heartened

37 minutes ago, stinkininkin said:

We also need a Kane Spiderman listing, yes?

Yes, but we need people to suggest and support price ranges please .... ahem.

Great discussion!  I will update the list tonight after more comments and see what people think.  Let's keep building consensus on pricing.  I agree Kirby seems high and we need to add Sienkiewicz.  Also agree about splitting out Byrne art, but are we saying Alpha Flight is higher or lower than the others?    As for dropping or keeping the 3-5K range, I think it's important to keep it, if for no other reason than for people to see what is relatively affordable yet still in demand.

Thanks everyone!  Happy New Year!!

49 minutes ago, jjonahjameson11 said:

Yup, but that's because no public sales of panel pages from 2010 - 2017.  Covers & splashes sold during this period, but not panel pages.  At least, none I can recall.

True, but that's probably because people didn't think panel pages are auction house -worthy.  They definitely changed hands.  I sold two consecutive pages privately during that time period.  Bought them together for 4K.

Also, the series wasn't ripe until now.  There's generally a 25-30 year rule of when nostalgia, large readership, and disposable income merge together.  Explains why early 90s is really hot right now (IG, WX, McSpidey, etc.). 

54 minutes ago, PhilipB2k17 said:

All of this is academic to me as I do not have any of these pages, and am very unlikely to ever own one at these prices. 

Everything seems to be going up, so just keep collecting what you love and I'm pretty sure it'll end up on this list one day.  Entering at the bottom and moving up.  Sometimes things pop in and move up extremely fast.  Just look at BWS Weapon X.  Wasn't even on this list when we created it about 6 years ago!

7 hours ago, stinkininkin said:

Hari! Miss you and your insight around here buddy!

You too Scott!  Life and work, you know the drill!  Maybe you, me and Gene can take a crack at updating this and re-posting?  Is there a way to pin it somewhere if that hasn't been done before?  Turns out pricing A level panel pages for top artists has been a great way to extrapolate down to B and C pages and extrapolate up to covers.  Maybe we can have this somewhere on CAF too for everyone to reference.

Shoot me a PM and let's catch up when you get a chance.  You should have my cell, but if not I can give it to you there.  Can put you, me and Gene together on a text thread to hash this out.  We can definitely handle the higher end of this list, but may have to get a few people to tackle what's been newer and hot.

On 11/24/2020 at 8:08 AM, gumbydarnit said:

It's about time to work on an update.. where to start?

Where would you say values are for A-Level Byrne X-Men or Bolland Killing Joke pages? 

Market has seen exponential growth in the past year.  Many of the prices need to go up quite a bit.  You won't get an A level KJ page for under 120k these days.  And A level Ditko ASM is hitting 6 figures now too.  We should start at the top and figure out what is 100K plus, 80K plus, 60K plus, 40K plus, 20K plus, then 10-20, 5-10, 2-5.  Yes, we are there now with prices. Some areas have had serious growth such as Miller (everything), the entire IG/Perez/Lim market, Watchmen A level pages, and Dark Knight.  You cannot find an A level DK page these days for sure, such that they would hit 80-100K now I think.  Let's get some discussion going.

I've been MIA for some years, but I have some time this week.  Hope my friends are all well on here!

On 11/19/2020 at 12:12 PM, TMNT said:

Yes interiors and cover for 250K after Eastman tried for a while to sell for a 1 mil. They've been with Eric Roberts ever since. A few pencil prelims, drawn by Eastman, are currently out there (I have one of them) for issue #1 . Issue 2 is intact with cover, not in public. Issue 3 the cover and a good number of pages are out there (I've owned a few over the years and currently have Page 1 as well as Page 3). Issue 4 only a handful of pages, no cover out there. 

Early pages of TMNT art simply don't trade hands too often, though with the rocketing price surge that TMNT#1 the comic has seen these past few months, it wouldn't surprise me to see more early art come to light.

Prices are due for a major uptick.  This series is hugely important to the comic industry, has a ton of nostalgia and prices are way lower than other early appearances of major characters.  They rarely come up.  The recent page 7 splash was a good buy for whoever got it.  And that TMNT 1 complete book solidly would deserve the 1M price tag today.

Good to know.  I will contact them.  That would be a nice documentary.

On ‎3‎/‎13‎/‎2018 at 3:27 PM, Bill C said:

I still wouldn't mind getting great examples from Elementals (both Willingham and Leeke), Ralph Snart, normalman, and more (GMC) Dark Assassin and (Silverwolf) Grips.

