oakman29 Posted June 22, 2011 Share Posted June 22, 2011 Nice GA collection Gator. Definitely books published before the World World 2 paper drive are in the least supply. Bronze age is definitely common...but 9.8's are nice though. Well, at least late 50's and early 60's DC are more scarce than early 60's Marvels. The demand for SA is there to meet the supply...time will tell....and the average trend is still up for top SA keys since the inception of the OSPG. the top keys definitely have great demand, but let's not kid ourselves... there is ample supply to meet that demand across all grades, albeit at prices that are cyclical!...now the truly upper echelon, well, we'll see more and more copies comes to market over the years to come and I am sure demand will soak them up, but at what price I am starting to get a feel that the movie hype bubble for a lot of these books is about to burst. example for the last 2 to 5 years Avengers,Iron Man,Cap,Thor and Green Lantern have been fueled by upcoming movie hype. Well the movies have come and for the most part are now gone. Sure some people made money short term with them, but now what? Keeping in tune with this thread, Showcase 22 was rare light years before the movie hype started. It has no bubble to burst and it will always be in high demand as long as collectors are breathing. But we already know this. (thumbs u There are always going to be spikes/lulls in prices,but quality high grade keys such as a SC #22 will always be in demand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimik Posted June 22, 2011 Author Share Posted June 22, 2011 another thing to consider is that there are still TONS of SA books in collections that are 1)not graded 2)owners currently have no intention of grading 3)exist in high high grades my buddy freddy that sold me his under copy, has 25+ af15's (2 that are easy 9.0 and maybe 9.4+ candidates with pressing)...at least 10 asm1's, half dozen ++ of every other key (I bet he has 50+ hulk 181's, most all high grade...dozens of GS xmen and xmen 94, etc), all of which his "personal" copy is at least a 9.0+ of each and that is just one friend of mine... extrapolate that out and one realizes that silver and bronze really are not "rare", and even in current high graded condition are probably just the tip of the iceberg... then, throw in pressing potential and one can see why I like to collect Golden age mid grade What about GA collections, though. Looking at the number of "new" copies of Action #1 and Detective #27 that have surfaced over the past couple of years, there are probably a lot of GA collections lurking in the weeds as well. In any case, it will be interesting to see how the market holds up over the next decade as more of these collections start to surface as the Boomers begin to retire en masse. Speed dating for seniors will be "How much is your comic collection worth" from now on instead of what is in your investment portfolio! we will probably be seeing more and more GA too, but this is a SA forum so I limited my response to that era Gotcha, but I like hearing words of wisdom from you re: GA as well. Some of us will end up there eventually. (thumbs u Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peewee22 Posted June 22, 2011 Share Posted June 22, 2011 another thing to consider is that there are still TONS of SA books in collections that are 1)not graded 2)owners currently have no intention of grading 3)exist in high high grades my buddy freddy that sold me his under copy, has 25+ af15's (2 that are easy 9.0 and maybe 9.4+ candidates with pressing)...at least 10 asm1's, half dozen ++ of every other key (I bet he has 50+ hulk 181's, most all high grade...dozens of GS xmen and xmen 94, etc), all of which his "personal" copy is at least a 9.0+ of each and that is just one friend of mine... extrapolate that out and one realizes that silver and bronze really are not "rare", and even in current high graded condition are probably just the tip of the iceberg... then, throw in pressing potential and one can see why I like to collect Golden age mid grade What about GA collections, though. Looking at the number of "new" copies of Action #1 and Detective #27 that have surfaced over the past couple of years, there are probably a lot of GA collections lurking in the weeds as well. In any case, it will be interesting to see how the market holds up over the next decade as more of these collections start to surface as the Boomers begin to retire en masse. Speed dating for seniors will be "How much is your comic collection worth" from now on instead of what is in your investment portfolio! we will probably be seeing more and more GA too, but this is a SA forum so I limited my response to that era Gotcha, but I like hearing words of wisdom from you re: GA as well. Some of us will end up there eventually. (thumbs u Not me...I bleed Silver not Gold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illustrious Posted June 22, 2011 Share Posted June 22, 2011 Is there a resource that shows the print runs of the Silver Age DC and Marvel keys or is scarcity determined by how many copies of a particular issue are on the census? Im asking because some have mentioned SC22 and the other DC keys are a bit rarer and I'm wondering how that's determined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.A.tor Posted June 22, 2011 Share Posted June 22, 2011 Is there a resource that shows the print runs of the Silver Age DC and Marvel keys or is scarcity determined by how many copies of a particular issue are on the census? Im asking because some have mentioned SC22 and the other DC keys are a bit rarer and I'm wondering how that's determined. there is really nothing "rare" about SC22...it is a relative thing... SC22 is "rarer", than say AF15 in terms of existing copies in the marketplace, but it is not "rare" (except currently marketplace HG copies)... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
