they are pretty much by definition restoring/changing/conserving (take your pick) the book.  I think these books should get at a minimum a Conserved label, and I think you could even argue this is a type of trimming.  I'd appreciate hearing what some of you think about this issue.

This also raises the secondary question of tracking provenance.  I think CGC should be trying to provide provenance/history of books that have been re-subbed after these types of operations (when possible)  This is no different than chain of title for a classic car or provenance for a piece of art, and would provide a buyer MORE info to tell them the history of the item and where it has been, which will help the market more fully understand one that is for sale.  I realize this may not be easy.  But with a Planet 1 with only 60 total graded books, it shouldn't be impossible to find out what this book was before, if it had been previously graded (obviously this would be far more difficult for a Hulk 181).  And it would both cut down on re-sub grade chasers and restorers who can hide what a book was.  Which also inflates the pool of information about what actually exists (and it wouldn't surprise me if they have an internal process for tracking some of these).  After all what good is a census if some percentage of the total has been counted multiple times?  But this is a different problem and somewhat distinct from the above.  

Whoa! 

Not mine...from eBay 

1 hour ago, carefulsum said:

Since we on the subject of "New" team, wonder how you guys feel about GSX1 vs X-men 94. 

To me GSX1 overall is a more important book than Xmen 94 but I guess that being more "rare" is the reason that it sits at a higher value by a lot vs GSX1? 

 

Dark cover.

On 3/2/2019 at 6:50 PM, James J Johnson said:

Technically, that didn't occur in the printing, and it's not a crease, vein, or anything wrinkle related. It's a pleat. During the actual production of the paper, prior to arriving at the printer, was manufactured with that imperfection. Now, because the paper is actually gathered, that is, like a pleat, folded back tightly upon itself, when the ink was applied a tiny potion of that ink that not transfer to the part of that pleat that is not exposed to the surface! If and when that pleat is somehow unfolded and flattened out, the extra surface area will also augment the overall size of the surrounding area possibly causing dissymmetry (maybe a wave) elsewhere! Also, now, the area that was folded under that pleat will be devoid of ink, the original white of the paper showing, giving the appearance of a flaked crease!  Most back cover areas are white, like where the pleat is on the back of this issue, but when pleated in an inked area, the same will hold true of the back cover as on the front. Think of that like ifyou were to make a series of very tight folds on a piece of paper and then spray painted it, later flattening it out as best as you could. You'd have a series of dissimilarly sized stripes, each band alternating the original color of the paper with the color you sprayed on.

Great analysis.

Both XM100s are high grade, I guess 9.9 is out of the question! 

39 minutes ago, ComicConnoisseur said:

Honestly they are not the only two. There is a bunch. 

They don't realize how out of tune and old they sound. 

The next movie that doesn't fit their narrative that comes out we can expect them to be defiant again and hear them saying stuff like they will stay home again.

Next time though I will point them out quick as the same group from  the Black Panther, Captain Marvel and Into The Spider Verse threads.

It must kill them though that the three movies that didn't fit their worldview went on to win Oscars and make billions.

Apparently they misjudged how the rest of the world disagrees with their close minded view.

      

 

 

 

 

A brunch of isolated young men venting their frustrations online. 

Glorious! 

What are the chances? 

4 hours ago, ComicConnoisseur said:

This is going to be a big hit leaving the same group of people who doubted Black Panther and Into The Spider Verse surprised again.

lol.

People like, HuddyBee & ianh.

Why do they post in the Captain Marvel Movie thread? 

They're not going to see the movie...why do they care? 

Do they even collect CGC graded comics?   

On 2/26/2019 at 6:05 PM, drotto said:

Over under on CM vs. Wonder Woman?

 

Personally, I think WW will come out on top.

Captain Marvel, Domestic & WW box office over Wonder Woman.

Since Marvel Studio is the only Studio that matters.  

I sold this on eBay a long time ago.

Someone got a great deal, since this WBN32 is not pressed.

The CGC Certification number doesn't exist anymore.

I guess the guy cracked the holder & pressed the hell out of it.

Maybe a 9.6? 

21 hours ago, mattn792 said:

Samuel L. Jackson is ruining the trailer for me.  Never liked him as Fury to begin with, but he seems to be channeling Die Hard 3 especially hard for Captain Marvel.

Huh?...maybe David Hasselhoff is right up your alley! 

Nice!

I submitted both comics back in 2004 & 2014 (not pressed).

With CGC Sorcery (CCS), can they remove the cover veins/printer's crease/production wrinkle?

Show me yours! 

2 hours ago, Gate13 said:

I agree hole heartedly with this. No way any Captain Marvel (Carol Danvers it Marvell) should be stronger then Thor or Hulk... 

