Dishonest Seller

[comicdonna]

This guy is a known shill. He has been banned from the CGC message boards on at least 7 different occasions. He has started multiple posts under multiple different accounts making comments he knows to be false in an attempt to slander my name. He has won tens of thousands of dollars of items of mine on eBay under at least 5 different names (the latest of which is Filterisgay) and has ruined what would've been otherwise legitimate 5 figure sales in no reserve auctions more than once. He's sent physical threats, pornographic PMs, harrassed me on Myspace, insulted my girlfriend the list goes on and on. All because he didn't like something I said/did years ago when I tried to get involved because I didnt like the fact that he stole money from another board member.

 

What part of I was not trying to sell him this book is not being understood? And why is it not being understood?

This is terrible, Adam. It would make my day to see him physically threaten me at the NYCC.

 

He often makes it to the bigger shows.

 

He has been stalking Adam for nearly 2 years from what I know. He's not listening to reason as Adam is a nice guy and has a good heart. Instead he is simply doing it because he gets enjoyment out of trying to give someone a hard time. In this case the authorities definitely should be notified.

 

Oh, he's going to NYCC. I have great respect for Adam. That's why this makes me angry.

[Flaming_Telepath]

It can't be one way or the other. Is there any difference between telling someone that a book isn't for sale but you can make an offer and putting a book up for sale with no sale price and an undisclosed reserve? If the undisclosed reserve is prohibitively high then that book is not for sale? So just because Adam has offered this book around and has told folks that he wants $40,000 for it is not for sale? And here he solicits a guy for an offer but the book isn't for sale?

 

I guess taking your logic to the it's ultimate ambition, everything is for sale. Everything has some price, whether that price is a favor, barter or blackmail. Price doesn't necessarily need to be in relationship to money.

 

If a book is in someone's collection, and not a part of inventory, but as a favor you sell it to someone who wants it more, that book was actually not for sale and then it became "for sale" the moment it was offered. For instance, Billy Parker's MMC #9 was not for sale but it became for sale when Primetime wanted it.

 

Also, if a book was bought for investment and for resale at a later date (perhaps around the time of a movie release), that book too is not for sale until the later date approaches but if someone wants to offer the "later date price" I'm sure that book too will come up "for sale" with the right offer. For instance, Cap #1 in 6.5 is not really for sale, as the book was likely bought because it was a long term investment but if someone wants to pay a fair (but strong price) then they might be able to purchase the book.

 

I think that both cases might even apply to this particular book.

 

I think you're being a stickler on the term "for sale" and it really isn't my fault or Adam's fault (nor do I see it as an oxymoron). It's the fault of the English language for not being able to convey intentions or time with the words "For Sale".

 

Maybe a better way of phrasing it would have been to say "I wasn't planning on selling this book right now but I'm happy to listen if you want to make an offer and maybe I'll change my mind".

 

 

And yes it was condescending. It was meant that way.

 

I was just wondering why you had the sharp edge as I thought it was a pretty edgy post. Maybe I said or did something to tick you off, unknowingly? But hey, if that's what you intended then whatever floats your boat.

 

 

Actually, it's all a lot simpler than that...

 

The book is for sale at the right price.

 

Or...

 

The book is not for sale at any price.

[VintageComics]

Actually, it's all a lot simpler than that...

 

The book is for sale at the right price.

 

Or...

 

The book is not for sale at any price.

 

Fair enough.

 

I'd think that there are very few people who can actually say that a book is not for sale at any price and so I just think it is generally assumed by most that almost everyone has a price point for a comic.

 

 

 

 

[Mark 1]

Why is a known scammer (royig) still able to post on this forum? I hope by Monday he is banned (again).

 

I feel badly for Adam and some here (IMHO) are focusing on the wrong issues on this thread. I don't see that Adam did anything wrong in this situation.

 

My largest comic purchase was with Adam. He was nothing short of amazing when dealing with me and my neuroses about buying anything from someone online or thousands of miles away. We are talking over 2 grand and while that isn't as much as some drop on books...it was more than I've spent on a comic.

 

Adam never pressured me, always answered my questions, took my phone calls and was just a really nice person about the whole deal.

 

I wish more people out there were like Adam when buying comics. Some of the "honest dealers" in Foolkillers thread might be reputable but some don't have the people and service skills that Adam has.

 

I hate to see someone harassed like this. I hope it ends soon.

[Mr.Diggler]

eek! what is this?

 

 

Gee, thanks! I guess today must be lets rip on Filter day....

Diggler you meanie

 

filter81

[VintageComics]

Adam never pressured me, always answered my questions, took my phone calls and was just a really nice person about the whole deal.