showcase22gr1959 Posted June 22, 2011 Share Posted June 22, 2011 (edited) Is there a resource that shows the print runs of the Silver Age DC and Marvel keys or is scarcity determined by how many copies of a particular issue are on the census? Im asking because some have mentioned SC22 and the other DC keys are a bit rarer and I'm wondering how that's determined. there is really nothing "rare" about SC22...it is a relative thing... SC22 is "rarer", than say AF15 in terms of existing copies in the marketplace, but it is not "rare" (except currently marketplace HG copies)... Illustrious was referring to DC SA Keys print runs being lower than Marvels SA Keys. SC22 and AF15 can be bought anytime of the day and not to mention other SA keys. Definitely more folks kept Marvels than DCs (especially pre-65) In my books, SC22 in 7.0+ or AF15 in 6.0+ are the point where it becomes scarce to obtain and the price jumps. Regarding GA, you just can't find unrestored grails in low grades and the high grades are a few. The Gators knows GA very well. Edited June 22, 2011 by showcase22gr1959 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.A.tor Posted June 22, 2011 Share Posted June 22, 2011 dc books from the 50's (even late 50's) were definitely smaller print runs than their 1960's marvel counterparts... compare to say, TOS 1 and maybe about the same... someone had done some print run research and posted at one point, but I never gave it much attention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComicConnoisseur Posted June 22, 2011 Share Posted June 22, 2011 (edited) Nice GA collection Gator. Definitely books published before the World World 2 paper drive are in the least supply. Bronze age is definitely common...but 9.8's are nice though. Well, at least late 50's and early 60's DC are more scarce than early 60's Marvels. The demand for SA is there to meet the supply...time will tell....and the average trend is still up for top SA keys since the inception of the OSPG. the top keys definitely have great demand, but let's not kid ourselves... there is ample supply to meet that demand across all grades, albeit at prices that are cyclical!...now the truly upper echelon, well, we'll see more and more copies comes to market over the years to come and I am sure demand will soak them up, but at what price I am starting to get a feel that the movie hype bubble for a lot of these books is about to burst. example for the last 2 to 5 years Avengers,Iron Man,Cap,Thor and Green Lantern have been fueled by upcoming movie hype. Well the movies have come and for the most part are now gone. Sure some people made money short term with them, but now what? Keeping in tune with this thread, Showcase 22 was rare light years before the movie hype started. It has no bubble to burst and it will always be in high demand as long as collectors are breathing. But we already know this. (thumbs u I hear ya, but I don`t think it will ever be as hot as it was 2009-10. Now with that being said I see new life in GL#7 as it has become apparant after watching the GL movie that Sinestro is much more interesting than Hal Jordan is in the grand scheme of things.If you ask anybody what was the best thing about the GL movie? They will answer back Sinestro! (thumbs u Edited June 23, 2011 by ComicConnoisseur Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peewee22 Posted June 22, 2011 Share Posted June 22, 2011 dc books from the 50's (even late 50's) were definitely smaller print runs than their 1960's marvel counterparts... compare to say, TOS 1 and maybe about the same... someone had done some print run research and posted at one point, but I never gave it much attention Just purchased a B&B1 in 7.0. A '55 print. Surprisingly, it is the highest graded (6 of them). Now that's rare.