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The Unofficial Underground Comix thread...
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This begs a question since I didn't buy the box. Was the #16 printed in the boxset a separate volume or part of what appears to be Volume 4 in the set? If it is such, then the #16 that FB just released is a 'first thus', as it's the first stand alone version of #16. The one in the boxset is the first appearance of #16 and technically the first edition, because it's not a reprint. Since #16 on it's own has a couple pages not appearing in the boxset, it would be '1st Thus' or 'revised'. I don't believe it's gone into a second printing yet, though.

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This begs a question since I didn't buy the box. Was the #16 printed in the boxset a separate volume or part of what appears to be Volume 4 in the set? If it is such, then the #16 that FB just released is a 'first thus', as it's the first stand alone version of #16. The one in the boxset is the first appearance of #16 and technically the first edition, because it's not a reprint. Since #16 on it's own has a couple pages not appearing in the boxset, it would be '1st Thus' or 'revised'. I don't believe it's gone into a second printing yet, though.

 

I think it was stand alone.

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So are there 2 versions of Zap #16 in the box set? One as part of volume 4 and one as a standalone copy in a special compartment with the other bonuses? I've not heard of that before.

 

This eBay listing pretty much acts as an "unboxing" of the set.

 

Zap Box set on eBay

 

Even though the sealed packs are still sealed, I don't see where there could be a separate stand alone version of Zap #16, and the label itself doesn't read like there is a stand alone copy included. I always just assumed it was a stand alone book in the box set.

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So are there 2 versions of Zap #16 in the box set? One as part of volume 4 and one as a standalone copy in a special compartment with the other bonuses? I've not heard of that before.

 

This eBay listing pretty much acts as an "unboxing" of the set.

 

Zap Box set on eBay

 

Even though the sealed packs are still sealed, I don't see where there could be a separate stand alone version of Zap #16, and the label itself doesn't read like there is a stand alone copy included. I always just assumed it was a stand alone book in the box set.

 

 

Making the recently issued Zap #16 either a 1st Thus, or 1st Revised Edition, technically speaking, since it does contain material not found in the true 1st edition, i.e. Chapter whatever in the boxed set. I knew it couldn't be as 50 surmised, but having not seen an open set, and he saying he had one, I thought something must be lost in our communication somewhere down the line. To answer the original question, then, there is no 2nd printing yet of the standalone Zap #16.

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OK, my memory is going a bit, I haven't opened the set and looked at it since I first got it. I went ahead and pulled out the boxes of my sets (one opened and one sealed, both the signed deluxe sets). So it's not separate (the separate item I was thinking of was the signed edition HC book bonus, it contains an additional book not in the regular boxed set, which contains signed plates and was limited to 250 copies, my opened one being #91/250), it's included in Vol. IV, it's in the oversized hard cover book. But there are differences. Seems that they switch the order of a couple of the stories for one, but in the soft cover they included several new pages.

 

Here's an interesting story. I preordered the deluxe signed set from Fantagraphics directly and one set from Amazon and received both of them in the mail. A few weeks later I get another deluxe signed set in the mail. I'm wondering where this one came from? I contact Patrick Rosenkranz and ask maybe he had them send me one for some reason, since he helped put it together? He tells me no. I read that Charles Plymell wasn't included on the list of contributors that got a complimentary copy and thought that's kind of screwed up because without him and Don Donahue, who's already passed away (and ever Bob Branaman who introduced the two to each other), there would have never been a Zap Comix. So I anonymously sent one of the sealed sets to Plymell (they sent me a thank you gift to the return address with my name, so I guess they figured it out). Then I get an e-mail from Fantagraphics stating they accidentally sent me two of the sets and that they wanted me to send one of the sets back to them. I explained that I had shipped it as a gift to Charles Plymell, and I no longer had one of the sets. Now you can hate me for getting three of the sets for the price of two. That doesn't happen every day, especially with something that cost that much.

 

Here's a pic. of the soft cover (smaller) on the left next to the pages of the larger HC edition on the right.

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Sweet story. FB is famously bad at shipping stuff correctly. Most of the time it's items that are either packed poorly and damaged or books are missing. Looks like you got the big win!

 

I'm pretty sure you wouldn't have been liable for anything sent to you by mistake or unsolicited. Crazy story and I'm envious. No way can I afford one, let alone two, of those sets. I decided to take matters into my own hands.

 

My complete Zap is a two volume DIY bind that includes, so far, tipped in signatures of Wilson, Spain, Moscoso and Griffin with Mavrides and Williams signing on my front endpapers.

 

Back in the mid-80's when The Art Of Rock book was published, the main 5 poster artists had a benefit where they signed a bunch of stuff, and this was before Moscoso started charging. I had a couple things signed by him, one of which was a business card stamped with his logo that he signed, very graciously, and I had tipped into his monograph, Sex, Rock and Optical Illusions.

 

The card I tipped into my first volume of Zap is a ticket from the benefit that featured music from Jerry Garcia and a few others. It was signed not only by Moscoso and Griffin, but also Stanley Mouse and Alton Kelley. So while the latter two had nothing to do with Zap, whoever inherits my binds gets a little bonus, I suppose. Now I need to fly over to France and get Crumb and Shelton to complete the dream!

