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Anti Comic Propoganda
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PokerKid

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Some of the things I like to collect are anti comic propoganda. If you have any please post them.

 

The first item has to be:

 

Seduction of the Innocent (1st print- no bibliography)

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Wertham gave this away at a 1953 Baptist convention. Its a general overview of SOTI.

 

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:hail: Nice thread.......Baptist convention......:think: Does anyone know Wertham's religious background? I bet those leaving that con were convinced that comics were "of the devil." It reminds me of logical fallacies and the ol' post hoc fallacy...the event of comic books eventually led to a rise in juvenile delinquency. Not that Baptists should be singled out--plenty of atheists, agnostics, and other religiously persuaded folks have been/are guilty of a lack of thinking. And back in the '50s and '60s they didn't even have the distraction of the world-wide Web or reality TV. :whistle:

 

But as we soon learned, it was really Rock 'n' roll that was responsible for juvenile delinquency, at least until television became the reason for it. But video games, yeah, that's it, violent video games are the real reason for all the juvenile delinquency. (I'm looking forward to the day comics can be to blame again.)

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cloudofwit

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Some of the things I like to collect are anti comic propoganda. If you have any please post them.

 

The first item has to be:

 

Seduction of the Innocent (1st print- no bibliography)

anticomic003.jpg

 

Wertham gave this away at a 1953 Baptist convention. Its a general overview of SOTI.

 

anticomic010.jpg

 

:hail: Nice thread.......Baptist convention......:think: Does anyone know Wertham's religious background? I bet those leaving that con were convinced that comics were "of the devil." It reminds me of logical fallacies and the ol' post hoc fallacy...the event of comic books eventually led to a rise in juvenile delinquency. Not that Baptists should be singled out--plenty of atheists, agnostics, and other religiously persuaded folks have been/are guilty of a lack of thinking. And back in the '50s and '60s they didn't even have the distraction of the world-wide Web or reality TV. :whistle:

 

But as we soon learned, it was really Rock 'n' roll that was responsible for juvenile delinquency, at least until television became the reason for it. But video games, yeah, that's it, violent video games are the real reason for all the juvenile delinquency. (I'm looking forward to the day comics can be to blame again.)

 

Good point. Elvis the Pelvis. He musta had something to do with it. The combo between rock 'n' roll and the boob tube was just too much. Somebody should come up with some video game with Wertham as either a hero or villain. :whistle:

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MR.COMICBOOK

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Some of the things I like to collect are anti comic propoganda. If you have any please post them.

 

The first item has to be:

 

Seduction of the Innocent (1st print- no bibliography)

anticomic003.jpg

 

Wertham gave this away at a 1953 Baptist convention. Its a general overview of SOTI.

 

anticomic010.jpg

 

:hail: Nice thread.......Baptist convention......:think: Does anyone know Wertham's religious background? I bet those leaving that con were convinced that comics were "of the devil." It reminds me of logical fallacies and the ol' post hoc fallacy...the event of comic books eventually led to a rise in juvenile delinquency. Not that Baptists should be singled out--plenty of atheists, agnostics, and other religiously persuaded folks have been/are guilty of a lack of thinking. And back in the '50s and '60s they didn't even have the distraction of the world-wide Web or reality TV. :whistle:

 

But as we soon learned, it was really Rock 'n' roll that was responsible for juvenile delinquency, at least until television became the reason for it. But video games, yeah, that's it, violent video games are the real reason for all the juvenile delinquency. (I'm looking forward to the day comics can be to blame again.)

or hip hop. everybody wants to lead the gangsta life. yeah blame it on hiphop. thier is always something to blame on the youth when its probally the adults wishing they could be young again and having fun like the younger generation has.
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Twistty1

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Some of the things I like to collect are anti comic propoganda. If you have any please post them.

 

The first item has to be:

 

Seduction of the Innocent (1st print- no bibliography)

 

 

Wertham gave this away at a 1953 Baptist convention. Its a general overview of SOTI.

 

 

:hail: Nice thread.......Baptist convention......:think: Does anyone know Wertham's religious background? I bet those leaving that con were convinced that comics were "of the devil." It reminds me of logical fallacies and the ol' post hoc fallacy...the event of comic books eventually led to a rise in juvenile delinquency. Not that Baptists should be singled out--plenty of atheists, agnostics, and other religiously persuaded folks have been/are guilty of a lack of thinking. And back in the '50s and '60s they didn't even have the distraction of the world-wide Web or reality TV. :whistle:

I think Wertham lost his credibility in the later years because he did such a bad job at contextualizing his references.. some were very stretched for the point he was trying to make..that said, there were also many comics of the era that were very graphic and left little to the imagination (as a fellow boardie once told me)..

 

His ideas seemed to ride a wave of sympathy and anit communist hysteria of the time that allowed him to lead his witch hunt against the comic book industry as a whole..