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boba Posted June 22, 2011 Share Posted June 22, 2011 Just got back from seeing the movie again. I have to say I enjoyed it, and I picked up on a few things I missed while staring at all the eye candy the first time. I took a die-in-the-wool Marvel guy with me and was prepared to be abused. He actually liked it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Knight Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 I hope I dont get any tomatoes, but I did liked the Green Lantern movie more than X-Men 1st Class Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foolkiller Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 The thing about Gold is, as I've mentioned before, is that despite it being scarce, I could care less about owning most of it or not, scarcity and all. The covers are cool on some of the books, and I like the early Batman/Tec/Action/Superman, some Timelys (Schomburg) and some of the weird esoteric stuff. But for the most, I think most of it is really schlock. I have no connection to it and identify with none of the characters beyond the main ones. I think old books that have great preservation are unique in their own right, but even though there's lots more SA to come out, I think the current market is better prepared to absorb it. As the core GA collectors get older, I see fewer and fewer deep pocketed collectors having much interest beyond the truly core stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.A.tor Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 The thing about Gold is, as I've mentioned before, is that despite it being scarce, I could care less about owning most of it or not, scarcity and all. The covers are cool on some of the books, and I like the early Batman/Tec/Action/Superman, some Timelys (Schomburg) and some of the weird esoteric stuff. But for the most, I think most of it is really schlock. I have no connection to it and identify with none of the characters beyond the main ones. I think old books that have great preservation are unique in their own right, but even though there's lots more SA to come out, I think the current market is better prepared to absorb it. As the core GA collectors get older, I see fewer and fewer deep pocketed collectors having much interest beyond the truly core stuff. and yet it seems year after year, more and more "new" and "former" sa collectors move to gold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foolkiller Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 The thing about Gold is, as I've mentioned before, is that despite it being scarce, I could care less about owning most of it or not, scarcity and all. The covers are cool on some of the books, and I like the early Batman/Tec/Action/Superman, some Timelys (Schomburg) and some of the weird esoteric stuff. But for the most, I think most of it is really schlock. I have no connection to it and identify with none of the characters beyond the main ones. I think old books that have great preservation are unique in their own right, but even though there's lots more SA to come out, I think the current market is better prepared to absorb it. As the core GA collectors get older, I see fewer and fewer deep pocketed collectors having much interest beyond the truly core stuff. and yet it seems year after year, more and more "new" and "former" sa collectors move to gold Enh. I think that's more "hype" than anything else. There's a small pool of folks who move over to collect "the best". I don't see many see Captain Marvel collectors. To me, the vast majority of GA is going the way of Westerns etc. It's inflated in the guide overall, and even most of the non key mid range books of the major titles have shown little interest or movement in sales. Sure, some guys move to Timelys etc. But new folks entering in the market are generally going to SA/BA for vintage, not Gold. And I think the real question isn't why some people move over, but why more people aren't collecting Gold at all. There aren't "more and more" folks moving over. There are some, but nearly enough interest to support the vast majority of material which exists out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.A.tor Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 The thing about Gold is, as I've mentioned before, is that despite it being scarce, I could care less about owning most of it or not, scarcity and all. The covers are cool on some of the books, and I like the early Batman/Tec/Action/Superman, some Timelys (Schomburg) and some of the weird esoteric stuff. But for the most, I think most of it is really schlock. I have no connection to it and identify with none of the characters beyond the main ones. I think old books that have great preservation are unique in their own right, but even though there's lots more SA to come out, I think the current market is better prepared to absorb it. As the core GA collectors get older, I see fewer and fewer deep pocketed collectors having much interest beyond the truly core stuff. and yet it seems year after year, more and more "new" and "former" sa collectors move to gold Enh. I think that's more "hype" than anything else. There's a small pool of folks who move over to collect "the best". I don't see many see Captain Marvel collectors. To me, the vast majority of GA is going the way of Westerns etc. It's inflated in the guide overall, and even most of the non key mid range books of the major titles have shown little interest or movement in sales. Sure, some guys move to Timelys etc. But new folks entering in the market are generally going to SA/BA for vintage, not Gold. And I think the real question isn't why some people move over, but why more people aren't collecting Gold at all. There aren't "more and more" folks moving over. There are some, but nearly enough interest to support the vast majority of material which exists out there. matter of