Ethics

[joeypost]

How about being able to post vile lies about fellow board members and there being no consequences?

 

What's that have to do with flipping books?

 

Thought the question was about ethics in general on these boards

 

I actually think that is more important than flipping.

 

My understanding of FT's initial post was about us behaving positively as a community.

 

Okay, just wanted clarification.

 

I understand where FT's coming from and, while I do feel a sold book is the new owners property to do with as they please, I can also understand the no-flip sentiment. I have purchased a few books I've thought about flipping here, though I doubt any are from earlier than 3-4 months ago. But even so, I am reluctant to do so even though they are my property & I should be able to do so if I choose. These weren't haggle puchases, simply purchases.

 

I wanted to take a moment to especially agree with the highlighted section. I agree with FT in that the seller might feel slighted if a quick flip was done on here and yet the line drawn as to how much time should pass is a personal thing and is different for everyone.

 

(thumbs u

 

Good points all.

 

 

I'm trying to figure out what color to paint my little corner of hell. I might go with green. Seems to be the color of choice with some boardies.

[Old Fashion PB and J]

Your ok in my book Joey (thumbs u

 

A few others in this conversation I just see them posting in a discussion about and ethics and

[joeypost]

Your ok in my book Joey (thumbs u

 

A few others in this conversation I just see them posting in a discussion about and ethics and

 

I may have to try living in their world for a change just to figure out the logic behind what they do. Not sure if I can stoop to that level, so for the time being I just have to be tolerant.

[VintageComics]

I agree that green is a popular color especially nowadays with the tough economic times around us.

 

Still, Lou loves green dress covers so it seems to be a popular color for many people for different reasons.

 

 

 

[Old Fashion PB and J]

Your ok in my book Joey (thumbs u

 

A few others in this conversation I just see them posting in a discussion about and ethics and

 

I may have to try living in their world for a change just to figure out the logic behind what they do. Not sure if I can stoop to that level, so for the time being I just have to be tolerant.

I will pass. I sleep well at night, and dont have anyone pizzed off because they feel I skrewed them over.

[Calamerica]

If anyone buys something from me, they can sell it the next minute for 10x what they paid me for it. It isn't my book anymore, it is theirs.

[trmoore54]

Here's a question though along these lines:

 

A person buys a collection / group of comics but really only wants say 1 or 2 issues from the entire lot. S/He breaks up the lot, and the flips all of the other books they didn't want here on boards--maybe making more money than they sold for, maybe breaking even, or maybe just defraying the costs. So what do you think: is this kosher or no?

 

Does the same thing matter if it's on eBay? I think ALL would think not...FT's points are acknowledged...there should be a little bit better sense of the "all for one, one for all" here as a community...

 

I think there is quite a bit more leeway on a batch of books and expectation on the seller's part that the person is (a) only interested in one or a few of the books and will sell the rest and or (b) is looking for some inventory to flip but may well invest in the individual time and trouble to sell them individually or in smaller lots...

[trmoore54]

I myself could care less if I post a book and a person buys it and flips it.

 

What I would not care for if someone gave me some BS story about this is the last book they need for their collection, but if I could knock off $XX dollars they could buy. If I did that and they flipped it they I'd be

 

If the buyer just PM'd me and said I'll take it for only this amount and I do the deal and they flipped it. Again to me that isn't a problem. They weren't lying to me. They weren't crying in their beer to me about how important the book is to them. They just wanted it at a lower price. If they then sold it at a higher price, well good for them. Just my

 

Well said... (thumbs u

 

I've had plenty of my OO's sold fairly soon after i sold them - so what?? I cannot remeber a single person trying to give me a line of BS in order to get the prices down.

 

Except maybe G-Man, of course.....

 

This is absolutely ethical...buyer is looking for his best price, regardless of reason, seller has every right to decline the offer and hold out for "his/her price"...everything above board and on the table... (thumbs u

[DrWatson]

I may have to try living in their world for a change just to figure out the logic behind what they do. Not sure if I can stoop to that level, so for the time being I just have to be tolerant.

No you don't. Times change people don't. Leopards... spots.

[COI]

Why is this thread 8 pages?

 

When I hand over cash for something, the person I give the cash to can do whatever the he wants with it, and I can do whatever the I want to do with my newly acquired property. It's very simple.

 

I've said it many times, and I'll say it again; collecting in itself in inherently capitalistic. You can color the pursuit of comics with as much sentimentality, bromantic poetry, or nostalgia as you want, but ultimately it's all avarice. I'm not saying that collectors can't be generous, or that there aren't any transactions done through friendship, but ultimately people collect for gain, whether financial or otherwise.

 

Comics are not essentials and no one collects for charity. If someone gives you a sob story to try to get a book cheaper, keep that in mind. He really, truly doesn't NEED the book, and if he's asking for a price that's lower than what YOU need, politely decline. If you decide to take the price, send the book and move on.

[namisgr]

Why is this thread 8 pages?

 

When I hand over cash for something, the person I give the cash to can do whatever the he wants with it, and I can do whatever the I want to do with my newly acquired property. It's very simple.