 

Adam is a gentle soul that would take the short end of a stick just to keep the peace.

 

I think the law needs to get involved if there is going to be continuing harassment.

 

I'm sure that Adam is more than willing to make peace, but if someone continues to harass then law enforcement is the next step.

 

That's my

[Vtcomics]

The same amount of explaining has to take place when a restored book is raw versus it being in a holder. Difference is you can show a person the work raw versus what the label states. Hopefully the restoration paperwork (that somehow always disappears) comes along with the book.

 

You can't tell me that this type of sale is a smooth and easy one.

 

Imagine it going like this

 

Customer "Is the book restored"

 

Feel free to insert "answer here". Well, humada, humada, not according to my sole discretion but because everybody who sold it before me said that dot of color touch isn't really there I believe that it's not really there.

 

Feel free to insert "CGC Answer here". Customer "Is the book restored".

 

Well, Sole discretion states that technically this is a blue label that normally means unrestored but in this case it isn't.

 

Turn around, put book back into box or back on wall.

 

Take another bite out of Big Mac.

 

 

Bob,

 

I have a lot of respect for you and this post is written with love. And I'm not going to debate the merits of blue label vs purple label with you because quite frankly I think the view points of both sides have merit. Personally I've never had a really strong opinion about label notes one way or the other. But its clear to me that your blatent resto-phobia is affecting your usually calm, even-tempered demeanor and your judgement is becoming affected!!

 

Sure, there are always buyers who won't buy a book with label notes. But in my experience, the majority of buyers don't really care. (In my opinion a book that has one dot of glue that doesn't affect the book or grade in any way is less restored than a book that has been super-heated to 300 degrees and smooshed from an 8.0 into a 9.4 but I guess everyone will have their own opinions!)

 

To compare this book with a hypothetical scenario where a dealer says "color touch isn't there because I believe it isn't there" is crazy and makes no sense. The CT is noted right on the label. The CGC label doesn't say "there's no color touch to see here, move along" On blue label books with notes, the information is there, and the buyer is able to make an informed decision and come to their own conclusions regarding whether or not they are interested in the book.

 

There's no undisclosed information. To me the idea that if a book has a dot of glue or ct so minor that the appearance/grade of the book is not enhance in any way it becomes looked at as a defect instead of restoration makes sense. (Should a book be more desirable if instead of a small dot of glue it had a big piece of tape? Because that wouldn't be restoration right?)

 

In any event, all the information is available to the buyer. So really I guess it all comes down to value. As a hypothetical, if someone were to take the Mile High Action 1 and put one tiny red dot of ct on the cover, how much should its value drop? $1million? $2million? Should it be worth less than the 8.0 that just sold now? No restored Action 1 has ever sold for more than $150k. And 2.5s sell for more than that now. So I guess the Mile High copy is now worth less than that 2.5 with the mold and giant piece out of the cover. (Stupid dot!)

 

Getting back to the Cap 1 in the thread, how much should its value be affected by the label note? Well, first it is my understanding that it only goes into a blue label if the work done is so minor that it does not enhance the appearance or grade of the book. Second, my understanding is the label notes are treated as a "defect". I remember having a discussion with someone once about a MMC5 CGC 4.0 with a small dot of color touch, where I was told the grade was dropped 0.5 because of the CT and if you cut the piece of the cover with the CT off the new grade would be 4.5.

 

I'm not sure if this is true, but if it is, what would the grade have been on this Cap 1? 7.0? So have the label notes already been factored in to the value of the book?

 

Or to put it another way, if you had to choose between these two copies you're saying my copy should be valued at a fraction of what the other one is worth? Despite the tanning, lesser PQ, and giant pencil erasure marks? Because if I were looking at these two copies in hand and the price was the SAME, I'd buy my copy all day long and twice on Sundays, invisible restoration or not!

 

 

 

 

 

ditto.

 

the offw cream copy looks like a cat had a scratchathon on the left side of the book.

 

A blue label is a blue label under specific rules and regulations put into place by CGC.

 

Sure it may vary a tad with regard to ages of said book but it's the closest given grade to look of book company I can think of and I have alot of respect for their parameters.

 

The eye appeal on Adams copy wins in my mind.

 

 

But if ppl want to cry anout GA blue label parameters, I guess they can always go hunt down a copy of said book with same grade in a PGX or other holder.........

 

 

Just don't be surprised when said book is RESUBBED to a company like CGC and comes back 2.0 grade points lower, with a purple label for trimming and colour touch.

 

 

Rich

 

Rich are you refering to filter81's book? if so, this really proves my point that I was almost a victim of fraud.