perspective, I guess...I see far more GA collectors approaching me at shows and inquiring about books than ever before... and I hear the "I used to collect spider-man" or whatever... that said, it is a matter, as mentioned, of perspective... will AF 15 demand always be greater than most any GA book... sure... will the affodability factor of most SA and BA keep a "majority" of collectors buying that genre...likely.... but, I see more former SA collectors asking about Gold, PM'ing me, etc etc, that is looks plenty bright imo... and no one has collected captain marvel in a decade plus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Captain Posted June 24, 2011 Share Posted June 24, 2011 I hope I dont get any tomatoes, but I did liked the Green Lantern movie more than X-Men 1st Class (thumbs u I really liked X-Men 1st Class and hope you are right. Can't wait to see it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Captain Posted June 24, 2011 Share Posted June 24, 2011 The thing about Gold is, as I've mentioned before, is that despite it being scarce, I could care less about owning most of it or not, scarcity and all. The covers are cool on some of the books, and I like the early Batman/Tec/Action/Superman, some Timelys (Schomburg) and some of the weird esoteric stuff. But for the most, I think most of it is really schlock. I have no connection to it and identify with none of the characters beyond the main ones. I think old books that have great preservation are unique in their own right, but even though there's lots more SA to come out, I think the current market is better prepared to absorb it. As the core GA collectors get older, I see fewer and fewer deep pocketed collectors having much interest beyond the truly core stuff. and yet it seems year after year, more and more "new" and "former" sa collectors move to gold Enh. I think that's more "hype" than anything else. There's a small pool of folks who move over to collect "the best". I don't see many see Captain Marvel collectors. To me, the vast majority of GA is going the way of Westerns etc. It's inflated in the guide overall, and even most of the non key mid range books of the major titles have shown little interest or movement in sales. Sure, some guys move to Timelys etc. But new folks entering in the market are generally going to SA/BA for vintage, not Gold. And I think the real question isn't why some people move over, but why more people aren't collecting Gold at all. There aren't "more and more" folks moving over. There are some, but nearly enough interest to support the vast majority of material which exists out there. matter of perspective, I guess...I see far more GA collectors approaching me at shows and inquiring about books than ever before... and I hear the "I used to collect spider-man" or whatever... that said, it is a matter, as mentioned, of perspective... will AF 15 demand always be greater than most any GA book... sure... will the affodability factor of most SA and BA keep a "majority" of collectors buying that genre...likely.... but, I see more former SA collectors asking about Gold, PM'ing me, etc etc, that is looks plenty bright imo... and no one has collected captain marvel in a decade plus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VintageComics Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 The thing about Gold is, as I've mentioned before, is that despite it being scarce, I could care less about owning most of it or not, scarcity and all. The covers are cool on some of the books, and I like the early Batman/Tec/Action/Superman, some Timelys (Schomburg) and some of the weird esoteric stuff. But for the most, I think most of it is really schlock. I have no connection to it and identify with none of the characters beyond the main ones. I think old books that have great preservation are unique in their own right, but even though there's lots more SA to come out, I think the current market is better prepared to absorb it. As the core GA collectors get older, I see fewer and fewer deep pocketed collectors having much interest beyond the truly core stuff. and yet it seems year after year, more and more "new" and "former" sa collectors move to gold Enh. I think that's more "hype" than anything else. There's a small pool of folks who move over to collect "the best". I don't see many see Captain Marvel collectors. To me, the vast majority of GA is going the way of Westerns etc. It's inflated in the guide overall, and even most of the non key mid range books of the major titles have shown little interest or movement in sales. Sure, some guys move to Timelys etc. But new folks entering in the market are generally going to SA/BA for vintage, not Gold. And I think the real question isn't why some people move over, but why more people aren't collecting Gold at all. There aren't "more and more" folks moving over. There are some, but nearly enough interest to support the vast majority of material which exists out there. matter of perspective, I guess...I see far more GA collectors approaching me at shows and inquiring about books than ever before... and I hear the "I used to collect spider-man" or whatever... that said, it is a matter, as mentioned, of perspective... will