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[Kalel38]

19 minutes ago, SpideyFein said:

The third printings, although there are only 30K or so, are indeed third printings, which devalues the book from the onset. What I mean is that although there are few compared to SA and BA books, it is a reprint. Looking at comic books and reprints, there are a handful of books where second printings are worth money, nevertheless a third printing. I am not being pessimistic, and as you know I'm a turtle lover from the start, but I don't think a 9.4 third print will go much higher. Could it sell for 13-15, yes, but we are then talking 5X what it sold for just two months ago.  3rd prints were inexpensive from the start, so we have to take that into consideration as well. Were third printings undervalued prior to this craze? Most would say no but some would say yes. To have a third printing go for 1K is still nice if you ask me. I predict we see 9.8 third prints top out at 2.5-3K, and that's being generous. I know that's a bold statement to make, considering we are just starting to see the craze ensue, but these are all just predictions, and we all have our theories on where the books will end up. We all love our turtles, so let the good times ride. 

Here’s my prediction and my prediction and no one knows the future values only to say they go up with time. Let’s take a look at the first printing past prices which I have shown. Yes would anyone back then a few years ago even 4-5yrs ago say prices would be where they are now? I mentioned to a good friend of mine early this yr a 9.8 don’t be surprised it could hit 90-100k In the next 2-3yrs which closely did that or close enough this year!!!!!! 2020.... Now as far as 2nd prints and 3rd prints yes they are still the first appearance regardless..They are not reprints they are 2/3rd printings. Reprints are books that are altered books From prices to size of the book or altered art work that were done many many years after the fact the book has been well established.. Is ULTIMATE Fallout 4 2/3rd prints reprints? No point being said. The second print has 6,000 printing which to to me says yes a 9.8 will hit 10-20-30k compare to the first print.. 3rd printing will to me hit 5-10k without a doubt regardless it being 24k more in printing. Superman #1 in 1939 had 2 printings that most dont know about, and no there isn’t a difference that can be seen but the first printings sold so quick they printed many many more in the second run. Would that be considered a reprint then.. of course not.. 

[Kalel38]

4 minutes ago, Kalel38 said:

Here’s my prediction and my prediction and no one knows the future values only to say they go up with time. Let’s take a look at the first printing past prices which I have shown. Yes would anyone back then a few years ago even 4-5yrs ago say prices would be where they are now? I mentioned to a good friend of mine early this yr a 9.8 don’t be surprised it could hit 90-100k In the next 2-3yrs which closely did that or close enough this year!!!!!! 2020.... Now as far as 2nd prints and 3rd prints yes they are still the first appearance regardless..They are not reprints they are 2/3rd printings. Reprints are books that are altered books From prices to size of the book or altered art work that were done many many years after the fact the book has been well established.. Is ULTIMATE Fallout 4 2/3rd prints reprints? No point being said. The second print has 6,000 printing which to to me says yes a 9.8 will hit 10-20-30k compare to the first print.. 3rd printing will to me hit 5-10k without a doubt regardless it being 24k more in printing. Superman #1 in 1939 had 2 printings that most dont know about, and no there isn’t a difference that can be seen but the first printings sold so quick they printed many many more in the second run. Would that be considered a reprint then.. of course not.. 

9.4 first print selling for 4,125 in 2010 and today prob over 30k 2020.. 10yrs is something u can be shocked at but yet prob not.. Superman 1 1.8 sold for 21,000 in 2012 and yet a 1.8 would get u over 100k today.. 

[Charleybrown]

7 minutes ago, Kalel38 said:

9.4 first print selling for 4,125 in 2010 and today prob over 30k 2020.. 10yrs is something u can be shocked at but yet prob not.. Superman 1 1.8 sold for 21,000 in 2012 and yet a 1.8 would get u over 100k today.. 

I was offered a 9.4 for 26k privately. Signed which is not my forte. Id pay 26 for an unsigned.

[Kalel38]

10 minutes ago, Charleybrown said:

I was offered a 9.4 for 26k privately. Signed which is not my forte. Id pay 26 for an unsigned.

