Not too sure how you can equate Marvel Comics #1 with Detective #1. Marvel Comics #1 had Torch and Subby...Detective #1 had....
Because the comparison is apt. Johnny Storm is the "Human Torch" that everyone knows today, and MC 1 isn't Subby's first appearance (MPFW).
It's apt because you defy logic with your bias (why, I have yet to entirely figure out) and are constantly trying to build a position to fit your argument.
Green Lantern, The Flash etc all had different alter egos between GA and SA. They're still GL and the Flash and their key 1st appearances are still important.
Marvel did have Subby, Human Torch, the Angel and Kazar and while none are considered A list material right now (and that is mostly because the FF franchise has been cancelled by Marvel due to a movie rights battle) the Torch (both the android and Johhny) and Subby were mainstays at Marvel for decades starting in FF #4 through to the copper age. I'd call them B+ characters as they were heavily involved in the Marvel universe.
And the Torch and Subby were A list material during the GA.
As far as it being Subby's 1st appearance, nobody actually knows (and this coming from someone who is a fan and former owner of MPFW #1 and Marvel Comics #1). There is no clear proof as to whether MPFW #1 was ever distributed as the only known examples to ever be found were all from the estate of Lloyd Jacquet so it is more than likely that they were just trial books that never made it the public. If so, they were be akin to an ashcan (although they weren't ashcans).
So when I state the basis for my logic you call it "bias", but when you do it's..... "facts"?
Whether or not you agree with it, Subby's first appearance isn't MC 1. Nor is it Ka-zar's first appearance. A character named "human torch" first appeared in it, but has since been essentially lost to time and replaced by an entirely different character, 50+ years ago, that happens to have the same hero name.
I suppose Angel first appeared in MC 1, but that doesn't really score you any "relevance points".
No such vagaries exist with Cap 1. It's a clear cut win- first hero appearance , first nemesis appearance (and overall major Marvel Universe villain), first sidekick , classic cover, #1 issue, etc. His GA appearance wasessentially as he is today, much like Bats and Supes.
The biggest thing MC 1 has going for it is the biggest thing Tec 1 has going for it-the first books of their respective publishers.
And that's still pretty cool! Just not as cool.
It's no wonder Cap handily won the poll.
-J.
You state that DC is the first book form that publisher but it isn't.
You state that the characters in Marvel #1 are irrelevant but that wasn't the case through the 60's, 70's, 80's or 90's. It only became the case after the FF Movie rights were sold and the movies bombed.
There's a reason Marvel #1 was the most valuable book in the OSPG.
Cap #1 is 'more popular' than Marvel #1 for exactly the same reason that AF #15 is more popular than FF #1. Movies and people not knowing the past or getting into comics but never having read them.
And historical significance doesn't change. Popularity does.
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