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3 minutes ago, ADAMANTIUM said:

True and if anyone did want to prop up values in 9.8, I just meant that with fewer available for sale, that it's easier to do today than 2 months ago

And I didn't want Jameson to be thrown under the bus, cause he needs to buy now to meet his goal cheaper 

But that was a personal thought that doesnt work well in text form, and I probably should have kept my mouth shut

 

Very true - and I hope he's able to reach his goal - I really do think this is a unique book along the lines of a Hulk 181 and I'll hold to that. But the fact is that all grades are seeing increases and I don't think that can be explained by the fact that 9.8s are moving higher. Partially explained, sure - once 9.8 becomes unattainable for the general collector, they move to 9.6/9.4 and then those start to balloon. But the fact remains that this book is seeing an explosion in all grades that is a little crazy.

4 minutes ago, ADAMANTIUM said:

It has come to my attention that when I used the word shenanigans

I meant it as mischief or funnin around taking a gamble

But the definition means dishonest, that's why I tried to clarify

No boardie, would have I'll intent but I can see how it could be innocently done without knowing is what I meant

I hope goal oriented people who have long term goals accomplish them cheap, but I didn't want anyone thrown under the bus 

Lol I'm a ignorant

 

I read it like this, I didn't think you were implying anything - I think it just got lost in translation. Honestly, this book has been outpacing FMV for weeks or more now, almost to the point where I want to call "shenanigans" on places like GoCollect who haven't significantly updated their FMV listings in a while. When I bought mine (an 8.5) on 9/16, FMV was listed at $350 and I paid $380. But prices haven't been that low in a long time, and if you look at 8.5 specifically, they probably shouldn't have even been that low then. There were 8.5 sales of blue label CGCs of $455 on 9/6, $475 on 9/5, $478 on 9/4, etc. It seems I just got lucky, right place at the right time.

Now though, there's a 2.5 (!) for a BIN of $250... If that one sells I think it's really an indication of the fact that people really want to own this book in any way they can. But for some reason I also see that listing as "jumping the shark" a bit somehow (sorry if it belongs to someone on here, and hey, get your money).

Just so I'm clear, I believe this book is a long term hold that has the potential to be a Hulk 181 type of book in its desirability, collectability and ultimately value. However, we're getting to a point on eBay and other sites where supply is starting to outpace demand. I don't think this upward trend can or will continue in the short term - I think prices will start to stabilize and maybe even dip a bit soon. I think it'll bounce back in the long term, but I think @jjonahjameson11 had it right a few posts back when talking about the plateaus and rebounds.

11 hours ago, shadroch said:

The books with Canadian Pricing, say 95 cents vs US copies with 75 cents were only sold on newstands or did comic shops also sell them?  I remember Crown got their hands on a bunch of .95 cent Thor 337s and the demand was less than they had expected. I did a local show where I had them for $1 each and another dealer was selling direct 337s for $3 and he outsold me. 

I can help you recoup those losses, I'll buy any of your remaining Thor 337s at $3 a copy...

This book is crazy. An 8.0 Newsstand auction just finished at $530. I paid $380 for my 8.5 just three weeks ago.

3 minutes ago, F For Fake said:

I don't have the limited signed book, but I have all three of the regular hc's, and I love them. That was back when you didn't get a stack of Batman hardcovers released every month, it was really kind of a big deal! I still dig the funky oversize trim on these. The dustjackets are prone to wear, though.

Yeah, I used to have the TPB of Son of the Demon and read that thing to tatters. This copy is really very clean overall - little bit of "crinkling" on the top of the jacket and a little color rub on the back, but overall it was kept really nicely! The dust jackets are super tough to keep in high grade.

1 hour ago, poorcollector said:

I'm still in college and on a relatively tight budget, but I am not trying to amass thousands of comics right now I am just trying to enjoy the hobby as much as I can within my means.  When you made the jump to buying slabs did you think getting those books in a graded form was worth the extra cost that goes along with a slabbed book? I also feel that as soon as I buy one slab I will want every book of value to me slabbed. Did you feel this way, if so how are you adjusting your collecting style to it?

I do think it's worth it for me - but to be clear, I don't own a ton of slabbed books or anything. There were a few key books that I really wanted, and for me, since I buy a lot online, it was worth it to have a copy that I knew was a 9.4 since it was graded instead of taking a chance on a raw copy. There are a lot of books that I've found where the slabbed price isn't really all that much more than the raw price when you consider the costs of grading, etc. And with a slabbed copy I feel like at least I know what I'm getting vs a raw copy listed as "NM" that looks more like an 8.0 once you receive it.

