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PROBATION DISCUSSIONS
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HarveySwick

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110 Votes:

Yes - 99 (90%)

No - 11 (10%

 

List updated.

 

There is one piece of house keeping that needs to be discussed. Since HusTruck has been added to the Hall of Shame, should his name be removed from the Probation List or should it remain in both lists? hm

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110 Votes:

Yes - 99 (90%)

No - 11 (10%

 

List updated.

 

There is one piece of house keeping that needs to be discussed. Since HusTruck has been added to the Hall of Shame, should his name be removed from the Probation List or should it remain in both lists? hm

 

To avoid confusion, I'd remove him from the PL list. Kind of like dismissing the shop lifting charges when the guy gets convicted of murder.

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Iceman399

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Can we create 3 polls to figure it out?

 

:facepalm::D . In all seriousness, which usually never am, I think Harvey did a great job.

 

He knows I am bugging him. Hows that mystery box Swickles :P

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110 Votes:

Yes - 99 (90%)

No - 11 (10%

 

List updated.

 

There is one piece of house keeping that needs to be discussed. Since HusTruck has been added to the Hall of Shame, should his name be removed from the Probation List or should it remain in both lists? hm

 

To avoid confusion, I'd remove him from the PL list. Kind of like dismissing the shop lifting charges when the guy gets convicted of murder.

 

I disagree. As a general principle, addition to the HOS vs PL stem from two separate actions brought by different parties...one by an individual, and one by the community. Addition to the HOS is not simply an "upgraded" charge.

 

A better analogy for me is to think of domestic violence charges brought by an individual victim (a civil court action, I believe) vs. domestic violence charges brought by "the state". The initiation of criminal charges by the state doesn't terminate the individual's action against the perpetrator.

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Having said that, I realize that in practical terms it probably doesn't matter 99% of the time whether they're removed from the PL or not when added to the HOS...I'm just arguing a technical point.

 

But...I have seen some confusion arise when HOS automatically removes someone from the PL...Menace was the case, I believe...if someone gets voted back off the HOS after being put there, it's easy to forget to put them back on the PL. Seems cleaner to just keep the PL removal criteria consistent...the individual that put them there has to take them off. (shrug)

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I agree. I say he remains on both lists. The PL list he can always get off of by making restitution to the buyer he wronged. He can get himself off of the HOS by a long history of good behavior and positive contributions to the boards. In theory at least.

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I agree. I say he remains on both lists. The PL list he can always get off of by making restitution to the buyer he wronged. He can get himself off of the HOS by a long history of good behavior and positive contributions to the boards. In theory at least.

 

I agree. PL and HOS are separate entities with different requirements and different ways for removal. We need the PL presence to stand in order to keep track of wrongs against individual members. A good first step (by no means the only step) would be making restitution to those individuals.

 

 

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Having said that, I realize that in practical terms it probably doesn't matter 99% of the time whether they're removed from the PL or not when added to the HOS...I'm just arguing a technical point.

 

But...I have seen some confusion arise when HOS automatically removes someone from the PL...Menace was the case, I believe...if someone gets voted back off the HOS after being put there, it's easy to forget to put them back on the PL. Seems cleaner to just keep the PL removal criteria consistent...the individual that put them there has to take them off. (shrug)

 

I searched a while but could not find the Menace PL nomination. Any idea what that link is?

 

If we can find it, it may be a good idea to contact the original PL nominator and see if they want them re-added or if restitution has already been made.

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Having said that, I realize that in practical terms it probably doesn't matter 99% of the time whether they're removed from the PL or not when added to the HOS...I'm just arguing a technical point.

 

But...I have seen some confusion arise when HOS automatically removes someone from the PL...Menace was the case, I believe...if someone gets voted back off the HOS after being put there, it's easy to forget to put them back on the PL. Seems cleaner to just keep the PL removal criteria consistent...the individual that put them there has to take them off. (shrug)

 

I searched a while but could not find the Menace PL nomination. Any idea what that link is?

 

If we can find it, it may be a good idea to contact the original PL nominator and see if they want them re-added or if restitution has already been made.

This will put you in the ballpark POV

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=7234139#Post7234139

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Having said that, I realize that in practical terms it probably doesn't matter 99% of the time whether they're removed from the PL or not when added to the HOS...I'm just arguing a technical point.

 

But...I have seen some confusion arise when HOS automatically removes someone from the PL...Menace was the case, I believe...if someone gets voted back off the HOS after being put there, it's easy to forget to put them back on the PL. Seems cleaner to just keep the PL removal criteria consistent...the individual that put them there has to take them off. (shrug)

 

I searched a while but could not find the Menace PL nomination. Any idea what that link is?

 

If we can find it, it may be a good idea to contact the original PL nominator and see if they want them re-added or if restitution has already been made.

This will put you in the ballpark POV

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=7234139#Post7234139

 

Yep...that's the ballpark of the discussion. Also, from the list records themselves,

 

Here's where Menace was added to the PL (12/6/13): http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=7233670#Post7233670

 

Here's where he was "upgraded" to the HOS and removed from the PL (12/21/13): http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=7279751#Post7279751

 

Here's where he was removed from the HOS and not returned to the PL (1/9/14): http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=7334798#Post7334798

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Having said that, I realize that in practical terms it probably doesn't matter 99% of the time whether they're removed from the PL or not when added to the HOS...I'm just arguing a technical point.

 

But...I have seen some confusion arise when HOS automatically removes someone from the PL...Menace was the case, I believe...if someone gets voted back off the HOS after being put there, it's easy to forget to put them back on the PL. Seems cleaner to just keep the PL removal criteria consistent...the individual that put them there has to take them off. (shrug)

 

I searched a while but could not find the Menace PL nomination. Any idea what that link is?

 

If we can find it, it may be a good idea to contact the original PL nominator and see if they want them re-added or if restitution has already been made.

 

Here you go:

 

JDub requests PL for Menace

 

joecgcmaniac starts HOS Poll for Menace

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Yep...that's the ballpark of the discussion. Also, from the list records themselves,

 

Here's where Menace was added to the PL (12/6/13): http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=7233670#Post7233670

 

Here's where he was "upgraded" to the HOS and removed from the PL (12/21/13): http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=7279751#Post7279751

 

Here's where he was removed from the HOS and not returned to the PL (1/9/14): http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=7334798#Post7334798

 

Here's where it was discussed that since he was moving to the HOS, he should be removed from the PL: http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=7279914#Post7279914

 

Around here is where people were thinking that the HOS addition was not warranted: http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=7280345#Post7280345

 

Looks like it would be quite a mess to go back and figure out whether all of his individual PL offenses were rectified...not sure that would be a worthwhile exercise at this point. The bigger point is that it's just an illustration of why someone shouldn't be removed from the PL when put on the HOS...just makes things too convoluted.

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