@therealsilvermane

Yesterday I was directly responding to your post that I was somehow posting conspiracy theories when the history of using propaganda to stoke fear is a very real thing that happened in this country and continues to happen. I suspect my post got pulled for another reason slightly connected and I'm cool with it.

Or one individual, YOU, who defaults to everything I say is DC vs Marvel or everyone is a Captain Marvel hater. I'm just debating the meaning of Captain Marvel's new title The Marvels and doing it with all honesty. Isn't that one of the things we do here, debate? You're the one bringing the toxicity with your troll posts.

Sure, Bosco wins "Troll of the morning" if you want to call that "winnang."

So the longer a thesis, the more incorrect it becomes? I don't remember that part in college. Or even high school. Anyway, my entire argument is actually Kevin Feige's words that Captain Marvel will soon lead and be at the forefront of the entire MCU. No matter the title of the Captain's sequel, we won't know anything until we've watched the movie next year. You're trying to say that Kamala Khan or Monica Rambeau will become the new Captain and Carol will somehow go away which is ludicrous. And we won't know whether she'll be the Avengers leader until there's actually a new team on the silver screen and we see who ends up taking the new team into battle. Until then, you can't say I've "lost" anything. I actually think Captain Marvel will share leadership with Sam Wilson Captain America, that Sam will be in charge of an Earth division, while Captain Marvel heads a space division. But again, I can't be wrong at anything until we see how it plays out. One thing is for sure, T'Challa was never going to be the Avengers leader. He has the kingdom of Wakanda to run and doesn't have time to be sitting in some HQ in upstate New York or sitting in some orbiting space station. My theory is that T'Challa is the Avenger who supplies the team's tech with Stark gone. That can still happen with or without T'Challa. They just gave Sam Wilson his new wings.

Well a lot of people do have it in for the character and the actress, hence the dozens of anti-Captain Marvel videos that infested YouTube a whole year before the movie even arrived, the thousands and thousands of bad user reviews of Captain Marvel on RT months before the movie was released, and the dubiuous Alita challenge to go see Alita instead of Captain Marvel in an effort to tank Brie's film. I obviously loved the first Captain Marvel movie, but fair enough. We'll see what happens with this sequel. I'm sure I'll also love it, but maybe it'll win your approval. I'll admit, Captain Marvel does need it if she's going to be at the forefront of the MCU.

Look, I get where you're coming from. If Captain Marvel is such a big deal, why isn't her full name in her sequel's title? I get it. So I tell ya what, I'll try to see it from your point of view, as possible trouble for Carol Danvers as regards her status in the MCU, but then throw in my point of view, too. But first, let's clear one thing up that just because a character's full name is not in the title, it does not mean that character can't be the lead. In Guardians of the Galaxy, while it is a team movie, it is still Star-Lord's movie. Over in DC, while Birds of Prey was a team-up movie of several Gotham ladies, it was still Harley Quinn's movie. Can we assume the possibility, since The Marvels is officially the sequel to Captain Marvel and even though it's going to be a team-up of superhero ladies connected to the Marvel name, that Captain Marvel will still be the story's lead? If you can't assume that possibility at all, that's okay. So why the name change so that "Captain Marvel" is not at the top of the movie poster? The worst case scenario and which you're postulating is that Kevin Feige doesn't have faith in the Carol Danvers character (all the haters got to him, maybe?), even though she made a billion the first time, and is forcing her to share the spotlight with Kamala and Monica. Possibly. On another hand, I found it interesting in WandaVision that Monica appeared to have ill will towards her Auntie Carol. My guess is a feeling of abandonment. I wonder if, besides the story drama, there was a bigger strategic point to Monica not liking the woman she once adored? What if Kevin Feige was aware that a segment of the MCU fanbase, like Monica, also had ill will towards Captain Marvel? What if Kevin Feige is using Monica as a character who these particular fans can sort of relate to in the sequel movie? What if the hope is that if Monica can turn her hatred towards Carol back to love or at least acceptance in the story, then maybe these particular fans can do the same? Because Kevin Feige doesn't want to leave any fans behind, even the ones that hate Captain Marvel. And perhaps, this might be part of the reason for the name change to The Marvels? Regular MCU fans who like everything Marvel and Captain Marvel lovers like me are cool with whatever the movie's title is. But perhaps a title like The Marvels might soften the blow for the many fans who are anti-Captain Marvel in the hope that maybe they'll be more willing to see the film. I could see that as a possibilty. One thing I don't see as a possibility is that Carol Danvers is not the lead in her sequel. Yes, Kamala and Monica will have significant roles, and I think more significant than guys like Sam Wilson or James Rhodes were in early movies, but it will still be Carol's film. All MCU films are basically buddy superhero team-up movies now, but you can still have an emotional lead. Civil War had all the Avengers in it, but it was still Steve Rogers' story. I do think that Phase Four marks a new way of treating supporting characters or buddy superheroes. I think like Monica in WandaVision or Zemo and Sharon Carter in FWS, they will be more 3-dimensional than supporting characters in the past. I mentioned a thing many posts ago about ladies no longer being metaphorical handmaids in stories from now on. This is part of that. While I think Carol will definitely be the lead in her film, Monica and Kamala will still get to be their own characters and grow as well. Another thing about The Marvels title. I know a lot of you think Brie Larson is the devil, but I'm a fan and think the world of her. Obviously. I dig how she loves to prop up other women around her. At the MTV Movie Awards, when Captain Marvel won best action scene, Brie brought up her stunt doubles and let them have the spotlight. In a few magazine interviews Brie did for the Captain Marvel press tour, Brie specifically asked for a black female journalist she knew and also a disabled journalist. In her YouTube channel, she often gives the microphone to women who are making a difference in the world. In other words, Brie doesn't seem to be the type of person to hog the spotlight but instead prop up her fellow sisters. Now, I'm not saying Brie Larson had anything to do with the movie's title changing from Captain Marvel 2 to The Marvels, but The Marvels seems to be a name that fits right in with Brie Larson's personality and history of sharing the spotlight with her sisters.