 

Also, in volume 2 of Zap, my #15 is signed by Wilson, Mavrides, Spain and Williams, so it's a nutty melange, to be sure!!!

 

Someday I hope Fantagraphics will release The Zap Story volume as a stand alone book. Until then, it's my only regret in not being able to buy a Zap Box. So it goes, but since FB always finds a way to recycle stuff, I'm feeling optimistic that it will happen sooner rather than later.

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Moscoso was the hold out that didn't sign the deluxe set, I think he wanted more for each signature than they were willing to pay. But I've got a few comix with his signatures in them anyway.

 

From what I understand he was the keeper of the stats, and the main reason the set was so deluxe and expensive. Therefore it's baffling that he was the hold out of the surviving contributors about the signature aspect.

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Thanks for sharing 50c :golfclap: the lady ordered it this morning I showed her the link.

She has most (but likely not all) of the source material, but even at a high price point this was too good to pass up. Best, Justin (Om)

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What are the odds this book is too big for encapsulation? I honestly have not researched further into it, but part of (even) me is like what is the point of trying to slab it?

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My 2c- clearly the vast majority (but not all) of the material in Zap Comix #16 was collected into the hardcover volumes and the hardcover volumes intended to be the first in print. The source material is important.

 

However, IMHO collectors will collect the standalone copy in the same way we collect "The Collected Adventures of" Freak Brothers #1 and not the LA Free Press newspapers (though not to say those are not sought after in their own right). I believe the prestige squarebound $14.99 cover price (March, 2016) will be seen as a first printing 'comic' in its own right.

 

For what it is worth, the best 2 copies I received were from Midtown Comics out of NYC (15% off http://www.midtowncomics.com/store/dp.asp?PRID=1482337 ).

 

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Got my 2 copies at Last Gasp the day they posted it in their inventory. One is amongst my other Zap 1st prints, and the other is at the bindery with #9-15 about to become a permanent member of my book shelf, if not already, as it's been there almost a month so I'm expecting the call any day. I also consider #16 a 1st, but technically, I'm really not convinced that's the right way to classify it. The bibliomaniac in me is fighting the UG collector occupying the same space......sounds like a job for therapy, eh?

 

Complete Wimmen's is on my back burner. I have most of the issues involved and having gone back through a few of them, and doing a bit of a re-read, I'm not feeling the urgency to buy a copy of the set right away. There are a few other books higher on my need-to-have list at the moment.

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Sweet story. FB is famously bad at shipping stuff correctly. Most of the time it's items that are either packed poorly and damaged or books are missing. Looks like you got the big win!

 

I'm pretty sure you wouldn't have been liable for anything sent to you by mistake or unsolicited. Crazy story and I'm envious. No way can I afford one, let alone two, of those sets. I decided to take matters into my own hands.

 

My complete Zap is a two volume DIY bind that includes, so far, tipped in signatures of Wilson, Spain, Moscoso and Griffin with Mavrides and Williams signing on my front endpapers.

 

Back in the mid-80's when The Art Of Rock book was published, the main 5 poster artists had a benefit where they signed a bunch of stuff, and this was before Moscoso started charging. I had a couple things signed by him, one of which was a business card stamped with his logo that he signed, very graciously, and I had tipped into his monograph, Sex, Rock and Optical Illusions.

 

The card I tipped into my first volume of Zap is a ticket from the benefit that featured music from Jerry Garcia and a few others. It was signed not only by Moscoso and Griffin, but also Stanley Mouse and Alton Kelley. So while the latter two had nothing to do with Zap, whoever inherits my binds gets a little bonus, I suppose. Now I need to fly over to France and get Crumb and Shelton to complete the dream!

 

Also, in volume 2 of Zap, my #15 is signed by Wilson, Mavrides, Spain and Williams, so it's a nutty melange, to be sure!!!

 

Someday I hope Fantagraphics will release The Zap Story volume as a stand alone book. Until then, it's my only regret in not being able to buy a Zap Box. So it goes, but since FB always finds a way to recycle stuff, I'm feeling optimistic that it will happen sooner rather than later.

 

Please show pix if you get a chance. I love the idea of this sort of personalized DIY volume.

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While wandering in and out of what is left of good second hand stores along Haight Street this afternoon I stumbled onto a nice, and nicely priced, cache of old underground newspapers circa 1968-69 titled The San Francisco Express Times in an anarchist book shop.

 

There are a lot of comics and cartoons from Ron Cobb, Jaxon and a few others sprinkled throughout the radical political commentary, poetry, fiction and music reviews. I hadn't seen this newspaper before so I did a little research on it when I arrived home and found that it was the precursor to a paper called Good Times that lasted until 1972.

 

I then found a documentary about Good Times on line and saw that it contained a couple of shots of UG in it's natural habitat on a stand and in a rack, so I thought I'd share some grabs of the shots here, for posterity!

 

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Does anyone remember when the determination of printings for Cherry was changed? The original Fogel guide stated that all the first printings of #1-11 had different cover prices from the 2nd and later printings (except for #7, which you had to look at a back cover ad to tell). The Update that came out in 2010 states that other than #1 and #2, the other issues between #3-11 had several printings with the $2.50 cover price.

 

Was just discussing this with a fellow underground collector via e-mail and was wondering when this change was determined. Not challenging it because I have no idea!

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