 

Sure, it's simple, when that's all there is to it. The less clear situations arise when a board member asks for a "special" discount on a book, because they claim to be either friends with the seller or specialist collectors who have to have that book but can't afford the asking price. When this book gets flipped immediately, the original seller may feel they were taken advantage of. I think it's these instances that are the most interesting to consider.

 

Still think it's cool of the flipper?

[Rocketeer]

but ultimately people collect for gain, whether financial or otherwise.

 

 

...that's not true,..I collect for hobby purposes,..I consider the money I spend as discretionary income spent for entertainment purposes just like a movie or a night out for dinner/drinks....I do not expect to make a profit nor do I even consider getting my money back...If all my books were worth nothing tomorrow so be it...I think a lot of people feel the same as well,...

[COI]

a board member asks for a "special" discount on a book, because they claim to be either friends with the seller or specialist collectors who have to have that book but can't afford the asking price. When this book gets flipped immediately, the original seller may feel they were taken advantage of. I think it's these instances that are the most interesting to consider.

 

Read the rest of my post, please. I addressed that.

 

Still think it's cool of the flipper?

 

No it isn't cool, but mess happens. We are all in this for some sort of gain, and if some people choose to be a little more tactless with how they go about getting what they want out of this hobby, make a note of it and move on. Or you can just protect yourself from the get-go and not sell books for less than you need for them. You're not denying baby formula to a destitue mother; these are over-valued pieces of newsprint for Christ's sake.

 

[COI]

but ultimately people collect for gain, whether financial or otherwise.

 

 

...that's not true,..I collect for hobby purposes,..I consider the money I spend as discretionary income spent for entertainment purposes just like a movie or a night out for dinner/drinks....I do not expect to make a profit nor do I even consider getting my money back...If all my books were worth nothing tomorrow so be it...I think a lot of people feel the same as well,...

 

Then you're still collecting to gain books, hence the term "otherwise". I collect the same way as you, but it's still capitalistic.

 

[DarkKnightReturns]

How about being able to post vile lies about fellow board members and there being no consequences?

 

What's that have to do with flipping books?

 

I think it was about defamation of character through libelous accusations of the vilest kind. It happened not half an hour ago.

Would someone like to shine a little light on what you Brits are talking about :shrug:

 

My bad - should have posted the comment somewhere else. Basically one board member accused another of being a child molester in more than one post - then the mods pulled that thread (the Forum Scams one).

 

The same accusations have also been made in the sales forum.

 

 

Yet another day in the loony bin begins.

 

Where have you been - began for me hours ago

 

I decided to sleep in today. I didn't know the show was going to start this early.

 

I slept in today too. Hopefully its not about my MJ avatar

[RockMyAmadeus]

All this talk about "once you buy it it's yours to do with as you wish"....while perfectly true...is truly just not the point.

 

It's a simple matter of class. If you're a classy person, you won't lie about your motives to secure something for a better price.

 

If you're a classy person, you won't buy something from someone and then instantly flip it in the same venue before (insert acceptable time limit here.)

 

If you're not classy, you won't do those things.

 

If everyone were classy, this discussion wouldn't exist.

 

Easy. Cheesy.

[Mr.Diggler]

(thumbs u

[COI]

All this talk about "once you buy it it's yours to do with as you wish"....while perfectly true...is truly just not the point.

 

It's a simple matter of class. If you're a classy person, you won't lie about your motives to secure something for a better price.

 

If you're a classy person, you won't buy something from someone and then instantly flip it in the same venue before (insert acceptable time limit here.)

 

If you're not classy, you won't do those things.

 

If everyone were classy, this discussion wouldn't exist.

 

Easy. Cheesy.

 

Sure, but being a "classy" or cool person is another discussion entirely.

 

 

[COI]

Here's a situation; person A wants to buy a book from person B. Person A really wants the book, but he has spent a fotune this month on other stuff, and doesn't think he can swing the full price. He contacts person B, explains how much he genuinely wants the book, and asks for a discount. Person B reluctantly agrees, and the deal is done.

 

A couple of weeks later, person A's wife sees his credit card statement and goes apee. They get into a huge blowout about their finances. Person A, in order to keep harmony in his household, decides to action off all of his recent purchases, including the book he bought from person B. The book sells for SUBSTANTIALLY more than he paid.

 

Does this scenario explain all instances of flipping? Of course not. Does some variation of this scenario happen from time to time? Without a doubt.

 

Motives can be hard to decipher, especially when you're dealing with someone online. The best thing, IMO, is to sell for a price you can live with and forget about the book once it's gone. People have profited off of me in the past; god bless em'.

[RockMyAmadeus]

 

A classy person would explain the situation to the seller when it came up, and the classy seller will remember there are exceptions to every rule.....

 

A REALLY classy person would split the difference on the profit with the seller, of his own accord...

 

Have to? No. Wrong if you don't? Of course not. But an act of classiness that could get you elevated to sacred cow status? Absolutely!

 

Classiness covers a multitude of sins, to paraphrase.....