Why?

Because she's a woman.

Another Great movie, from the only Studio that matters. 

20 hours ago, paperheart said:

the MCU picture that will take home an Oscar is A:IW for special effects; Spider-Verse will win best animated movie

And Black Panther 

Definitely #120  

I noticed many IH181s have either a wrap or a misaligned back cover.

Here's mine, not pressed.

23 hours ago, delekkerste said:

It was originally cut out from an uncut sheet purchased at a flea market in Florida in the early 1980s (as per the book "The Card").  That's the only way you would get a "football shaped" version of the card, as it would never have been cut out that way except manually from an uncut sheet.  

Mastro trimmed it down to size when he acquired it, to disguise the fact that it had originated from an uncut sheet and was never in circulation to face the ravages of time and human hands (much like the Mile High II Hulk #181s...  ).

In their book "The Card: Collectors, Con Men and the True Story of History's Most Desired Baseball Card," Daily News staffers Teri Thompson and Michael O'Keeffe wrote that the Wagner card had been cut from a printer's sheet before Mastro bought it in 1985 at a Long Island collectibles shop for $25,000.

The indictment says the card was further trimmed by Mastro to make it appear as if it has been carefully preserved for decades after it was removed from a pack of cigarettes in 1909, an act Mastro repeatedly denied for many years. The upgrade not only improved the appearance of the card, but it increased its value significantly and helped spark the trading card and sports memorabilia boom of the 1980s and 1990s.

As an aside, flipping through my copy of "The Card", I forgot that Rob Lifson was with Bill Mastro when he bought The Card back in 1985. Lifson (who now runs Robert Edward Auctions) once had one of the largest collections of Warren-era original cover art (from Vampirella, Eerie, Creepy, etc.); I bought a few pieces from him when I was collecting Vampirella covers back in the day.  Small world!

3 hours ago, delekkerste said:

So, I acquired (either bought or submitted) almost all of my CGC books between 2000 and 2004 before I just quit cold turkey and moved full time to collecting original art.  As a result, however, my grading standards are pretty much frozen in time as to what prevailed back then, which, despite "soft grading time periods", was almost universally more strict than what I have seen has become of grading standards over the past 10 years (to the extent that I have looked).  

The one major exception regarding the older books being, by and large, more tightly graded (even during the "soft" periods) was in the very early days of CGC still figuring things out.  I don't know what qualifies as a 9.9 nowadays, but, back in my day , there's no way that 9.9 should have gotten a 9.9 back in the period when I was actively collecting, which I can only chalk up to CGC still finding their feet very early on.  Even on the small-ish scan posted above, you can see that the upper RH corner is a bit blunted, and very slight wear on the lower LH corner, along with that print roll artifact (I very vaguely recall noticing some other minor imperfections as well; we'd need a better scan to confirm, though). I am certain that there have been other Hulk #181s as good or better than this one that have passed through CGC and did not get a 9.9 because that 9.9 was a mistake to begin with. 

I think people forget that even a 9.8 used to be a very tough grade to get back in the first few years of CGC grading (I'd send in cherry-picked off the stands Moderns and many would come back 9.6s!)  If you were collecting slabs from the outset, surely you remember when that nothing book, The Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe #15 CGC 9.8, hit eBay and sold for stupid money back in the day, just because a 9.8 was so rare.  Remember "danten311" who was scooping up all the PPSS #1s 9.8s for ridiculous money? We had some chats off-line where he said, sure, it's a common book, but, he felt safe with the 9.8s...  

All of which is to say that the Hulk #181 9.9 should not have been a 9.9 either then or now, just as the "Gretzky" T-206 Honus Wagner confirmed through court testimony to have been cut/trimmed from an uncut sheet shouldn't have been a PSA 8 either over in baseball card land.  And, yet, in either case, it hasn't really mattered - for better or worse, there's only one CGC 9.9 Hulk #181 and only one PSA 8 T-206 Honus Wagner card, and people want them.

But, in any case, the 9.9 copy is no longer at the top of the Hulk #181 heap now that the original cover art has been confirmed to exist (not widely known, but, the word has been out for the past 18 months among the OA cognoscenti).  The complete story also exists; contrary to erroneous reports, it was not destroyed in the Len Wein house fire, it was merely damaged and has been restored.  

The PSA8 T206 Wagner was sold for $2.8 million in a private sale to Arizona Diamondbacks owner Ken Kendrick in 2007.

The Wagner card was not cut from a sheet. The Wagner T206 was originally "football" shape & trimmed/cut to size (0:22 / 2:19).

There is an episode on CNBC's American Greed.