 

 

Oh now THAT is funny! How in hell are you not taking it up the arse in prison right now?

[AbsoluteCarnage]

eek! what is this?

 

 

 

 

If nothing else, this post proves he is indeed Harold aka alleybat & 34 other known aliases.

 

 

Nobody should be arguing in the defense of this fall down fkk in the @$$ who ripped someone off for 4,000usd at one time and sent an empty box instead of a batman # 1 cgced.

 

 

 

Harold light yourself on fire tonight, video record it and get your sister to put it on youtube with background music of Nine Inch Nails - Hurt.

 

 

Maybe then........

 

you will get the attention in youtube responses you so desperately seek. ........ No guarantees though.

[AbsoluteCarnage]

The same amount of explaining has to take place when a restored book is raw versus it being in a holder. Difference is you can show a person the work raw versus what the label states. Hopefully the restoration paperwork (that somehow always disappears) comes along with the book.

 

You can't tell me that this type of sale is a smooth and easy one.

 

Imagine it going like this

 

Customer "Is the book restored"

 

Feel free to insert "answer here". Well, humada, humada, not according to my sole discretion but because everybody who sold it before me said that dot of color touch isn't really there I believe that it's not really there.

 

Feel free to insert "CGC Answer here". Customer "Is the book restored".

 

Well, Sole discretion states that technically this is a blue label that normally means unrestored but in this case it isn't.

 

Turn around, put book back into box or back on wall.

 

Take another bite out of Big Mac.

 

 

Bob,

 

I have a lot of respect for you and this post is written with love. And I'm not going to debate the merits of blue label vs purple label with you because quite frankly I think the view points of both sides have merit. Personally I've never had a really strong opinion about label notes one way or the other. But its clear to me that your blatent resto-phobia is affecting your usually calm, even-tempered demeanor and your judgement is becoming affected!!

 

Sure, there are always buyers who won't buy a book with label notes. But in my experience, the majority of buyers don't really care. (In my opinion a book that has one dot of glue that doesn't affect the book or grade in any way is less restored than a book that has been super-heated to 300 degrees and smooshed from an 8.0 into a 9.4 but I guess everyone will have their own opinions!)

 

To compare this book with a hypothetical scenario where a dealer says "color touch isn't there because I believe it isn't there" is crazy and makes no sense. The CT is noted right on the label. The CGC label doesn't say "there's no color touch to see here, move along" On blue label books with notes, the information is there, and the buyer is able to make an informed decision and come to their own conclusions regarding whether or not they are interested in the book.

 

There's no undisclosed information. To me the idea that if a book has a dot of glue or ct so minor that the appearance/grade of the book is not enhance in any way it becomes looked at as a defect instead of restoration makes sense. (Should a book be more desirable if instead of a small dot of glue it had a big piece of tape? Because that wouldn't be restoration right?)

 

In any event, all the information is available to the buyer. So really I guess it all comes down to value. As a hypothetical, if someone were to take the Mile High Action 1 and put one tiny red dot of ct on the cover, how much should its value drop? $1million? $2million? Should it be worth less than the 8.0 that just sold now? No restored Action 1 has ever sold for more than $150k. And 2.5s sell for more than that now. So I guess the Mile High copy is now worth less than that 2.5 with the mold and giant piece out of the cover. (Stupid dot!)

 

Getting back to the Cap 1 in the thread, how much should its value be affected by the label note? Well, first it is my understanding that it only goes into a blue label if the work done is so minor that it does not enhance the appearance or grade of the book. Second, my understanding is the label notes are treated as a "defect". I remember having a discussion with someone once about a MMC5 CGC 4.0 with a small dot of color touch, where I was told the grade was dropped 0.5 because of the CT and if you cut the piece of the cover with the CT off the new grade would be 4.5.

 

I'm not sure if this is true, but if it is, what would the grade have been on this Cap 1? 7.0? So have the label notes already been factored in to the value of the book?

 

Or to put it another way, if you had to choose between these two copies you're saying my copy should be valued at a fraction of what the other one is worth? Despite the tanning, lesser PQ, and giant pencil erasure marks? Because if I were looking at these two copies in hand and the price was the SAME, I'd buy my copy all day long and twice on Sundays, invisible restoration or not!

 

 

 

 

 

ditto.

 

the offw cream copy looks like a cat had a scratchathon on the left side of the book.

 

A blue label is a blue label under specific rules and regulations put into place by CGC.

 

Sure it may vary a tad with regard to ages of said book but it's the closest given grade to look of book company I can think of and I have alot of respect for their parameters.

 

The eye appeal on Adams copy wins in my mind.

