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Netflix series looks like it may be good! Can't wait. And yes the books will definitely see a bump now, and of course if the series is good and gains new fanbase then all the better. IMO well deserved, and about time. Wagner deserves some spotlight for all his years on this series. Mage would be awesome too BTW!
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On 6/6/2021 at 10:59 PM, stinkininkin said:
Larsen ASM pages will probably always be more desirable than his Punisher pages, but with this crazy art market, well, I'm going with the rising tide lifting all boats theory and taking it to the bank!
we can wait and see where these should end up on the list. Yup, interesting times!
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On 5/22/2021 at 3:33 PM, malvin said:
Hi Folks,
If you recall I was doing some serious fundraising a few months ago, and now I can post what it is!
Link to my Brian Bolland Judge Dredd Cover
Thanks to everyone who bought my consignments!
Malvin
Ah, one of the best. Glad it found a new (great!) home !
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On 4/5/2021 at 4:50 PM, Bill C said:
All I know is I look forward to developments in this thread over the next year or so.
Me too. I and others have been offered some big amounts for top tier art, but these are often the rarest of the rare examples that require the multiple of price we mentioned in the firs post. In other words, the truly exceptional pages will blow by these numbers often in multiples. That seems to be "what's new" in my opinion - that people are forking over more these days to pry things loose (or to TRY and pry things loose). Rarity has finally become the most important factor, as a lot of the classic best art from key runs or artists has been gobbled up into black holds (for the most part) over the past few decades.
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On 2/20/2021 at 9:34 PM, Michael Browning said:
Marvel credited me in the Miracleman Book 3: Olympus hardcover reprint when I supplied art for the extras section.
However, a few years ago, Steranko drew an amazing Captain America commission for me and when it came time for Cap's 75th anniversary, I reached out to Tom Brevoort and asked him if Marvel would be interested in using my Steranko commission as a variant cover. Tom said they would, but Steranko would have to give approval and he and Marvel weren't speaking at the time, but if I could get him to agree, they would publish it as a variant cover. I asked Jim and he was gracious and agreed to talk with Marvel. It almost didn't happen, but everyone kept working toward a compromise that would rebuild the bridge between Marvel and Jim and would allow Marvel to use the commission - and 11 others that Jim would supply - for the 75th anniversary. After the deal nearly fell through a couple times and the impasse got worse for awhile, Marvel and Steranko reached a deal and my commission and nine other pieces he'd drawn were used (I don't think they ever used the full 12 commissions). I didn't received a single comp copy, nor did I get a mention in the comic on which my cover appeared -- Black Panther #5. I ended up having to buy my own copy of the comic.
Now, I loved seeing my commission on the cover of a comic and it didn't hurt that the value went up considerably now that it was a published Steranko cover.
Same here, I was credited in the Miracleman hardcovers for the art I contributed. That was nice to see. Also, I only supply art if credited in the book and also given a comp copy. It is only fair. They need the art. I don't need the book. Seems we hold the cards. And, excuse me, but they are going to sell and market the book so let's not have them cry poverty.
I will say I had one bad experience that was an accident it seems. I supplied a lot of art for the MM IDW oversized edition, and they even used my cover to MM 14 as the cover - yet they forget to send me a comp AND they forgot to credit me. So, they used it for the cover and then F'd up. I wasn't happy.
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so what's the udpate on the netflix series? Anyone know?
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On 2/12/2021 at 1:15 PM, Jasonmorris1000000 said:
MM 13 is the best cover in the run visually. I was surprised they used the MM 14 for the cover of the IDW artists edition.
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25 minutes ago, Will_K said:
The Cartoonist Kayfabe video on DKR is a really good review in a non-fanboy way.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubqW0qIG_Ck
One of the commenters wrote that had Janson as an instructor at SVA and explains some of the differences between the 1st and 2nd halves of the series.
