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Some awesome C.C. Beck artwork with this one...

No. Tho I'll try. They are a magical number that has no actual meaning or value given to collectors to make them feel better about their low grade comic books. I recently acquired a 10.0 Action comics 1. It would have been a Universal 0.0 as I didn't have the book, but with a qualified grade we can ignore all its flaws (the biggest being its nonexistence) and it is now a 10.0.

I recently picked up a double cover copy of FF 72, although it was missing the 1st 2 centerfolds. I was wondering if because it was a double cover, already a manufacturing defect, it could have possibly been manufactured w/o the centerfolds. Has anyone every experienced this before? Or am I just dealing with a normal incomplete book with a double cover?

My B&B 35 and Hawkman 4 while we're at it.

I'm always down. I've the whole run + B&B and MIS issues. and his 9 issue series with The Atom. Here's my B&B 36, got it for $10 a while back.

Census numbers only matter slightly if a book is collectible and would warrant grading. Issues 3 and 5 aren't keys (*5 is 2nd Shadow Thief) so don't warrant grading making the numbers low. I compared Hawkman 4 to those issues because they sell for similar prices in mid-grade range, and are both "hawt." The comparison was made because more Marvel books survived than DC, as often Marvel books were bought by collectors and preserved, while DC books were by children and often tossed out. SA DC books are more rare than SA Marvel, so if the interest of the market ever shifts from Marvel to DC, you'll see a pretty good increase in DC prices. So when I say "fairly rare," compare it to the competition and you'll see what I am talking about. And yes 40-50 copies can be a sort of "rare." You're on eBay, the books are from all around the world. I've never seen a Hawkman 4 in the wild or at a con. Try to find it at a con or in the wild and tell me it isn't "fairly" hard to find or "rare." P.S. That 9.2 is a beauty. I've a measly raw 3.0 and 1.8. Gotta love Murphy Anderson tho. And Joe Kubert... (here's my 34, about a 2.5)

You see 'em on eBay, but try to find one out in the wild or at a con. Even so there aren't a ton of copies compared to a lot of other books. Compared to marvel books of equal interest you've got 841 on census for Hawkman 4, with 2,678 for FF 49, and 5,626 for Iron Man 1. Is it rare? No. But it is fairly rare. It ain't common, like I said try to find one at a shop or a con. P.S. Nice to meet a fellow boardie with a Hawkman run

I picked up just a 1.5 Hawkman 4 a while back, and have seen a lot of growth even in that grade. It's a fairly rare book, and with a Justice League Dark movie in the works, I'd hold on to it unless you need to sell it now, or need the $$$ to purchase another book.

Showoff. Some seriously nice books! I just love Murphy Anderson. Makes me want to track down the other covers now that I know The Murph did 'em.

I guess DC loved the old "hero trapped in a diamond" cover, eh?

I love seeing both The Murph and Kubert take a stab at this iconic cover/scene.

While not a first appearance, as it is in an ad. I could see it being considered a cameo, as Supergirl actually interacts with the DC universe and continuity with Superman.

You also have Action Comics 60 and 156. However both of these are simply Lois Lane getting temporary superpowers, named "Superwoman", and still hardly resemble the supergirl we see in Supes 123 and Action 252. There is also Superboy 78, which came out after Supes 123 and Action 252, showcasing Superboy being turned into a girl. (Action 156, 60, and Superboy 78, pictured in order below)

Hardly the same though. She is an acrobat and isn't a "super" girl, has no actual powers, and nowhere near resembles the Supergirl we know today.

This is true. I just always found examples like this odd. Just simply which book the market favors. Like I brought up above, Swamp Thing seems to go against the "Supergirl/Batgirl" scenario in which book is favored monetarily.

Very curious, I didn't know that it actually was the panel from issue 252. I guess I'm going to head out and pick up a copy of 251 now.

I do agree with you. It is an ad. The only thing that makes me question it's placement is the similarity of this ad to an actual comic panel. It isn't just a pic of Supergirl. She's in a comic panel, and she has dialogue with Superman. She is interacting with the DC universe. This could easily be looked at as an aside, similar to Carnage's cameo in ASM 360. I don't consider ads cameos, as they aren't part of the story. However in this book, with Supergirl actually interacting with the DC universe and the world around it, as well as the ad being a comic panel, that view could change.

Was wondering how the ad in Action Comics 251 plays into this whole scenario. Would most consider it a cameo? Or simply just a curiosity not worth noting?

This has long bugged me in the comic community. Why isn't Superman 123 considered the first appearance of Supergirl (or "Super-Girl" as spelled in 123)? I've always thought of it compared to Swamp Thing. HOS 92 introduced us to Swamp Thing, and although the version of the character we met in HOS was very similar to Alec Holland in Swamp Thing 1, he wasn't heard from again. Yet HOS 92 is the "first appearance of Swamp Thing," and demands quite a premium. How is Superman 123's situation any different? Yes, the Supergirl in 123 isn't Kara Zor-El, but it is Supergirl, the only actual difference noted is a red skirt, and no origin. (tho I would discount Superboy 5 and 78 due to the extreme lack of similarity) Most label it as a tryout, but I feel "tryout" doesn't do it justice either, and calls to mind examples like the original "Hulk," a character far different from the modern version. Thoughts?

Got a hoot outta this from Mile High today... $125, and its in "good" condition. The stock photo looks at least a 9.0 tho, so seems a steal to me.

Precisely, and I feel with a coverless comic, would a change in case really change its value? I mean anyone can tell it is coverless, an 0.3 for PGX/Voldy or an NG for CGC. I really don't see the point in getting it graded by CGC, heck he could just pop it out, count the pages, and leave it raw. Also @Ryan Vandal crack the slab, if you really are that concerned with it missing pages (tho the cases where this has occurred with PGX are very rare), count 'em as soon as you can so you aren't asking for a refund 1 year after you bought the book.

It still comes down to how a character is represented for me (personally) to identify an appearance. If a shadow, or a poorly lit figure, or any various appendage doesn't necessarily represent a character in my mind, I would consider that a cameo.

Found at a flea market, $7 for SpiderHam, and $16 for the Spotlight.

Found a Spider-Ham #1 in about 9.4 for $7 at a flea market yesterday, and a Marvel Spotlight #32 in about 3.5 for $16. Some pretty good finds...

Best version of Captain Marvel I've seen...