 

 

But if ppl want to cry anout GA blue label parameters, I guess they can always go hunt down a copy of said book with same grade in a PGX or other holder.........

 

 

Just don't be surprised when said book is RESUBBED to a company like CGC and comes back 2.0 grade points lower, with a purple label for trimming and colour touch.

 

 

Rich

 

Rich are you refering to filter81's book? if so, this really proves my point that I was almost a victim of fraud.

 

 

Oh now THAT is funny! How in hell are you not taking it up the arse in prison right now?

 

 

Because he is 12 years old.

[8milemax]

This guy is a known shill. He has been banned from the CGC message boards on at least 7 different occasions. He has started multiple posts under multiple different accounts making comments he knows to be false in an attempt to slander my name. He has won tens of thousands of dollars of items of mine on eBay under at least 5 different names (the latest of which is Filterisgay) and has ruined what would've been otherwise legitimate 5 figure sales in no reserve auctions more than once. He's sent physical threats, pornographic PMs, harrassed me on Myspace, insulted my girlfriend the list goes on and on. All because he didn't like something I said/did years ago when I tried to get involved because I didnt like the fact that he stole money from another board member.

 

What part of I was not trying to sell him this book is not being understood? And why is it not being understood?

This is terrible, Adam. It would make my day to see him physically threaten me at the NYCC.

 

He often makes it to the bigger shows.

 

He has been stalking Adam for nearly 2 years from what I know. He's not listening to reason as Adam is a nice guy and has a good heart. Instead he is simply doing it because he gets enjoyment out of trying to give someone a hard time. In this case the authorities definitely should be notified.

 

Oh, he's going to NYCC. I have great respect for Adam. That's why this makes me angry.

 

Maybe Alley Bat can get this

 

[dupont2005]

 

Maybe Alley Bat can get this

 

Or this

[bdera303-migration]

I know Filter81 from ebay and he is an honest seller with quality listings. "royig" how dare you come onto a public message board and damn someone else's character for absolutely no reason but to instigate and stir up trouble. If attention is what you need, then go make local headlines by jumping off a cliff.

[MrBedrock]

It can't be one way or the other. Is there any difference between telling someone that a book isn't for sale but you can make an offer and putting a book up for sale with no sale price and an undisclosed reserve? If the undisclosed reserve is prohibitively high then that book is not for sale? So just because Adam has offered this book around and has told folks that he wants $40,000 for it is not for sale? And here he solicits a guy for an offer but the book isn't for sale?

 

I guess taking your logic to the it's ultimate ambition, everything is for sale. Everything has some price, whether that price is a favor, barter or blackmail. Price doesn't necessarily need to be in relationship to money.

 

If a book is in someone's collection, and not a part of inventory, but as a favor you sell it to someone who wants it more, that book was actually not for sale and then it became "for sale" the moment it was offered. For instance, Billy Parker's MMC #9 was not for sale but it became for sale when Primetime wanted it.

 

Also, if a book was bought for investment and for resale at a later date (perhaps around the time of a movie release), that book too is not for sale until the later date approaches but if someone wants to offer the "later date price" I'm sure that book too will come up "for sale" with the right offer. For instance, Cap #1 in 6.5 is not really for sale, as the book was likely bought because it was a long term investment but if someone wants to pay a fair (but strong price) then they might be able to purchase the book.

 

I think that both cases might even apply to this particular book.

 

I think you're being a stickler on the term "for sale" and it really isn't my fault or Adam's fault (nor do I see it as an oxymoron). It's the fault of the English language for not being able to convey intentions or time with the words "For Sale".

 

Maybe a better way of phrasing it would have been to say "I wasn't planning on selling this book right now but I'm happy to listen if you want to make an offer and maybe I'll change my mind".

 

 

And yes it was condescending. It was meant that way.

 

I was just wondering why you had the sharp edge as I thought it was a pretty edgy post. Maybe I said or did something to tick you off, unknowingly? But hey, if that's what you intended then whatever floats your boat.

 

 

Actually, it's all a lot simpler than that...

 

The book is for sale at the right price.

 

Or...

 

The book is not for sale at any price.

Thank you Nick.

[Flaming_Telepath]

 

Because some books really are not for sale, unless someone insists on paying strong money for that particular book.

 

I realize some books may not be listed for sale. But if you ever entertain or solicit an offer then the book is for sale.

 

Therefore the I nominate the above poster for today's Oxymoron Prize!

Congratulations Roy

 

(BTW, Adam bought that Cap from Worldwide Comics at San Diego. He got a pretty sweet deal on the book. He had it for sale at his and Gator's booth at a sizable mark up (which is absolutely fine with me - the darn book is beautiful). Adam has entertained offers on it on a few occasions since then. I do have a problem with the claim that the book isn't really for sale. It is absolutely for sale. Adam just wants a big price for it. More power to him, but an honest dealer should call a spade a spade IMHO.)