See below (I added the bolding):
DKR INKS re: CHANGES IN STYLE BETWEEN BOOKS 2 AND 3 Klaus Janson was my Storytelling Instructor at SVA (BFA Cartooning 05-09) and wouldn't mind my sharing the following anecdotal account: The reason Inks in Books 1-2 look so different from those in Books 3-4 is because between 2 and 3 Frank decided he didn't like what Klaus was doing, enough that he complained. Frank asked Klaus to quit DKR, accusing him of being lazy and making his assistant do the work, an allegation which Klaus vehemently denies. Klaus presumed that it was instead the pressure of a high-profile project and the looming deadlines getting to Frank. He decided by Issue 3 that he wanted instead Bill Sienkiewicz to ink the remainder of DKR! Klaus refused to quit the project and DC Editorial backed him, refused to break up the team midway But each issue was sent from Klaus in NYC to Frank in CA for final approval, and when he got the originals Frank patched or whited out and drew directly atop whole sections of his and Klaus' original art. Not cool. That's why there are so many overlays & patches in the Artist Edition. When the project ended the team broke up professionally and didn't speak until SDCC '89-90 when they reunited tensely but squashed the beef. BTW Klaus reckons that if it had ever come to blows the only thing that would be left of Frank in the end would be a pair of "smoking shoes."
Very interesting. I only have one page, from book 3, and it has not a drop of white out. Can't see any touchups post inking, but maybe this was a page that was spared his edits and modifications.
Miller / Sienkiewicz would have been a marked and jolting transition between books 1-2, and books 3-4, if it had happened.
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Looking for any pages from Iron Man 154. First comic I read over and over, and I'm trying to find as many pages of the book as possible (and of course the cover if anyone has seen it!).
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1 hour ago, vodou said:
Huge* can of worms that applies to all comic art.
Better not to ask, if your value is highly dependent on how the creative credits roll
*Catch any older artist and they will admit that there's always been a ton of outsourcing to "the studio of...". Youngers won't admit...because they're still using sweatshoppers!
Absolutely, but I think more obvious in some runs than it is in others. And in some cases I don't believe it matters much. Try as I may, I don't see a big difference between Miller/Jansen and Miller breakdowns/Jansen on his Daredevil run - in fact, as the storytelling got better and better the primer parts of the run were the breakdown pages. But, in other examples, such as DKR, there are clearer differences in the quality of the pages IMO. The outsourcing didn't seem to happen as much on other runs, for example Byrne/Austen, or atleast we haven't heard about it. And the consistent quality of the work seems to support less outsourcing. The "studio" seemed to be more of a 60s and early 70s phenomenon (and earlier of course).
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2 hours ago, Namtak said:
Still...big project the dark knight was...anyone would like to have contributed i think.id say see that dot near the corner that was me!!
True, LOL. I was taking the angle of a collector. As I would imagine people may not want that particular page. But, it does beg the question of how much of the books did Jansen ink and how much was outsourced? I do know that some of the books were heavily edited with lots of white out and some books were really clean. I wonder if that heavy white out pages were touched up by Jansen after outsourced inking?
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sounds like one page?
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23 hours ago, Chaykin Stevens said:
Golden Dr. Strange is already on the list, in the $10-20k tier. I'm sure someone will come up with prices for Micronauts pages if we're patient. Patience is a virue.
I stand corrected LOL! Yes, I'm sure someone will!
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1 hour ago, Heidjer Staecker said:
A Hempel Sandman page was at auction recently; there are Shelton pages out there for sale, including the whole "Fineous Gets an Abortion" story. I think the Golden Micronauts is pretty rare. There was an interview on CAF Live recently about the new Artists edition.
Yeah, any ideas on Golden Micronauts pages? Or Golden Dr. Strange?
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1 hour ago, stinkininkin said:
I assumed that's what @artdealer was referencing, and what I was expanding upon. I actually have not been tracking those prices since I bought my example, so deferred to Mitch's expertise as the initial seller of this material. Has there been any secondary market examples to point to? Haven't looked for any myself, but they are significantly less than Miller Electra pages from the Daredevil run.