3 hours ago, poorcollector said:

I do not own any slabs, and I am unsure of whether or not I want to start down the path. I know that some people love cgc books and some love raw book.  I understand there are a multitude of factors that go into whether someone does graded vs. raw books (cost, aesthetic etc.), but I want to get some of you all's opinions on whether I should start collecting graded comics. 

Like a lot of this hobby, and like you said, it depends on a lot of factors and variables - your goal, your collection philosophy, your budget, etc. As someone who "collected" comics as a kid in the 80s and early 90s (I use quotes because really I just bought to read, and a lot of the books I bought back then are either gone or super low grade) and then got back in recently (within the last few months), here's my outlook. I've been buying books on a few different criteria: raw books that I used to have and want again in as high a grade as I can accept and afford; books (raw or graded) that I always wanted, again in as high a grade as I can accept and afford; and "blue chip" books - books that are universally sought after, typically in the bronze/copper age because that's what I lean toward, that should continue to perform well because their status as a collectible is fairly cemented. These books are the ones I buy graded, and again, an intersection of affordability and grade is what I look for.

Personally, I don't chase 9.8s. A lot of people probably disagree with this, but I've looked at a lot of book trends, and I've noticed a pattern of books in the 9.2-9.6 range (and in some cases, lower) that are high performers, in that the percent gain on upward price mobility often outstrips that of a 9.8 on the same book. Meaning, in the same time a $1,000 9.8 sees a 20% increase to $1,200, the same book in a 9.4 at $200 might increase to $300, which is a 50% increase - these are hypothetical numbers of course and are an extreme example, but you can find real examples of this in a lot of books. Obviously there are advantages to 9.8s - owning what is practically the "top grade" in a book, relative scarcity, the ability to potentially set the top end of the market. However, if you're seeing a disparity in percentage increases, it allows you to diversify across titles - you could buy 5 $200 9.4 books for the same price as 1 $1,000 9.8 book, for example. To me that means if one title tanks for some reason, you're potentially protected by not having all your eggs in one basket.

I also  try to find deals below current Fair Market Values whenever possible in order to make my dollar go farther. Not through nefarious means, but just through targeting a couple of specific titles at a time and really watching sales on the auctions, eBay, etc. to hunt the best deal and find under-priced anomalies. So far the only graded book I've paid above FMV for is Amazing Spider-Man 300, and the upward movement of that book has been so fast-paced that the current FMV already adjusted to be greater than my purchase price, and I bought in only a few weeks ago.

I'm not saying my way is better than anyone's, and I'm sure many seasoned collectors here could probably argue against what I'm saying and poke holes in my reasoning. But so far it's worked for me and I've bought a number of CGC graded books in what I consider really nice grades that I'm proud to own, potentially display, and that should show gains or at least get me my money back if I ever decided to sell.

When I started a couple of months ago though, I tried to limp into the hobby with a really low budget and high expectations, and in doing that, you may find yourself unsatisfied or under-equipped. I'm sure if you looked at my earliest posts here you'd see I made a lot of mistakes and had a lot of bad preconceived notions at first. Since then I changed my philosophy, studied, and diverted investment dollars from some other areas I had money in (I'm a long-time domain name trader for example, and I sold off a few of those recently to re-invest in comics).

At the end if the day, like a lot of things I like to invest in or collect, I typically only buy/collect what I personally like, but with an eye toward also protecting myself from losing out. I also love the quality of a nice encapsulated book, especially when it's something I've always admired or have some kind of memory/experience tied to it.

Sorry, this was a longer post than I intended, but hopefully it helps in some way. And good luck on the journey!

Two of these left at a nearby LCS today. I grabbed the nicest of the two for cover price - looks 9.8 to me, which means it's probably 9.4-9.6. Looks like it's already selling on eBay for around $20, with new listings between $20-$30. If I'd realized that I would have just grabbed them both, but at least someone else can get a good find.

(Not my scan):

A 9.6 went for an astounding $2,550 with 47 bids - that's a bit of an anomaly most likely due to the fact that it's a 9.6 in a really old CGC slab, so the winner is surely hoping to press and regrade into a 9.8. But it's amazing to look at sales in all grades and how this still continues to climb - not just in Buy It Now sales, but in auctions with a high number of bids.

3 minutes ago, ygogolak said:

Again, surprising b/c Marvel hyped the heck out of that book. Biggest hype for a character since Red Goblin. And again they didn't make it clear cut. Seems like X-Force #13 is 1st full to me.