Yah I don't blame u. I like my issues that are high grades blue labels untouched..yellow I don't mind but not in high grade #1s 

[pubmonkey]

4 hours ago, Kalel38 said:

Turtles are 35+ yrs old,and this price correction was long overdue in my opinion. You ain’t seen nothing yet 

This is my opinion too... 

1st prints will continue to rise but will never come back down to even today’s prices

2nd prints are going to see a big bump soon, there just aren’t enough of them in high grade.

3rd prints will settle but have a little way to go. 

 

[Callaway29]

[Charleybrown]

1 minute ago, pubmonkey said:

This is my opinion too... 

1st prints will continue to rise but will never come back down to even today’s prices

2nd prints are going to see a big bump soon, there just aren’t enough of them in high grade.

3rd prints will settle but have a little way to go. 

 

All comic books are due for a correction. Not saying in the near term but definitely in the next 5-10yrs. Also, the stock market is on a tear thanks to endless money printing. We shut down the economy and there hasnt been any real pain felt in the streets. To say that theyll never come back down to today's prices..who is going to care about tmnt in 10-20 yrs? 

[pubmonkey]

Just now, Charleybrown said:

who is going to care about tmnt in 10-20 yrs? 

Me for one, my 5 and 7 yr old kids, pretty much all their friends, society in general....

[Kalel38]

9 minutes ago, pubmonkey said:

Me for one, my 5 and 7 yr old kids, pretty much all their friends, society in general....

Haha I got 5 kids to feed said the late great Benny from Total Recall... Ah mess I ain't even married.. 😂

[Kalel38]

13 minutes ago, Charleybrown said:

All comic books are due for a correction. Not saying in the near term but definitely in the next 5-10yrs. Also, the stock market is on a tear thanks to endless money printing. We shut down the economy and there hasnt been any real pain felt in the streets. To say that theyll never come back down to today's prices..who is going to care about tmnt in 10-20 yrs? 

Who's going to care about the turtles in 10-20yrs?? The ones who,have a first print and the ones who missed out .. Drop the mic....

[Charleybrown]

12 minutes ago, pubmonkey said:

Me for one, my 5 and 7 yr old kids, pretty much all their friends, society in general....

Thats all possible but what makes you think kids growing up today are going to be connected to a comic book that they never read and will want to spend a ton of money to get it? Thats the ten thousand dollar question. i think the answer is they wont. Im just a rich guy buying dumb mess. I dont think this is a good investment at this point. Anyone with brains is selling into this market.

[Charleybrown]

4 minutes ago, Kalel38 said:

Who's going to care about the turtles in 10-20yrs?? The ones who,have a first print and the ones who missed out .. Drop the mic....

You can care about them. I will as well but people are talking about this book like its going to keep going up and up after going up 100% in a matter of months

[SpideyFein]

@Kalel38 Providing comics continue to appreciate as they have in the last 20 years, your predictions may be right, but 9.8 third printings fetching 5- 10K would be wild. Please know I would love to see them rise like you. Again, these are all predictions and we could have good conversations and fun with it. I agree with you that is indeed a first appearance, but it’s not the same as the 1st printing. Up until this wild bump, the turtle’s biggest, no one was going crazy for 3rd prints or seconds for that matter. We shall see where it goes. 

[Kalel38]

1 minute ago, Charleybrown said:

Thats all possible but what makes you think kids growing up today are going to be connected to a comic book that they never read and will want to spend a ton of money to get it? Thats the ten thousand dollar question. i think the answer is they wont. Im just a rich guy buying dumb mess. I dont think this is a good investment at this point. Anyone with brains is selling into this market.

If it's not a good investment Charlie then why did u post looking for a 8.0-9.6 TMNT 1... We all know this TMNT 1 is a grail a white whale and there is a huge following to the Turtles as there is to Spider-Man.. It's like saying who's going to care about Batman in 10-20yrs that's the most absurd thing I would have to say also.. Every collector has a new one behind them and if someone is willing to spend 20-50k for a book today who is to stop someome from spending 100k no one.. Action comics 1 went over and beyond a million over 8yrs ago and who would have thought it would no one. There is no limit when it comes who and how much a collector is willing to spend its all relevant to what a person has and is willing to spend.. So yes the ones who got in early are the lucky ones...

