@therealsilvermane

I believe Phase Four is a new approach to the treatment of supporting characters. In WandaVision and FWS, supporting characters like Monica Rambeau and Sharon Carter got to be their own people and we got to see their inner world (Monica Rambeau apparently has some beef with her Auntie Carol who maybe she feels abandoned her and Maria & Sharon Carter got to be a character who wants things for herself, too, not just for Steve Rogers). Unlike before, supporting characters will be more fleshed out with their own wants and desires. This is a change from the way supporting characters were used in past films, like Sam Wilson in previous Captain America movies who had no life outside his support for Steve Rogers. I think this new approach will play out in future films like Multiverse of Madness (where a character like Clea may be a fully fleshed out character) or Love and Thunder (where allegedly appearing Hercules may get his own mini-character arc within the greater movie). And of course, this will most likely play out in The Marvels.

Well I was thinking more costumed super-hero types, but yeah, Sharon Carter was part of that team-up. On that note, you could say Agent Woo and Darcy were part of the WandaVision Monica team-up, too. And that Martin Freeman's Agent Ross was part of the T'Challa, M'Baku, Shuri, Okoye team-up in Black Panther, as well.

And Captain Marvel also outsold Wonder Woman and Fantastic Four according to that site's numbers in Direct Sales shipments to comic book shops. It means nothing. The numbers that separate a lot of the books once you get past the Top 20 is by a mere few thousand copies. Also, a segment of Captain Marvel's demographic doesn't get their Carol D. stories from local comic book shops. Many of them read Captain Marvel through graphic novels purchased elsewhere or Marvel Unlimited/Comixology. Local comic shops is more the domain of older comic book readers. And yes, I accept that not every 35+ year old comic book reader who has weekly pulls at their LCS is a regular Captain Marvel reader. Kelly Thompson, Marvel's best female writer, is the current CM scribe and the storylines have been pretty good with a lot of new character intros. Her stories are a step up from Margaret Stohl's previous CM run but not as good as Kelly Sue Deconnick's iconic character defining run on Captain Marvel. IMO.

Until a few years ago, every Marvel Comics character title was getting robooted multiple times to try to attract new readers and had nothing to do with interest or not in Captain Marvel's title. Even X-Men and Spider-Man got rebooted several times. That period of constant rebooting is over now as Marvel Comics is under new management. Captain Marvel's current title has not been rebooted since this management change, and neither has Avengers, Spider-Man, or Fantastic Four.

All of these ladies except She-Hulk isnt a solo franchise super-hero (not even Scarlet Witch) and will just be a part of their team. Captain Marvel is still president of this club.

You know what is actually over? Iron Man. The franchise is over. Make way for Ironheart.

Can we have another movie that uses "Rise" in the title? And yes, let's have the movie poster at the top say Marvel Studios's Captain Marvel 2 : The Rise of the Marvels. So many Marvels. We get it, it's about Marvel. The Marvels is a perfectly fine name. As arguably the #1 or #2 Captain Marvel fan in the world, I give it a thumbs up.

Why ignore me? You might learn a thing or two about the history of Captain Marvel and Marvel Comics in general. I'm quite knowledgeable and well read, you know, or don't know.

"A semi-sequel"? What makes you think The Marvels is not a direct sequel to Captain Marvel?

That's because in the long history of Marvel Comics, there have been consistently more than one character at a given time who beared the Marvel name. It is the namesake of the company and Marvel Comics has to keep the name alive for copyright reasons. In the 1970's, Captain Mar-Vell existed along with Carol Danvers' Ms. Marvel. In the 1980's, Monica Rambeau bore the Captain Marvel name and Sharon Ventura took the Ms. Marvel name. Even the villain Moonstone was Ms. Marvel for a short while. Now, we have Carol Danvers Captain Marvel and Kamala Khan's Ms. Marvel existing together. Again, there have always been more than one character with the Marvel name in the comics. Multiple Marvels is a thing in the Marvel Comics. On the other hand, while there have been different heroes who wore the Captain America mantle, only one hero at a time wears the Captain America title. The same with Spider-Man unless we're talking about a Spiderverse movie then you call the movie Into the Spider-Verse.

Btw, it doesn't really matter what I've said in the past. And if I did directly accuse any "fellow forumite of being racist and misogynist", which I don't deny, that post got immediately pulled and I got a temporary ban. Fine. You're not allowed to accuse fellow forumites of things like that here. Fine. What I've been saying the past couple pages is that I did not, in these past few pages, "directly accuse fellow forumites of being racists and misogynists" when I myself was being accused of such a few posts up by a fellow forumite.