The new frontperson for the MCU. Start getting used to seeing her at the forefront of all Marvel Super-Heroes marketing.

How has she been demoted? Captain Marvel is getting a pair of female super-heroes who are in her image to tag along with her. All the major Avengers get super-hero buddies. Cap America got Falcon and Winter Soldier. Iron Man got War Machine and Iron Spider. Now Captain Marvel gets Ms. Marvel and Spectrum/Photon. Plus how is becoming leader of the next Avengers team a demotion?

Captain America on a horse would actually be a great image. Makes more sense than Batman on a horse. His name is Wind In His Hair. I've seen Dances With Wolves like a dozen times.

Not a medieval knight's lance. A Native American lance like the one sported by Wind In His Hair below: If a Native American Cap could get gifted a Vibranium arrowhead to put at the tip an ancestral lance, it could be quite a formidable weapon.

I respect that the artist is a Native American from Newfoundland, but the suit needs to be streamlined. A villain could use those fringes against him. Really, if a Native American is going to become Captain America, I'd think they just wear the traditional outfit with maybe minimal color redesigns like Sam's new outfit. Maybe a Native American belt made for him by his ancestors or something. This new Cap should also have an accessory weapon besides the Shield if he wants to advertise his Native American roots, maybe a lance or something.

It's not practical at all, and is more in the style of ceremonial dress. A real Native American warrior would never go to battle dressed like this with all that stuff hanging off of him. He looks like a bird. Or a falcon.

That would be kinda awesome if one day Sam passes the mantle to a Native American. This could be a major key issue one day. It's a dumb outfit but you never know.

As long as folks keep trying to say here and elsewhere that Captain Marvel won't be at the forefront of the MCU of the future, then yes. Somebody has to have Captain Marvel's back around here because it sure seems a lot of folks around here have it in for her. Counter messaging.

Sam Wilson has already replaced Steve Rogers as Captain America in official Marvel tie-in marketing.

As we start to see new marketing and merchandising for Avengers properties, you can start to see where Disney/Marvel's head is as far as who will be at the forefront of the MCU going forward. And in a recent Arena of Heroes NBA Marvel tie-in which aired on ESPN recently, Captain Marvel is front and center. Already Steve Rogers Captain America has been replaced by Sam Wilson Captain America. And it sure doesn't seem to me that Captain Marvel is getting sidelined for anybody. You can count on Captain Marvel being the leader of the Avengers in a couple of years when a new team is formed after the building blocks of Phase Four are through.

I don't care what your race or gender is. And I'm not sure why you'd say "Screw white dudes!" Though that's probably the message the legion of trolls are passing out at their weekly zoom meetings as the rallying cry of Marvel and Kevin Feige especially after he said WandaVision didn't need Dr Strange, another white guy, to come in and show her how it's done. Anyway, the fact remains that as non-white male heroes, mainly Black Panther and Captain Marvel, entered the MCU and got their own movies, both characters received backlash from less than honorable fans who seemed to have a problem with the sudden diversity. If you want to pretend racism and sexism doesn't exist in this world then you can also stick to your guns. If you check Twitter, you'll find out that Asian-Americans are the current flavor of the month for racist attacks.

No thanks, I'll leave it right here in the Captain Marvel 2 thread.

I'm not as positive on Top Gun 2. Maverick and navy jets doesn't hold as much interest nowadays as it did in 1985. The military was all the rage back in the Ronald Reagan 80's. Now I'm not so sure how much a 60 year old Tom Cruise and a military story would draw modern audiences in. Older folks for sure, but I'm not so sure about younger audiences.

Again, this is wrong in so many ways. But if the MCU has an equivalent to the Green Lantern Corps, it will be the Nova Corps. They both use the word "corps" and both are committed to truth and justice in the galaxy. Hal Jordan and Richard Ryder even have similar origins in the comics, both given their powers by a dying Corps member after crashing on Earth. However, I don't think Nova in the MCU will be Richard Ryder of the comics. Why would a Xandarian pass on the mantle of Nova Prime to an Earth guy? Fine for the comics, not so much the movies. Nova most likely will be one of the last of the Xandarians and be a future Guardian.

With this new title, it establishes that Carol Danvers has caused a ripple effect in the MCU that has created other heroes in her image, much like Iron Man created a ripple effect creating War Machine, Iron Spider-Man, and coming soon Ironheart. It establishes Carol Danvers as a major female hero in the MCU. For part of the Ms. Marvel show, Kamala Khan runs around dressed like her hero, Captain Marvel. Carol affects others. "The Marvels" title establishes Captain Marvel as a character with influence in the world. How is Carol Danvers character not unique? Are you saying that because there is a plural title, that Kamala Khan and Monica Rambeau are also not unique? Are you saying that in one fell swoop, that Marvel Studios is attempting to minimize three female super-heroes? All just one of many? Marvel Studios must not think much of women I guess.

That's funny because I got an easy 'A' in Word Dueling 101 in college.