 

Checkmate!

 

Are you still going, knob-cheese?

 

Look, the grown-ups are having a civilised discussion regarding when a book becomes 'for sale'. The input of a cretinous fraudster with zero social skills and huge 'mummy issues' is neither required nor wanted.

 

I can only assume that your pet goat has a 'headache' at the moment, but please don't take out your sexual frustration on your betters. (thumbs u

[Sal]

I'd argue a goat fits the "betters" description, Nick. Perhaps a bowl of pudding would be closer to the mark?

[royig-migration]

This guy is a known shill. He has been banned from the CGC message boards on at least 7 different occasions. He has started multiple posts under multiple different accounts making comments he knows to be false in an attempt to slander my name. He has won tens of thousands of dollars of items of mine on eBay under at least 5 different names (the latest of which is Filterisgay) and has ruined what would've been otherwise legitimate 5 figure sales in no reserve auctions more than once. He's sent physical threats, pornographic PMs, harrassed me on Myspace, insulted my girlfriend the list goes on and on. All because he didn't like something I said/did years ago when I tried to get involved because I didnt like the fact that he stole money from another board member.

 

What part of I was not trying to sell him this book is not being understood? And why is it not being understood?

This is terrible, Adam. It would make my day to see him physically threaten me at the NYCC.

 

He often makes it to the bigger shows.

 

He has been stalking Adam for nearly 2 years from what I know. He's not listening to reason as Adam is a nice guy and has a good heart. Instead he is simply doing it because he gets enjoyment out of trying to give someone a hard time. In this case the authorities definitely should be notified.

 

 

[arexcrooke]

This guy is a known shill. He has been banned from the CGC message boards on at least 7 different occasions. He has started multiple posts under multiple different accounts making comments he knows to be false in an attempt to slander my name. He has won tens of thousands of dollars of items of mine on eBay under at least 5 different names (the latest of which is Filterisgay) and has ruined what would've been otherwise legitimate 5 figure sales in no reserve auctions more than once. He's sent physical threats, pornographic PMs, harrassed me on Myspace, insulted my girlfriend the list goes on and on. All because he didn't like something I said/did years ago when I tried to get involved because I didnt like the fact that he stole money from another board member.

 

What part of I was not trying to sell him this book is not being understood? And why is it not being understood?

This is terrible, Adam. It would make my day to see him physically threaten me at the NYCC.

 

He often makes it to the bigger shows.

 

He has been stalking Adam for nearly 2 years from what I know. He's not listening to reason as Adam is a nice guy and has a good heart. Instead he is simply doing it because he gets enjoyment out of trying to give someone a hard time. In this case the authorities definitely should be notified.

 

 

He tried to sell a Bats 1 at Megacon 2 years ago. me and watson were at Richards booth when he slithered over. Weasly, runty, shifty little sleazeball

[Mark 1]

This guy is a known shill. He has been banned from the CGC message boards on at least 7 different occasions. He has started multiple posts under multiple different accounts making comments he knows to be false in an attempt to slander my name. He has won tens of thousands of dollars of items of mine on eBay under at least 5 different names (the latest of which is Filterisgay) and has ruined what would've been otherwise legitimate 5 figure sales in no reserve auctions more than once. He's sent physical threats, pornographic PMs, harrassed me on Myspace, insulted my girlfriend the list goes on and on. All because he didn't like something I said/did years ago when I tried to get involved because I didnt like the fact that he stole money from another board member.

 

What part of I was not trying to sell him this book is not being understood? And why is it not being understood?

This is terrible, Adam. It would make my day to see him physically threaten me at the NYCC.

 

He often makes it to the bigger shows.

 

He has been stalking Adam for nearly 2 years from what I know. He's not listening to reason as Adam is a nice guy and has a good heart. Instead he is simply doing it because he gets enjoyment out of trying to give someone a hard time. In this case the authorities definitely should be notified.

 

 

He tried to sell a Bats 1 at Megacon 2 years ago. me and watson were at Richards booth when he slithered over. Weasly, runty, shifty little sleazeball

 

You should have kicked his azz back then....

[royig-migration]

I know Filter81 from ebay and he is an honest seller with quality listings. "royig" how dare you come onto a public message board and damn someone else's character for absolutely no reason but to instigate and stir up trouble. If attention is what you need, then go make local headlines by jumping off a cliff.

 

[Sal]

...or taken a picture, at least. posted it on the boards as a public service