I do get concerned with as many characters as Marvel Studios wants to get out there, it can potentially sacrifice the individual focus on a given character for the sake of a larger representation. Time will tell. You guys do realize that even though Captain Marvel's sequel title speaks to there being more than one character featured in the movie, that ALL the MCU Phase Four films will be team-up films, right? Black Widow will be a team-up of Natasha, Yelena the new Black Widow, Red Guardian, and the Iron Maiden/older Black Widow character. Multiverse of Madness will be a team-up of Strange, Wanda Maximoff, Wong, Jerico Drumm, and Clea. No Way Home will be a team-up allegedly of Spider-Mans from all three different franchises. Love and Thunder will be a team-up of Thor, Jane Foster Thor, Valkyrie, and allegedly Hercules. And The Marvels will be a team-up of Carol Danvers, Kamala Khan, Monica Rambeau, and maybe even Blue Marvel (but I doubt it, this film will be about the women). Even the two Disney+ shows we just had were team-up adventures. WandaVision teamed up Wanda, Vision, and Monica Rambeau. FWS teamed up Sam Wilson, Bucky, John Walker, Lamar Hoskins, Zemo, and Isaiah Bradley. Everything in the MCU is a team-up now. It basically has been ever since Iron Man 2 with a few exceptions.

You mean much like toxic fans of any and every franchise? Just like the MCU fandom has? Edited 1 hour ago by Angel of Death For the record (I guess we're keeping records now), I am fully aware of the toxicity in MCU fandom, as well. One need only take a short stroll through some of the MCU fan groups on Facebook or some other place to see that. And I think it's equally gross that any fans or people with an other agenda (because this is, in part, a culture war) start crossing lines of decency or privacy whether it's Star Wars or any other movie franchise.

Gosh, is there any way I can be less of a bother to your existence (other than just don't read this thread if my posts bother you that much) so that you don't feel compelled to throw high temperature forehead emojis at me? Oh, I know, here's an oldie but goodie pic to get the conversation to a less trollish and better more constructive intellectual place...

You keep accusing me of something I could get banned from this board for. I don’t think you’re being very cool right now.

I don’t have to. I kinda like posting about Captain Marvel, it’s fun to me believe it or not. I also like making brash statements and sometimes that starts a brief conversation or maybe someone posts an equally brash statement to which I reply and it goes back and forth and so on. The more pages the better. It means the topic is interesting or at least generates interest. See how that works in a fan forum? Or should we all stop posting now?

I don’t. You just think I do. And I never once implied that anyone here camped out on the lawns of studio executives. That’s you making connections in your own head. I actively defend the character here because folks pick on her here. It’s fine, it’s their right, and it’s my right to stick up for the character.

I didn’t directly say they were here and I don’t believe I’m acting like they are, either. I was however directly referring to crazy Snyder Cut fans and general trolls in the world who take their fandom so seriously that they cross lines of common human decency and who I did not say are here.

I'm not the crazed fan sending death threats to actors, taking part in mass review bombs on RT, or camping out with pitchforks on the lawns of studio executives. But that is one crazy dude in this gif.

Huh? What does Brie's comedy Trainwreck have to do with Captain Marvel and how does the word trainwreck even begin to reference Captain Marvel at all since the movie exceeded expectations and made 1.3 billion dollars for Marvel Studios?

Note my use of "genius" in the above post is the direct polar opposite of how I use it in regards to Kevin Feige.

She won an Oscar for Best Acting, genius.

And China is possibly going to miss out on some hometown pride as two Chinese born actors are starring in Shang Chi and Eternals (Kevin Feige has stated recently that Gemma Chan's Sersi will be the star of Eternals) in the beloved (in China) MCU. Maybe China will make Marvel remove Chloe Zhao's name from the Eternals credits or something before approving it.

Well, either way, I think Shang Chi will be a very good film. Daniel Destin Cretin is another very good filmmaker acquired by Marvel Studios (along with Chloe Zhao and Ryan Coogler) who makes very good smart personal films. I think Shang Chi will be far more than just a Marvel action movie with stereotypical kung fu in it. If China audiences want to weirdly skip out on the MCU's first Asian super-hero, that's their odd choice of course.