It seems all the major Elementals pieces are out there, so that's good to see. Snart, as many of us know, seems to be mysteriously absent from the marketplace (I have some theories). Dark Assassin/ Grips is in the hands of someone difficult to deal with. Surprisingly, I've seen almost nothing on the market from Valentino's normalman. A SDCC cover, a Journey cover, and one panel page is all I remember seeing. Guessing it was all sold cheap decades ago at conventions and in the hands of people not currently playing in the art game.

Hi Bill, Elementals was great.  Fond memories.  I have a bunch of pages and splashes. 

15 hours ago, stinkininkin said:

The list is a resource.  It doesn't have to be perfect in it's construction.  Everyone understands the nature of the Frankenstein plates, that they are somewhat unique and separate from panel pages, but so what?  It's just another bit of info for people to consider in this hobby.

Agreed. The 300 pages are basically all splashes too.  The Frankenstein Plates are pages from a book.  The 300 "pages/splashes" are also pages from a book.  And since there are no multi-panel pages of either Frankenstein and 300, the valuations are relevant.  In other words there are only splashes, so one knows what an A level vs. a B level comp is when we're talking about these. 

On ‎4‎/‎8‎/‎2018 at 11:47 PM, comiconxion said:

I think Wrightson prices have increased since he passed away.  Seems that B-Level Frankenstein plates are now $40-60k and A-level are definitely in that top tier/ 6 figure range.  

Agree with this.  For A level Frankenstein Plates, it is over 60K.

On ‎3‎/‎14‎/‎2018 at 5:50 AM, r100comics said:

 

That is insane, what an incredible list of covers !

The last time I read a post this jaw-dropping was when Brulato rattled off the list of highest graded mega-keys he owned, 10 or 15 years ago.....

 

Surprised you didn't own mine - #75.  But cool to see all the ones that have passed through your hands Mike!

On ‎2‎/‎24‎/‎2018 at 3:39 PM, Khazano said:

Im completely mind boggled by this! I always figured myself pretty savy at valuing the stuff in my wheel house. But every year since 2014 the cosmic market has left me dumbfounded. This has to be getting to the ceiling.  It can't keep going up like this. (Not that Im complaining!!!!)   

I'm not surprised.  IG is an incredible story and project that was widely read and brought many new readers to understand the entire Thanos saga from the 70s to that period.  When you have that many readers, you will have tons of collectors with money 25 years later - the start of the peak of when those readers have money but are not yet tied down by family and l life.  And that doesn't even to begin to touch on the movie tie-ins, popularity of Thanos that is only just blossoming, etc.

Those of us who have been collecting cosmic art for decades have always appreciate these runs and paid mightily for the 70s art by Starlin.  The IG run will reach those heights and maybe even surpass them over time.  So glad I have one of the covers and some pages at this point.  Bill Woo used to have four of the covers.  And Albert had the other one.  Not sure if they are all in the same collections now or not. 

Nice to resurrect this. Interesting not too much has changed, since these are ranges.  Should Miller 300 move up a notch?  Wood Daredevil down a notch?  Ross Kingdom Come move up a notch, and leave Marvels at the lower tier?  Thoughts??

On ‎2‎/‎8‎/‎2018 at 6:38 PM, Bronty said:

Congrats Hari!  May I ask what the cover was?

Sorry for the delay.  It was the Seduction of the Innocent cover.  My personal favorite of his.

13 hours ago, delekkerste said:

Yeah, $20K is not even on the same continent as to where this one should end up.  

The supply of great Stevens GGA covers has dried up.  What would it take to pry something loose from the Estate nowadays?  Or from someone like myself, Hari, Albert, etc.?  I think a lot of collectors' thinking on Stevens GGA covers (especially from the '80s; this Vampi is from the '90s) is stuck back around 4-5 years ago, since we've barely seen anything hit the market since then.  I may be talking my book a little, but, I think a lot of this material is now in the high 5 or even low 6-figure range in the current market environment.  Or, at least, that's what it would probably take to pry loose one of these covers from someone's collection (much as no one seems to be willing to sell a Byrne X-Men cover for less than $250K, even if some of them "should" sell for $150-$175K).   

True, the best covers were 50K+ about 5 years ago.  Those have to be 70K+ at the very least now, and pushing closer to the 100K for the key covers.  They truly are some of the prettiest pieces in person, and unique in our hobby.  As Gene knows, the last cover I bought was one he alerted me to and I bought it on ebay at 55K BIN.

On ‎1‎/‎25‎/‎2018 at 6:51 PM, artdealer said:

No. About half of the first book.