AF 15 demand always be greater than most any GA book... sure... will the affodability factor of most SA and BA keep a "majority" of collectors buying that genre...likely.... but, I see more former SA collectors asking about Gold, PM'ing me, etc etc, that is looks plenty bright imo... and no one has collected captain marvel in a decade plus +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimik Posted June 25, 2011 Author Share Posted June 25, 2011 (edited) The thing about Gold is, as I've mentioned before, is that despite it being scarce, I could care less about owning most of it or not, scarcity and all. The covers are cool on some of the books, and I like the early Batman/Tec/Action/Superman, some Timelys (Schomburg) and some of the weird esoteric stuff. But for the most, I think most of it is really schlock. I have no connection to it and identify with none of the characters beyond the main ones. I think old books that have great preservation are unique in their own right, but even though there's lots more SA to come out, I think the current market is better prepared to absorb it. As the core GA collectors get older, I see fewer and fewer deep pocketed collectors having much interest beyond the truly core stuff. and yet it seems year after year, more and more "new" and "former" sa collectors move to gold Enh. I think that's more "hype" than anything else. There's a small pool of folks who move over to collect "the best". I don't see many see Captain Marvel collectors. To me, the vast majority of GA is going the way of Westerns etc. It's inflated in the guide overall, and even most of the non key mid range books of the major titles have shown little interest or movement in sales. Sure, some guys move to Timelys etc. But new folks entering in the market are generally going to SA/BA for vintage, not Gold. And I think the real question isn't why some people move over, but why more people aren't collecting Gold at all. There aren't "more and more" folks moving over. There are some, but nearly enough interest to support the vast majority of material which exists out there. matter of perspective, I guess...I see far more GA collectors approaching me at shows and inquiring about books than ever before... and I hear the "I used to collect spider-man" or whatever... that said, it is a matter, as mentioned, of perspective... will AF 15 demand always be greater than most any GA book... sure... will the affodability factor of most SA and BA keep a "majority" of collectors buying that genre...likely.... but, I see more former SA collectors asking about Gold, PM'ing me, etc etc, that is looks plenty bright imo... and no one has collected captain marvel in a decade plus +1 Foolish fanboys. Edited June 25, 2011 by kimik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boba Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 The thing about Gold is, as I've mentioned before, is that despite it being scarce, I could care less about owning most of it or not, scarcity and all. The covers are cool on some of the books, and I like the early Batman/Tec/Action/Superman, some Timelys (Schomburg) and some of the weird esoteric stuff. But for the most, I think most of it is really schlock. I have no connection to it and identify with none of the characters beyond the main ones. I think old books that have great preservation are unique in their own right, but even though there's lots more SA to come out, I think the current market is better prepared to absorb it. As the core GA collectors get older, I see fewer and fewer deep pocketed collectors having much interest beyond the truly core stuff. and yet it seems year after year, more and more "new" and "former" sa collectors move to gold Enh. I think that's more "hype" than anything else. There's a small pool of folks who move over to collect "the best". I don't see many see Captain Marvel collectors. To me, the vast majority of GA is going the way of Westerns etc. It's inflated in the guide overall, and even most of the non key mid range books of the major titles have shown little interest or movement in sales. Sure, some guys move to Timelys etc. But new folks entering in the market are generally going to SA/BA for vintage, not Gold. And I think the real question isn't why some people move over, but why more people aren't collecting Gold at all. There aren't "more and more" folks moving over. There are some, but nearly enough interest to support the vast majority of material which exists out there. matter of perspective, I guess...I see far more GA collectors approaching me at shows and inquiring about books than ever before... and I hear the "I used to collect spider-man" or whatever... that said, it is a matter, as mentioned, of perspective... will AF 15 demand always be greater than most any GA book... sure... will the affodability factor of most SA and BA keep a "majority" of collectors buying that genre...likely.... but, I see more former SA collectors asking about Gold, PM'ing me, etc etc, that is looks plenty bright imo... and no one has collected captain marvel in a decade plus +1 Foolish fanboys. you guys are mavericks, willing to break from the herd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
