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The cents then pence white box hypothesis seems entirely plausible. However, do we know of any "non-boxed" pence copies? Different fonts: absolutely why? Using a very modern example, I understand WD no.1 has some cover text in black then white; both considered "first prints". Another inexplicable printing change (?) perhaps these are just anomalies / errors? CGC - with all respect I doubt they'll know. They call pence copies "UK editions" and I don't think anybody has ever noticed the font or indicia differences until you and I did. Isn't it ironic that our hobby has so much content expertise yet very few of us know much about the printing techniques of the past.

Now understood - many thanks for taking the time to explain that So on balance of probability the boxed cents are printed after; not necessarily "2nd prints" (as we know them) but printed second... However, unboxed cents and pence have no such determination

I think need to be a little careful with the "first print" terminology, as we are still speculating - and I think it's very likely (common sense economically-speaking) that the comics were only printed in ONE original location, but exchanging different plates The are four variants identified Cents Cents box Pence Cents with UK indicia We will never know what order these were printed in - and to be honest, it could be different for different issues or titles, as is being discovered! So all first prints until we know better ? Secondly, I might be being slow, but I didn't quite understand the post about the box or no box, and why printing dictates a certain order?

Amazing... So many variants now the mind-boggles However, proven that my GW 63 spot was certainly not a one-off Perhaps it was only Westerns? L Miller perhaps had some special arrangement? The L Miller text looks like it has been added later, printed on later, or stamped on? thanks Steve

Random thought: in 1961 would we still be hosting American troops in bases? Assume American periodicals were imported? Could these by a reason for the hybrids? (Hey "hybrid variant" - good name?)

Fantastic summaries "Dog" (have you a real name?) Can of worms opening,,, JIM 65 - could the "wonky" font just be bad printing? I don't know enough about techniques from those days but assume the plates (?) could slip slightly? I do have another issue I saw with UK indicia, but for the life of me can't find the image. Pretty sure it was an early TOS with brown cover. Will keep looking. GW 65 - font - I don't think that line through the "10c" is a spine tic, I think it's that the font is poorly printed. But yes, other than that the font is the same loving this investigation - has anyone else got original owner copies of these books, UK or USA?

Great work!!! I can't believe ALL the cents copies have the T&P indicia line There are significant implications to that, if that's the case Has a USA-only collector got an original owner copy of this book Not wanting to be cynical, but I wouldn't trust your average ebayer's response without seeing a pic either

Well, if you've seen contemporary issues with comparable page quality, that certainly makes it a lot more plausible. I have about 450+ of the MM run I'd say 300 are FN or lower 40 VF range 10 VF to NM, and just 4 of those 9.4 or above There are high grade "file" copies out there that could pass as facsimilies in a small pic - but close up the paper is totally different I understand Derek's run is mostly high grade

Had another look today. I think the MM 25 is legit as the facscimilie does not have the tear front from margin 3/4 up the cover. The YM 25 looks like the fac copy but as we've said no way of knowing unless you could personally inspect each issue MM 26 did NOT have a fac done. However, there were 100s of other issues MM YM MF and CM / CMJ that did. So we now have THREE MM 26's known out there. A lot of the other comics: 1950s Milllers, T&P, Alan Class look stunning too. I just don't get how such a collection could be so badly sold. Assume it's a deceased estate with ignorant relations...? Who knows.. Even the Marvel UK stuff, like a run of CB, including no.1 & no.8 for £20 Probably L Miller Phantoms in there somewhere - £100+ each Anyway, I reckon it'll all come to market... Compal would wet their pant to get it (as would I !)

Yes easily 20k + And agree entirely with your assessment of the bidding too... Still I've had my fair share of wins over the years Actually hope a lot of it comes to market again, particularly the MM & YM books Don't know about you but using Salesroom is very hit and miss. Another auction I'm certain I won everything bidded on but none went through. I'm pretty sure in others I ended up bidding against myself!

No that's true. You're right. I just can't believe how nice they all look The auction house is on the Saleroom & Invaluable so I can't understand how it didn't register... Wonder where it all came from Wonder where it all went...

Looking at some of the other pics... well I'm not so sure now There's some quite amazing stuff in that auction - the prices are almost making me cry. Many hammer prices are about 10% of resell value... good grief Some of the later MMs are definitely real as have rusty staples The grades on some other British titles look unreal Am totally gob-smacked

I'm pretty sure the MM 25 and YM 25 are FACSIMILIES - copies If not, then suddenly two previously unknown high grade copies have suddenly come to market. The YM 25 looks particularly "unlikely" Remember, dozens of issues were very carefully copied in the 1990s for an "art" project. The paper is white and much more modern than the originals. It's pretty shocking. But it's even more shocking if I'm wrong and they went for such a low amount!

Indeed - all good fun But the "font" variant is clearly real - I'm betting it has an UK indicia inside The standard T&P Marvel pence indicia is as below more of a "stamp" tyoe (like the Miller one) rather than the TTA

It is fascinating. Perhaps we can find evidence for a lot more Golden & silver-age variants. BTW, this was the New Fun no.6 pence copy ("shilling copy" )

crikey which auction was that? missed completely and I'm on most of them daily who bought them?

Naming conventions...? ORIGINALS Contents identical apart from price / date / indicia Cents copy Cents price variant (i.e. 15c, 30c or 35c) Cents font variants (research needed) Pence copy (i.e. 9d, 10d, later bronze Marvel & DC 8p, 9p, 10p etc) Cents UK indicia (only GW no.63 so far) "UK edition" is the term used by CGC - however they also use this on graded L Miller / Alan Class books (as below) so not consistent There was another thread that had an early Golden Age New Fun with a pence price too! BRITISH ORIGINAL REPRINTS L Miller T&P Alan Class Odhams All 1st generation Marvel UK titles

Would someone be able to do that compare thing? The 1st copy is almost certainly a UK "original owner" copy. WE need to see the indicia.

Thanks. It is definitely a newly discovered variant. But yes, has anyone got another GS no.63 to show the indicia pls? L Miller / T&P / Alan Class all shared printing and distribution resources over the 1950s and early 1960s. However, it is a good point. Unfortunately this is the only example I've seen so far - but I recall seeing stickered 9d cents comics previously.

I think I may have an answer: there appear to be some little known British CENTS/PENCE variants out there From 1959-1961 I did post this in a recent UK the price thread.... This is Gunsmoke Western no.63 Clearly CENTS price on the cover... BUT with a UK indicia I found the book in a UK original owner collection - so was bought in the UK This is the normal cents version... pic from Google note the different fonts again Theory is: these were published / printed in America, shipped over, stamped with the T&P indicia, then distributed to newsagents... who were supposed to stick little 9d stickers on them... obviously not alll were stickered...

Miracleman no.1 confirmed print-run of 135,000, no.2 70,000

Was there some discussion on the Amalgam issues recently? Found a 2nd print of Dark Claw which I'm pleased with says "2nd print" in the indicia too what was the research on the blank UPC issues?

Some recent acquisitions, most now sold on MM Gold Signed Warrior no.1 - Moore, Leach, Dez, Steve Dillon, Lloyd, Steve Moore! FE no.5 Fusion no.2

Bought a collection of about 4,000 comics Just ONE DCU in all of them... but a new one for me I note the box has a different finish to the cover, i.e. unglossed

I did... and do... and here's my copy have a spare copy going on ebay from Sunday too great fanzine (in Spanish) loads of Moore and a few bits of unique art