Shark

As if the probie and HOS lists weren't long enough, if you add everyone who was ever put on the list then got off the list, the thread would be 10 pages of just names Just a suggestion, just a suggestion. You're probably right....that list would probably be looooonnnnnngggg.

What about adding a 3rd list below the PL for those who HAD been on the probation list but who have since been removed because they satisfied their obligation(s)? That might take quite some research to figure out who has been added and then removed. Food for thought...

Congrats! I understand that one is hard to find in high grade.

If he goes on the list, there needs to be a way for him to get off the list. If you resell the comics, what options does that leave him? I know it's probably not a popular position, but I'm thinking if you resell them, he's off the hook. The PL isn't about punishment, it's a public place for people who've screwed up to linger until they make right. I don't know Speedy. When I'm selling, I usually need the money to fund some other waste of money... like food, water, gas or my wife. Its should be ok to sell something if the "runaround" is evident. And toyman, I'm not doubting you either... if you say you sent a check and he didnt get it, then maybe that happened. In fairness, all you would have had to do was stop payment on that check, then just send another correct? Easy peasy. But if this is non payment then the majority of us (me and the dogs) feel non payment is PL worthy. I personally want to know this about a person if im the next guy he decides to purchase from... and the PL list is really the only way to know. Heres a way to get him off the list... and I've bought it up as an option to the only person I've ever had to put on the list... Pay whatever the amount owed to a deserving good cause or charity with proof to back up that payment. Right now the Flatrock family would be a logical choice. Of course, theres always the CBLDF or the Hero Initiative that need monetary help too. Just food for munchin' I'm not a fan of the charity route. Yeah, it's a great thing to do, of course. But this is commerce, not charity. It doesn't seem fair to force someone to "throw their money away." They're here to buy comics, let's stick to that. The issue was exchanging money for comics. Why is it fair for the buyer to be forced to exchange his or her money for something he may not want, i.e. the warm fuzzies of charitable giving? I'm still of the opinion that the PL is about getting specific transactions between two people completed. Yeah, I hate charity also. This is the imperfect nature of the PL list. A seller shouldn't be expected to sit on a book indefinitely waiting for a buyer to make good. A buyer should get something for their money, other than a rising Karma meter. If someone should get the raw end of the deal it should be the individual who was naughty. That being said, it should be left up to the two parties involved to come to an agreeable compromise. The issue with that is when one party doesn't want to acquiesce and agree to a PL removal, even after an effort is made to correct the situation. In those cases, the PL list should absolutely be used as a punishment. Bunch of tree huggers in these parts, rainbows and puppies types. If I have to jump through hoops and be stressed out because a seller screws me on a deal and doesn't send my books, why should I be forced to accept future penance. Sometimes there are permanent repercussions to your actions, accept personal responsibility and move on. Sidebar, this is not in response to the above situation, simply the list as a whole. Because that's how the PL works. If you don't like it, or you don't think it'll work in a particular situation, then do something else. Flame them in CG, in all their threads, troll them ... do whatever you want, it's a free country right? But the PL is what it is, and it seems to do a pretty good job. And as we've said before many times, if you're looking for permanent punishment, nominate them for the HoS. The PL is not permanent, it's about putting someone in a holding pen until they've completed their transaction. NOW, GET OFF MY LAWN!!! When did anyone besides yourself come to that conclusion? The purpose of the probation list is to warn the entire community of a problematic boardie. If that warning needs to be long term or even permanent, so be it. If the concensus is someone cant be put on probation because they have no way to get off then just delete the thing. Its a goddam waste of a thread of that point. In fact, i think i might lobby for something i think is very necessary. There should be a minimum term you have to serve on the list AFTER you have satisfied all offended parties. I think that last statement is a great idea. After all, the initial culprit wasted the buyer's/seller's time for at least a month so why shouldn't they serve at least the same amount of time? Sort of an eye for an eye.

So 28 days makes it OK?

I'm curious to find out where you guys are picking up all of these foreign books. Ebay outside the USA?

Now where is that staggering-having-a-heart-attack icon?

Definitely probation worthy, not so much because of the $$ amount but because he makes excuses and lies. Next time it could be a large amount. +1 The guy backed out of an agreed upon deal. That's probation worthy all by itself.

Wow - nice find! (thumbs u

Man! I didn't realize you were THAT old!

1000 pages of This Week Back From CGC.

I'd give him a little more time (since your last attempt to contact was 7 days ago), but at a minimum the seller should at least offer you a partial refund for the overgrading and the missing book.

So where's the 9.9?

Congratulations! Which book is the 9.9?

Man...this probation list just keeps getting longer and longer. Maybe we should just post a list of those buyers and sellers who AREN'T on the list.

I see that the plastic surgery went well.

Man...the colors just POP on these!

If a buyer can't back out of a deal, why should a seller be able to. I vote yes on the seller being added to the probation list. +1

A 9.8 that's 59 years old?

I've seen a lot of perfect pairs in my life but have never had the opportunity to hold them myself.

I would vote no. In fact, if no money ever switches hands I would vote no on even the board transactions. Maybe we need to add a Butthurt section. This could include the deals where we feel our time has been wasted, but that there hasn't actually been a payment made. HOS - True conman territory. Bad guys who have screwed people over multiple times. Probation- Someone took my money & it took months to get the think worked out. They fell off the internet after losing a job or a bad family situation & cannot be trusted. Butthurt- I was the first in the thread to . It's my book & the deal didn't get completed for some reason. Did I lose money? No, but I wasted a valuable 2 minutes of my life time. Similar to if you call a comic shop & reserve something, but when you arrive they can't find it or accidently sold it to another customer. Wasted my time. Sorry, it just seems like people are getting hit up for the probation thread for some pretty minor situations even when they are not bad guys or habitual problems. Just so I am clear on "not being a bad guy" or "a habitual problem": You are saying that it is OK to make a deal with someone, use that deal to milk a higher offer out of someone else, then use that offer to try and milk more money out of the guy that already has a contract on the book, and when that doesn't work, sell it to the 2nd person? That, to me, is way worse than just screwing up or welching on a deal. Way, way worse. +1 Agree 100% with Sean on this one. You're basically condoning his behavior by saying it's a "pretty minor situation".

Hang 'em high.