[Kalel38]

7 minutes ago, Charleybrown said:

You can care about them. I will as well but people are talking about this book like its going to keep going up and up after going up 100% in a matter of months

Look what hulk 181 did a few years ago it went crazy for months doubling in prices and now stabilised. Every book does but the thing some collectors don't realise is this TMNT 1 first print was extremely low which is like Action comics 1 of our time to,say the least. And any grade that is over 9.0 is scarce. Supply and demand is what prompted this book and will continue to do so as supply's are not enough to keep up with demand which is why the first prints are fetching incredible prices. Next best thing is the second print to 3rd..All tides lift all ships 

[Charleybrown]

4 minutes ago, Kalel38 said:

If it's not a good investment Charlie then why did u post looking for a 8.0-9.6 TMNT 1... We all know this TMNT 1 is a grail a white whale and there is a huge following to the Turtles as there is to Spider-Man.. It's like saying who's going to care about Batman in 10-20yrs that's the most absurd thing I would have to say also.. Every collector has a new one behind them and if someone is willing to spend 20-50k for a book today who is to stop someome from spending 100k no one.. Action comics 1 went over and beyond a million over 8yrs ago and who would have thought it would no one. There is no limit when it comes who and how much a collector is willing to spend its all relevant to what a person has and is willing to spend.. So yes the ones who got in early are the lucky ones...

Im not buying it as an investment. I have a first print now but would like another nicer copy. I came here to see if anyone was selling any copies and I see everyone saying its going to be the next AF 15 or Action Comics 1 lol. Action Comics 1 is 80yrs old. People were not collecting books back then. Look at how many high graded copies of TMNT there are? I have disposable income to drop on another copy but do i think its a sound investment? Hell No. I could do a lot of other things with 20-50k that would be 100x more financially sound than hold on to a comic for 10yrs. My AMD, Amazon, and Alibaba stock that I bought a few years ago is doing slightly better than TMNT 1! Is it an awesome collectible and an iconic piece of comic book history? hell yes!

[Charleybrown]

7 minutes ago, Kalel38 said:

Look what hulk 181 did a few years ago it went crazy for months doubling in prices and now stabilised. Every book does but the thing some collectors don't realise is this TMNT 1 first print was extremely low which is like Action comics 1 of our time to,say the least. And any grade that is over 9.0 is scarce. Supply and demand is what prompted this book and will continue to do so as supply's are not enough to keep up with demand which is why the first prints are fetching incredible prices. Next best thing is the second print to 3rd..All tides lift all ships 

Eventually the tide comes in...the second and third print speculation is purely that. People paying a premium for 2nd and 3rd prints will be getting hosed like Marcellus in Pulp fiction, ball gag and all. Its nice to get one if you cant afford a first print but its almost like people paying thousands of dollars for opened graded video games. 

[Subby1938]

49 minutes ago, pubmonkey said:

Me for one, my 5 and 7 yr old kids, pretty much all their friends, society in general....

The turtles will not be relevant in 20-30 years . The generations that grew up with them will be old and they won’t matter 

 

don’t ever compare tmnt with Batman , superman or Spiderman as those characters have been touching generation after generation . The turtles have not . As a matter fact nobody gave  about them in late 90s to early 2000s they virtually disappeared and they have not been strong in modern times either with new  movies and other advertising . It’s a hard book to find but very inflated markets right now I’m staying clear of this mess.

Edited August 16, 2020 by Subby1938

[ADAMANTIUM]

2 minutes ago, Subby1938 said:

The turtles will not be relevant in 20-30 years . The generations that grew up with them will be old and they won’t matter 

seeing how each generation has had a version of turtles, I don't think that your math is complete...... 40 years from now this generation who has the turtles will be just as old as the followers that were 1st introduced to the TMNT.......  

[Subby1938]

I grew up with turtles . Fizzled out in 1990s -2000s with bare bones sales hell Image comics has to try breath life into them then IDW. They still are on fumes . Nowhere near hype of 1985-1990. Not even close 

Edited August 16, 2020 by Subby1938