 

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DanDare1-migration

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Twistty1 is right ... (I am his father after all, although he would not want to admit it!) ... There is a much larger context to understanding Dr. Fredric Wertham's actions. One important point is that he was not a true Freudian like most of his psychiatric colleagues, but believed essentially in "childhood innocence" and this made him very concerned about the kinds of "influences" that children were exposed to as they were socialized. It also tended to isolate him from the mainstream psychiatric community. The other child psychiatrists who rose to prominence during this period, Bruno Bettelheim, Erik Erikson. Selma Fraiberg, Anna Freud, and Melanie Klein did not always agree how adults should react to childhood aggression and sexual behavior, but they all felt that such behavior should not be interpreted as being "unnatural". This lack of support from his colleagues frustrated and disappointed Wertham, and in November 1955, he wrote to Karl Menninger, a well-known psychiatrist and the co-founder of the Menninger Foundation in which he said: "It would be nice if you would write on the harm that violence in mass media can do; since so many psychiartists who do not believe that now would be instructed by you." Menninger politely declined the request.

 

There have been many good books on the "comics controversy" in recent years ... Three that I can recommend are:

 

http://www.amazon.com/Fredric-Wertham-Critique-Mass-Culture/dp/157806810X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1226786434&sr=1-1

 

http://www.amazon.com/Ten-Cent-Plague-Comic-Book-Changed-America/dp/B00139XT6Y/ref=dp_kinw_strp_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1226786434&sr=1-4

 

http://www.amazon.com/Seal-Approval-History-Studies-Popular/dp/087805975X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1226786548&sr=1-1

 

This issue has to be understood within the larger context of what historians and social scientists call "The Cycle Of Outrage" that periodically grips countries ... in the 1950s it was the comic book industry's turn. In previous decades it had been the movies ... and to a lesser extent radio. For references see:

 

http://www.amazon.com/Film-Democratic-Art-Garth-Jowett/dp/0240517814/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1226786730&sr=1-1

 

http://www.amazon.com/Children-Movies-Influence-Controversy-Communication/dp/0521041457/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1226786730&sr=1-5

 

http://www.amazon.com/Responses-Innovation-Popular-Argument-Dissertations/dp/0405075332/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1226786966&sr=1-2

 

Happy Reading ...

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thehumantorch

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Twistty1 is right ... (I am his father after all, although he would not want to admit it!) ... There is a much larger context to understanding Dr. Fredric Wertham's actions. One important point is that he was not a true Freudian like most of his psychiatric colleagues, but believed essentially in "childhood innocence" and this made him very concerned about the kinds of "influences" that children were exposed to as they were socialized. It also tended to isolate him from the mainstream psychiatric community. The other child psychiatrists who rose to prominence during this period, Bruno Bettelheim, Erik Erikson. Selma Fraiberg, Anna Freud, and Melanie Klein did not always agree how adults should react to childhood aggression and sexual behavior, but they all felt that such behavior should not be interpreted as being "unnatural". This lack of support from his colleagues frustrated and disappointed Wertham, and in November 1955, he wrote to Karl Menninger, a well-known psychiatrist and the co-founder of the Menninger Foundation in which he said: "It would be nice if you would write on the harm that violence in mass media can do; since so many psychiartists who do not believe that now would be instructed by you." Menninger politely declined the request.

 

There have been many good books on the "comics controversy" in recent years ... Three that I can recommend are:

 

http://www.amazon.com/Fredric-Wertham-Critique-Mass-Culture/dp/157806810X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1226786434&sr=1-1

 

http://www.amazon.com/Ten-Cent-Plague-Comic-Book-Changed-America/dp/B00139XT6Y/ref=dp_kinw_strp_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1226786434&sr=1-4

 

http://www.amazon.com/Seal-Approval-History-Studies-Popular/dp/087805975X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1226786548&sr=1-1

 

This issue has to be understood within the larger context of what historians and social scientists call "The Cycle Of Outrage" that periodically grips countries ... in the 1950s it was the comic book industry's turn. In previous decades it had been the movies ... and to a lesser extent radio. For references see:

 

http://www.amazon.com/Film-Democratic-Art-Garth-Jowett/dp/0240517814/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1226786730&sr=1-1

 

http://www.amazon.com/Children-Movies-Influence-Controversy-Communication/dp/0521041457/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1226786730&sr=1-5

 

http://www.amazon.com/Responses-Innovation-Popular-Argument-Dissertations/dp/0405075332/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1226786966&sr=1-2

 

Happy Reading ...

 

Quite the first post DanDare. For your information Adam seems to be quite proud to have you as his father, he directed me via p.m. to your first and hopefully not last post. This thread is very interesting and I certainly will save it in my favorites.

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comicdonna

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THIS WEBSITE has numerous anti-comic book related material.

 

Anyone know if this website was created by someone here on the boards?

 

Yes. I own the site, but it's had many contributors on & off the boards.

Very nice site! (thumbs u
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