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$657k Peanut Gallery Legitimizers(s) 0 errr... but the legitimizer(s) are proper, learned, and correct, and the peanut gallery are just ignorant insufficiently_thoughtful_persons. I have no idea what you are trying to argue above, but I don't know who was saying that $400K was some kind of cap on this page (I know it wasn't me). In fact, I never even said that $1 million was a cap on this page - I just said it was a 50-1 shot to get there at best, and more likely 100-1, and that I like to play the odds. Wasn't directed to you at all. In fact, I found your arguments to be pretty rational (as you know speculation can be far from rational). I just took a swipe at some other post that mockingly called all other opinions counter to yours belonging to the peanut gallery. I did call it fairly close and early in the thread though, hence the self-deserved back pat (sometimes you just got to toot your own horn). It's not the arguments that are made...it's the dismissiveness of those who consider themselves "in the know" vs. the people they haughtily dismiss as "ignorant know-nothings" (aka "the peanut gallery.") If it wasn't for that, this thread wouldn't be 1/4th the length it is, and there would be no residual animosity. Listen, I know whereof I speak...I've been haughty and dismissive enough on these boards for 20 people...it's not a good thing. Dial it back a bit...quite a bit...is all that I am saying (and, I believe, Bronze Rules is saying, too.) I thought it would cross a million, too.

Classed 2008 up a bit. Added 2013 added myself 2013 again...I only survived one post b4 I got quoted out added Paper airplane and Dungeon to the list (thumbs u Awesome. Good work on the list.

A secret wars 8 CGC 10.0?

Paper airplane - 2003 Dungeon- 2002

We have. Its time for CGC to follow.

Something I'd like to add to my response... This is more common with thinner, cheaper paper. It can also be caused after the ink is printed on the paper as it goes through the rollers at the end of the press. If there is ink inside of the crease, it was caused after it was inked. If there is no ink inside of the crease, it was caused before ink hit the page. More often than not, it will be before inked. This is very typical on specific books because the cover paper was cheap or very thin (Low basis weight). Weird War #1 and Defenders #1 come to mind as books with a high percentage of this flaw. Actually, Greggy pointed out to me that it is very hard to find a Weird War #1 without a Print Crease. I have looked at many copies since he told me this to find that he is correct. But on a book thats absolutely notorious for numerous production defects, how will this affect the grade?, Hypothetically, if it's going to be a 9.8 book, will it still get a 9.8 with this printer crease? I must say that every single copy I've ever seen of this particular enigma of a book has at least one printers crease, and a lot of them have 2-3 of varying size. The one in this photo seems dark, but when looked at from some angles, you can't see it. Its also magnified. There's no color break. Will something like this bump a hypothetical 9.8 to a 9.6?

Are you the sole reason I can't find one of these?.... Completely unrelated but can I have your home address and times you may be out ... So I don't miss you of course So THATS where all of the 17's are!

I didnt know if youre serious about these or not. I literally have a box full of 9.8 raws, probably 30-40. I picked em up for chump change so maybe I'll hold on to em for a bit instead of selling them now. I think a lot of those books Kevin mentioned have a ceiling due to print runs. Batman 497 for example must have a gazillion copies... Hulk 181 has a ceiling. Print runs don't really matter, but Batman getting his back broken? That's a key book. Yes I am serious about this list otherwise I wouldn't have posted it. It's also 90's nostalgia. A lot of you guys have a hard time wrapping your head around high priced copper/early modern age books. Print runs do matter. The fact is, it takes a lot for most people to go digging to find and sell theirs, and I would venture that most do not pay attention as closely as we do here. I have over 200 NM copies of Bats 497 and that is by accident. I could kill any kind of price increase for over a month if I decided to, and Im one person. Smart dealers are now holding onto their hoards tighter as well. Why would they flood the market and kill the value? You may see an increase in even the highest printed books, but that doesnt mean its justified. It means someone who doesnt have the book, doesnt care about saving $5 to find a comic store with a .50 or $1 bin. Any book with a print run over 500k or so will have problems picking up steam. Yes there will be an exception here and there, but those exceptions will almost certainly be closer to the 400-600k print run area than the 700k+ runs. Price is always affected by supply and demand ( a ceiling normally occurs when there is either enough supply to stablilze a price point or, the supply is limited enough the price climbs to a point where only a few can afford it) WD is a good example. Tiny print run, one of the most popular comics related properties ever. It should be worth more, but average people cannot afford it. The demand is lowered because even though MANY people want WD#1 they cannot afford it, so they cannot create the demand by purchasing it, even though they would if they could. The problem with 80's and early 90's books getting hot is, while the massive supply is known, it is not readily availible. Long boxes are sitting in storage units and back of stores all over the country with hundreds of copies of some of these books. I am not saying a book with a 500K print run cannot increase in value, what im saying is a book with that type of print run can inflate in price due to artificially low supply, that WILL correct itself over time, and that timeframe could be a week or a year. Understand that I am not talking about books like NM 98 that had Print runs closer to the 200k area. Also, please do not compare a bronze age mega key, with decades of interest behind it, to copper or moderns increases in value because of movie news. As ive said, we first must see what happens when the full supply is realized, that only happens when people have the incentive to go find them. paging RMA.

This should fix this list. omega men 2... A TMNT 1 situation?

Why Batman 497? Hasn't that ship already sailed with he last movie. And the fact they printed a billion of them doesn't help its cause. Never mind. Saw above post. Interesting theory, though I disagree.

I didnt know if youre serious about these or not. I literally have a box full of 9.8 raws, probably 30-40. I picked em up for chump change so maybe I'll hold on to em for a bit instead of selling them now. Comb the lot for a possible 9.9. Like adventurers 1 in 10.0, its become a quest of mine.

Don't take this the wrong way, but I hate you. I paid $2 each for mine 6 months ago, I said if livewire ever takes off, people are gonna be looking for these. I hate you, regardless.

Don't take this the wrong way, but I hate you.

I agree with OM3. There's a jillion 9.8 worthy copies out there, ala Man o Steel 18, but unbelievably , no 9.9 or 10. I'm always looking. Besides, clowns in purple pajamas are freaking awesome!

I don't even think there's a graded copy, yet. Yet.

Power pack 17.

Patience, young Jedi. Movie and TV hype pushes the Rule of 25 down, eats it lunch, and then berates it, Kevin76 style. Who? Mr. Happy?

I loved this part in the auction title: HOT HOT LIKE FIRE BOOK I sense tomfoolery here. Or maybe it was re-listed. Nope. Guy paid and I shipped it off earlier today. (thumbs u - notice the pictures are of a different book on the relisted BIN Congrats! It's amazing how fast some of these books jump in price.

What's a fair price for a 1st print newsstand copy? #18.

I loved this part in the auction title: HOT HOT LIKE FIRE BOOK I sense tomfoolery here. Or maybe it was re-listed.

Awesome find. One of the toughest DC reprints from that era to locate.

I need the address, so I can type it into my GPS.

no Is that a new batch? And OCD ALERT! OCD ALERT! That one newsstand copy of 87 is just hurting the photo for me.