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Fraud FF 27 in Comiclink auction

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esquirecomics

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yeah Im serious, but I dont care either way. I dont have a pony in this race. But the lower left corner is not identical in both scans.

 

also, the printing spots on Reed would remain for a pretty decent portion of the print run So hundreds or even 1000s of books would have them in the same place.

 

The upper right corner looks folded in in the CGC slab, but unfolded or pressed flat for PGX.

 

The rounded right bottom corner doesnt look rounded to me, but rather the white floor Things foot is standing on.

 

Same right side cut, but really, so what? They cut them all over the place. Thats just one side. To my eye the left side is wrapped differently, so the right side isnt conclusive of more than just one cut being identical.

 

 

what else is there that identifies each book as the same? To me the most convincing argument is that Josh believes it based on the Board's collective opinion about the matter.

 

Guys, do you mind. (tsk) Can we please get back to the more important issues better illustrated above. (:

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esquirecomics

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I don't understand how any reputable auction house or dealer can justify selling anything "graded" by PGX. I guess it all comes down to greed, because common sense obviously has nothing to do with it.

 

As far as I'm concerned Josh and C-Link are as liable in this as PGX and the owner of the book.

 

I wouldn't go so far as to say they are liable, but I am disappointed that PGX books are starting to litter their auctions.

 

I would. :grin:

 

Nice avatar BTW, is there a larger version of it somewhere I could see?

 

You want them LARGER??

 

I don't know about "them", but yes, I'd like to see a larger version of this:

 

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:roflmao: I thought you were talking about DiceX's new avatar!! :roflmao:

 

My bad! :)

 

Ok, well I wouldn't mind seeing a bigger picture of that avatar either, now that you mention it. :grin:

 

hm

 

I had to edit it a little to get it under the 20k allowable size.

Arch needs to give us a little more room.

150x150 in size would be nice too.

 

 

 

 

I agree...Arch!!!...we need more room for boobs!!!... :makepoint:

 

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Of course, I keep finding myself drawn back here so haven't really noticed this thread is about a comic book. :insane:

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esquirecomics

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Its cool that Josh responded by pulling the book...

but are we SURE its the same book? I compared the lower left corner of each scan and it looks to me like they are not exactly identical. I darkened the one with a lighter bkgnd at teh edge of the spine because optically it helps make a visual comparison.

 

So are they the same book??

 

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Seriously, I do see differences in this scan between the two books. The distance between the edge of the book and the boot appear different.

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Im still wondering how this post switched from talking about the FF 27 to boobs? Definitely a nice sight to see though and makes me more "in tuned" I guess we are all boob men in here.. Anyone like booty?

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and the full second toe is present on the CGC copy.

 

This raises quite a dilemna. When the first two scans were posted, I immediately noticed that they were two different comics. Just study the spines.

Now for the difficult part to explain. How can that be? An established CGC Forum member can't possibly be wrong about anything. They have to be the same book because a forum member said they were. Even with an extra full toe showing and the staples in a different position.

This is going to take a scientific explanation. Refraction maybe? Or could the book have been pressed after the PGX slabbing? There seems to be more wear at the bottom staple on the 9.4 version.

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NY_Motor_Dude-migration

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I noticed this forum because there was a post on one of these threads with a direct link there

 

http://www.goldcomics.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/24947/an/0/page/0#Post24947

 

Seems like a related subject if that is the same FF 27. I've bought PGX graded books and thought they were graded comparably to CGC. But did anybody else read this subject on PGX grading? Looks like an interesting thread of the PGX Action 1 being talked about in the Golden age section here.

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DiceX

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Does everyone forget who I am? Question me about a scan?

:sorry:

 

Since you don't believe me, I'll have to illustrate.

On the attachment, I lightened up the dark area to show you the out of focus area.

I drew a line at the edge of the book.

 

If you'll open up your eyes, you can see it in the first scan, and my honor wouldn't have been pushed in the mud.

doh!

 

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brasseye

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Does everyone forget who I am? Question me about a scan?

:sorry:

 

Since you don't believe me, I'll have to illustrate.

On the attachment, I lightened up the dark area to show you the out of focus area.

I drew a line at the edge of the book.

 

If you'll open up your eyes, you can see it in the first scan, and my honor wouldn't have been pushed in the mud.

doh!

 

 

But when the rest of the two books are an exact match on such specific details (shrug)

You don't seem to addressing the other rather obvious match-ups.

 

Also, the issue of the conversation Josh would of had with the consignor. Josh has done a superb job here, but admittedly, he still would of had a good conversation with the consignor before pulling the book. Obviously the consignor said nothing to convince him not to pull the book.

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G.A.tor

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based on the visual evidence, I would conclude with a great deal of confidence, they appear to be the same book, with the second copy having some minor adjustments (like the staple, etc=pressed?), but certainly enough to warrant some further investigation at the very least... if josh/comic link can ascertain from the current owner the history of the book, etc, and establish beyond a shadow of a doubt they are different books, then erroring on the side of caution (by pulling) is probably justified

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They look like the same book to me...

 

The PGX scan is heavily pixelated and not as high quality as the CGC scan. Also, one was scanned against a white background, while the other is against a black background.

 

 

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They look like the same book to me...

 

The PGX scan is heavily pixelated and not as high quality as the CGC scan. Also, one was scanned against a white background, while the other is against a black background.

 

 

The PGX scan is more pixelated because the scanner used to do it does not do as good of a job at focusing on objects that are not directly against the glass.

:gossip:

 

 

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Also, the issue of the conversation Josh would of had with the consignor. Josh has done a superb job here, but admittedly, he still would of had a good conversation with the consignor before pulling the book. Obviously the consignor said nothing to convince him not to pull the book.

 

Did you even think before typing that?

And people wonder how conspiracies get started. (tsk)

 

 

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Well I keep looking left and then right and then left again, and they look the same. Then again it could be the surgery.

 

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Holy hangin hooters Batman!

They're hypnotic!

This is the best thread about fraud I've ever read!

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esquirecomics

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I haven't really spent time comparing the two books. Every time I come to this thread I become distracted.

 

I was just commenting on one difference that I did notice, which is not to say that difference can not be explained away. :gossip:

 

Keep up the good work and find more of those great "things" to share. :banana:

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Can someone who is better in Photoshop than I am show me the spines better? The staples seem different to me, but I am not a Photoshop pro.

 

CGC Spine

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PGX Spine

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Also, the issue of the conversation Josh would of had with the consignor. Josh has done a superb job here, but admittedly, he still would of had a good conversation with the consignor before pulling the book. Obviously the consignor said nothing to convince him not to pull the book.

 

Did you even think before typing that?

And people wonder how conspiracies get started. (tsk)

 

 

For other like minded alarmists as yourself maybe.

 

But I'm afraid it's just plain comercial judgement.

 

Josh was alerted by us, but to think he takes the board as gospel is a ludicrous thought...or just don't know Josh that well.

Regardless of what was established here, he owes his consignor the right of expalanation. Quite a simple concept, no?

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