Agreed. I didn't know the range they are at nowadays, which is why I wanted the clarification.
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OK, added Miller Elektra Lives Again at 10-20K, and Steranko Cap at 30-40K with the rest of his panel pages.
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14 hours ago, stinkininkin said:
This would be a now rare example of a segment of the OA market not keeping up with rising trends. I bought my Miller Electra page 7-8 years ago for 20k. Even more surprising that it's a popular artist and character!
Are we talking Miller Elektra Lives Again? Just want to make sure people aren't talking about Miller Daredevil pages with Elektra.
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4 hours ago, Chaykin Stevens said:
I've been trying to think of possible candidates to add to the list. Does anyone know what any of these might change hands for, if they ever do?
Howard Chaykin Star Wars
Gene Colan 60s Avengers
Robert Crumb - Comic Art Tracker has various panel pages that sold for six figures on Heritage
Alan Davis Captain Britain (stories written by Alan Moore)
Alan Davis DR and Quinch (stories written by Alan Moore)
Michael Golden Micronauts
Marc Hempel Sandman
Gil Kane Hulk in Tales to Astonish
Gil Kane Cap in Tales of Suspense
Gil Kane Daredevil
Jack Kirby Sgt. Fury
David Mazzucchelli Batman Year One
Mike McMahon Judge Dredd
Todd McFarlane Batman Year Two in Detective Comics
Frank Miller Elektra Lives Again
Spain Rodriguez Trashman etc
John Romita sr Daredevil
John Romita Sr 50s Cap
John Romita Sr 70s Cap
Marie Severin 2up Hulk in Tales to Astonish
Gilbert Shelton Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers etc
Jim Starlin MOKF
Jim Steranko Cap
S Clay Wilson Checkererd Demon etc - Comic Art Tracker has various panel gages that sold for between 8k and 52k on HeritageSteranko Cap seems locked up. No public or private sales for panel pages that I know of in a while. My guess would be same or higher than the X-Men/NFShield pages.
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14 hours ago, Varanis said:
I'm pretty bullish on Tradd's work, and I'll be honest, this result still blew me away. I'm really curious what this means for the market for his art as a whole.
Not sure. We have his SSB works in the 10-20K which seems appropriate still, but we could I suppose add some of his other runs/titles to a lower tier. Feel free to post some recommended values here and see what others think.
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Just now, Heidjer Staecker said:
Got it. Again, I don't care as much about the pricing. I have what I consider a key page from later in the run ... well it's key to me. :-) It was more about understanding the rubric. Thanks for indulging my question!
Ah got it, yes I hope we answered your questions. It is never going to be perfect, but consensus is about as perfect as we can get in a subjective hobby where one of a kind pieces are involved. We are trying to put individual pieces into artificial groups, but this is something we have been doing for years informally in the hobby anyway. Thanks for your comments!
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1 hour ago, Heidjer Staecker said:
Fair point. Technically the Kirby Sandman series is the original one, but I meant the original Gaiman series that which has 75 issues and is commanding high prices. There were a number of Sandmanesq spinouts and followups that I am not including. I'm just looking at the pricing rubric and its 4X (or something), I'm trying to determine 4 times what ... what is the base price in these cases ... a non-key page from within those 75 issues? a non-key buy the same artist in those issues? etc. I don't really care about the prices, but I'm curious how a rubric like this can work on a collectible with so many variables.
In our rubric, the A page is the point of deviation and pricing. Everything below is a fraction and everything above is a multiplier. Our prices we have for sandman are for the 4 or so main artists that are coveted. If your page isn't by one of those artists, then it is not included in the rubric currently. We are happy to add more artists but their A pages must fall at least at the bottom (3-5K) tier to be included in this.
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The original Devil by the Deed from 1985 with the larger format was beautiful too. Highly recommend getting that original compilation/version.