Yeah, that surprised me too because it really was hyped, but I just loved the Ross cover a lot. I think it seems pretty clear cut though, he's got about 4-pages of book time and he's named in it too...

Just now, ygogolak said:

There are a lot of store variants that don't end up selling for more than the initial buy-in. I'm seeing a lot of new blood get caught up in these and the later Marvel printings that are in abundance now. Store variants can be $40-$100 which is way too high for me personally.

Here's a recent personal example though - I just bought a three-cover package of Wolverine 6 (so the A,B and C covers issues of the same comic) for $8 + shipping, so like $12 total, three weeks ago on eBay. I just saw that same package sell for $28.50 today... But on the flip side, I have bought some higher-priced variants recently, but just because I absolutely loved the cover. I don't know, maybe I'm overthinking it.

2 minutes ago, ygogolak said:

Crazy what these are pre-selling for. Perfect example of how people shop, eBay only. The Kickstarter was open order, all you want, for 30 days. The classic figure and comic was $40 + shipping. It's pre-selling for $200+. I expect them to drop some when people get them in hand.

Nearly raised $3.5 million through that campaign.

This is kind of how I feel about modern comics - and tell me if I'm wrong - but it seems like you can pre-order stuff no problem for the most part. but then a year later or whatever you're looking at $5 cover issues going for hundreds... I guess maybe it's a little different because you have to have an inkling of what might get hot, but it's confusing to me to see some books skyrocket to like $600 or more when older (and many times, more relatively scarce, especially in high grade) books can be had for less.

7 hours ago, PeterPark said:

Did this get hacked or something? I haven't been able to get the page to load to see when the last articles were added since at least yesterday. Does anyone know what happened?

Looks like they gave it a facelift, new format. Must have been down while they updated.

I actually just posted this comment last night on another thread (and I've made this comment before too):

My preference on copper books is toward the newsstands, because the closest "comic specialty shop" for me in the 80s was an hour and a half away (and I was still a few years away from being able to drive), so my only option was to buy off the rack at the local drug store and grocery store. So I like buying comics now that represent what I mostly would have had the chance to buy back then.

I think for now it boils down a lot to either personal preference or probably most likely opportunity - best copy for the price, regardless of newsstand or direct. Maybe at some point we'll see a real difference in actual cost/value but I don't know if we're there yet in most cases.

27 minutes ago, Crushingame said:

I think the Direct looks cooler because of the Spidey pic rather than a bar code lol. 
 

That's funny, I posted this in another thread:

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My preference on copper books is toward the newsstands, because the closest "comic specialty shop" for me in the 80s was an hour and a half away (and I was still a few years away from being able to drive), so my only option was to buy off the rack at the local drug store and grocery store. So I like buying comics now that represent what I mostly would have had the chance to buy back then.

I think for now it boils down a lot to either personal preference or probably most likely opportunity - best copy for the price. Maybe at some point we'll see a difference in actual cost/value but I don't know if we're there yet.

4 hours ago, MarkMoon said:

They all look great, but this is such an eye-catching cover. Congrats!

6 minutes ago, valiantman said:

I agree - there isn't much difference.  The question is whether there will be when people realize the difference.  There's no indication in the CGC Census, so I think very few people are aware of the ratios at this point.

What's your stance on the inverse - direct copies in a time when newsstands were the norm? I'm obviously talking about books before this one hit, say early 80s? Take Thor 337 as an example - key book, first appearance, and direct copies seem to be far more scarce than newsstand. Do you think there's a market advantage for people holding direct copies of that book or others like it from a time when newsstands made up a majority of the copies? Or do you see it as a "relative scarcity" of high grade books that were either mangled on spinner racks or destroyed if unsold?

Was happy to pick up a 9.2 from here on the boards recently (it's on its way home to me now) - mostly because I just want a copy of this book in my collection, but also partly because of the recent rumors/reports of Ryan Reynolds signing a massive deal in the MCU. I have zero plans to flip this book; it's a long-term hold for me because, like I said, I want it in my collection. But it'll be interesting to see if this news has any impact on the book.

15 hours ago, Brock said:

I once tried to think up the worst possible Amalgam Comics combinations.

My top (bottom?) three were:

Mr. Fantastic + Plastic Man + Elastic Man = the Fantastic Plastic Elastic

Timber Wolf + Wolverine = Tambourine

Booster Gold + the Juggernaut = the Boogernaut

 

Mr. Mxyzptlk and Dentist - Mr. Mxyzplaque