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Just played around with it for a few minutes for and giggles. Much quicker and more efficient than the previous monstrosity of a sub form. Good change.

What do you mean they changed their labels?

I got you. I thought the AC labels were just a no grade equivalent but could still be encapsulated. Making a little more sense now. They just don't have anything that's an "Auth" label. Either can be graded with qualifiers like "marked"/inked, etc or or not at all. I haven't seen a break down of what they do/do not have so I was trying to relate it to equivalent cards I've seen graded. Thanks.

@PaulS.

So whether or not it's encapsulated depends on the alteration? In this case collector edition cards have square cut corners instead of round but because it looks more similar to an alpha/beta it won't be encapsulated even if there isn't malicious intent? It's less of the fact that it's altered, and more so because the alteration just makes it appear as a different card? I would have assumed if it wasn't auth, it would've gotten a NG instead of an AC. Although this doesn't apply to me in Magic cards but I was struggling to understand the difference as I sub sports cards as well and those are far more often doctored than Magic/Pokemon and the same standards are probably applicable to CSG. Like for example a trimmed 1960/70 card would get an AC grade and be slabbed, but if you stamped something to make it look like a more rare version for example it wouldn't be but might get an AC label as well? That's probably not the best example as I can't think of any of those that were stamped. Let's say instead, someone removed the "Reprint" part on the back of a card. As that would dynamically change the card and it's value to make it appear as a different card. Asking less about grading, but in terms of what I might need to be aware of of I see a slab with an AC designation vs someone with a raw card. Would it would mean there's a larger underlying issue if someone is selling one that isn't slabbed, and I should avoid it? I buy a lot of them as well.

Wouldn't be "altered" if it wasn't auth.

I'm assuming because most other services have a version of this, that's what he was wanting. Trimming a card doesn't make it less real which is the point behind the "Authentic" label. While being ungradable in the sense of a numerical grade, it verifies that it is indeed a legitimate card. Generally speaking in card grading "Authentic" status doesn't really have a lot to do with what the alteration was, color, cutting, etc, that prevented it from receiving a numerical grade. It's simply a yes or no on whether it was an original card. Then price is based on eye appeal. Some cards still have value whether it's trimmed or not if it's rare, and people simply want to confirm that it's an originally printed card regardless of condition. Unless they expressly say on the sub page that they don't encapsulate Authentic/Altered cards he probably feels like he was mislead and paid for nothing. Example being this with the border being to small. Can't get a numerical grade, but just being Authentic makes it worth a decent chunk of money.

Strange to me that a card can receive a grade for being touched with ink but not trimmed under Auth/altered. Such is the case with most other places.

Some had a green label Venusaur on here. He was probably expecting something like that. Let me see if I can find it. Bottom right. Only green label I've seen. I'm not a comic person, but isn't that equivalent of altered? I wasn't aware that it was specifically limited to size like trimming. He was probably expecting something like that. @onlyweaknesskryptonite know you're a comic dude. What is the green?

Customer service said it would be done in August. Then they said it would be done in September. Surprise, surprise it's not done. So what, the 139 day "estimate" is both for what's being sent in and already there?

So are the turnaround times retroactive in terms of an order sent in 139 days ago is going out the door today? Cause I'm sitting at day 127 from an order April 2nd when it was 80. Can't get a straight answer on when this thing will be completed.

I agree with this. I have some items encapsulated, through other services, that even in an "Authentic" no grade state are still worth decent money due to rarity alone. It defeats the purpose of having the label when it isn't encapsulated. A potential buyer is going to look at it through the lens of " I don't know for certain that this label goes to that item". While we don't know every detail of the scenario, I definitely see where he's coming from. It's more of a liability sending him an unencapsulated label than it would be to have slabbed them in my opinion. As he said, what's to stop someone from selling that label with a fraudulent card with the sole purpose of scamming someone. Maybe not a liability for the company in a legal sense, but for whatever poor person might be buying an item like that.

You mean similar to an SGC ""A" label, or PSA "Authentic". Where the card is altered and doesn't warrant a numeric grade but is an actual real card?

I feel like he does a lot of stuff unrelated to his job trying to help us out. Isn't the first time I've wondered why they don't have a dedicated person on the forums trying to cover it. I would think he's high enough up there to have more pressing things to do than deal with issues like this. I'm thankful he takes on the task though. Don't think we'd have anyone if not for him 🤣

I'd contact the postal inspectors. I've had it happen a few times.

They might have some resell value by then 😂

What gets me is the wording. They sound like they're doing you a favor to give you a $50 credit after giving you the shaft. Assuming that you did everything properly, that would have me worked up just on how patronizing that email is 🤣

I'm beginning to wonder what they do guarantee.

I'd use eBay or TCG. It's for raw value of the card for insurance purposes.

Turn around times are wildly inaccurate. 156% over the estimated time on this last order, and that would be if it shipped today. I wouldn't expect, hope, or otherwise think that it'll be anywhere near the current time frame. Walk through and express seem close to accurate, but other than that it's anyone's guess.

At this point, don't care what the grades, QC is like. They can slab them upside down and give them 1s for all I care. Sent in on 80 TAT. Sitting at business day 125, still hasn't shipped. Just need them back 🤣

Your stuff get shipped yet?

Ive noticed it doesn't have a link if it's USPS. FEDEX does, not sure about UPS as I haven't used them for a return.

Can't get a Perfect 10 w/o subs. Seems a little suspect. 5 days, and $10 a card?

That's a CSG order not CGC. That's why I stated it in the original post to avoid confusion. It was just in reference to them billing way in advance, and getting a different story every time I ask for a timeframe on it returning. CGC order delivered the same day hasn't moved since then.