So what's the story?  How does only half of a book get stolen?  And I'm wondering what's the point of bringing all this up 15 years later after a Graphitti Edition, no police report and silence from the Miller/Varley camp?  Seriously, these pages went quickly to true fans of the work - folks who would have more than likely gladly given it back to Frank if he asked.  Or is this more a statement aimed at Spencer?  Honestly, inquiring minds want to know.

9 hours ago, stinkininkin said:

Was this when Spencer was selling a big pile of pages Hari?  I think that was around 2004 or 2005?  I bought 6 pages then.  Should have bought them all.  

Yup, must have been late 2003 though.  I was still in Philadelphia and I left there in June 2004. 

9 hours ago, stinkininkin said:

Welcome back Hari!!!

Thanks Scott!  Not sure how long I'll be here - life and career pull me away a lot these days, but I'll try to stick around!  I'll stick around longer if you sell me some goodies - you know my taste  

20 hours ago, comix4fun said:

 

 

 

Any discussion of Surfer begins with a battle between Buscema and the King. 

Kirby gave the surfer form and substance and shape for the first time and those FF stories with him are some of the very best stories in ANY comic much less just a Surfer comic. 

Buscema elevated the character even further with his '68 run. 

While I love Ron Lim, I've owned his work, commissioned his work, enjoyed his work off the stands in my prime comic reading youth years....I can't ignore what Kirby and JB did with that character, personal nostalgia aside.

21 hours ago, comix4fun said:

 

 

 

Any discussion of Surfer begins with a battle between Buscema and the King. 

Kirby gave the surfer form and substance and shape for the first time and those FF stories with him are some of the very best stories in ANY comic much less just a Surfer comic. 

Buscema elevated the character even further with his '68 run. 

While I love Ron Lim, I've owned his work, commissioned his work, enjoyed his work off the stands in my prime comic reading youth years....I can't ignore what Kirby and JB did with that character, personal nostalgia aside.

Completely agree.  Buscema's art is the prettiest in my opinion - some of the most graceful, smooth and elegant art on the Surfer ever.  Kirby is my second favorite, but mostly for the stories and the raw energy he drew into the Surfer.  The Perez IG covers are gorgeous, but I'm a bit biased.

21 hours ago, O. said:

 

 

 

 

Yes, sorry, meant Lim not Surfer!  Doubt any artist is as popular as the Surfer lol!

On ‎1‎/‎18‎/‎2018 at 4:35 PM, comix4fun said:

Don't people still differentiate between Perez and Lim? 

Does anyone dipping their toe into artwork at these price levels pay attention to the difference between artist's relative markets?

Hey Chris,

Of course without considering context Perez is the superior artist to Lim.  However, Lim is the artist most associated with Silver Surfer and the Thanos Sage/IG, having dong the art on Thanos Quest, which started the modern Thanos Saga, and then all the 40-50+ issues of the regular series.  Perez did 4 issues of a mini-series that basically rode the popularity of the regular series and took it to a whole new frenzy.  When collectors went back and re-discovered the run and art, the Perez art commanded higher prices because Perez was the "known" rock star and Lim was not yet.  Remember, Perez was drawing since the 70s and made a name in multiple runs, including Titans, Crisis, etc. by then, whereas Lim was a young kid on the block.  Fast forward to the present era and, like Keown on Hulk for example, Lim is a true rock star as far as Surfer fans are concerned.  Thus, we have to re-evaluate the prices in that context.  Truth be told, Perez is less important to Thanos/IG than Surfer is.  This being said, Perez gets a big bump because those first four covers to the limited series were simply gorgeous.  He is top 5 of all time as far as covers are concerned.

So, all things considered, I think both artists Thanos pages will go up and stay up.  Lim will catch up, trust me.  Not surprised that pages will hit 10K.  Not at all.

I own several nice pages, splashes and covers from both artists and love them all.

And then of course there's Buscema Surfer :).  Blows them all away!

I own page 25 from Issue #1, which isn't on your list.  Love the Miller pencils and inks.  First time he did this raw aggressive style.  I remember getting the call to inquire if I wanted to buy a page from this issue, and having a choice of most pages still available.  Wish I bought more, but alas I was still in training with (relatively) limited funds.

On ‎11‎/‎30‎/‎2017 at 9:19 PM, delekkerste said:

Did someone not read that it was inked by Yeates and not Totleben???  Sheeessssshhhhhhhhhhhh...

Oh I saw all that.  I'm a fan!  Those early covers are awesome and the most classic ones are Yeates!!