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[paperheart]

ive said it before, and i'll say it again. for those of you that were collecting in 2011 (i wasnt), i cant see why you didnt stock up on these

 

i was too busy buying apple at $400, why weren't you?

[ThoseBackPages]

ive said it before, and i'll say it again. for those of you that were collecting in 2011 (i wasnt), i cant see why you didnt stock up on these

 

i was too busy buying apple at $400, why weren't you?

 

see the "i wasnt collecting at the time"?

[Mike's Rack]

ive said it before, and i'll say it again. for those of you that were collecting in 2011 (i wasnt), i cant see why you didnt stock up on these

 

i was too busy buying apple at $400, why weren't you?

 

see the "i wasnt collecting at the time"?

I think he's referring to the company Apple

[ThoseBackPages]

ive said it before, and i'll say it again. for those of you that were collecting in 2011 (i wasnt), i cant see why you didnt stock up on these

 

i was too busy buying apple at $400, why weren't you?

 

see the "i wasnt collecting at the time"?

I think he's referring to the company Apple

 

if this were a stock market board, i'd totally agree

[paperheart]

ive said it before, and i'll say it again. for those of you that were collecting in 2011 (i wasnt), i cant see why you didnt stock up on these

 

i was too busy buying apple at $400, why weren't you?

 

see the "i wasnt collecting at the time"?

I think he's referring to the company Apple

 

if this were a stock market board, i'd totally agree

 

in hindsight, everything is obvious

[ThoseBackPages]

ive said it before, and i'll say it again. for those of you that were collecting in 2011 (i wasnt), i cant see why you didnt stock up on these

 

i was too busy buying apple at $400, why weren't you?

 

see the "i wasnt collecting at the time"?

I think he's referring to the company Apple

 

if this were a stock market board, i'd totally agree

 

in hindsight, everything is obvious

 

i hear you, but when they were less then $3 each, what was the harm in buying 10+ copies?

[MrWeen]

First appearance Agent Coulson anyone?

 

 

 

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[Mike's Rack]

You trying to start another first appearence debate?

[Prince Namor]

Just to throw a wrench in the tire, I want you to look up the values of these two books:

 

Hulk 180 first appearance of Wolverine, he appears on one page

 

Hulk 181 First Full appearance of Wolverine

 

I have never understood how his appearance in 180 is not a full appearance? It is pretty clear that his first appearance is in 180 unlike other characters first appearances which are mired in ambiguity like Hellboy( SDCC 2/Dime Press 4 ) or the Goon ( Avatar Illustrated /Dreamwalker 0/Best Cellars ).

 

Then there are others like the TMNT. Is Gobbledygook 1, issue 1 of the series or Comic Buyers Guide 547 the first TMNT appearance? Many see issue 1 of the series as the true first appearance because Gobbledygook was not an actual comic and the ad Eastman and Laird took out in the buyer's guide is just that, an ad. If either Gobbledygook 1 or CBG 547 are the first appearance of the TMNT with an ad then why isn't the DC Current's book I have show considered the first appearance of Bane?

I would say the first published appearance of the characters represents the true first appearance ( like Spawn in Malibu Sun 13 ). In the TMNT's case is would be CBG 547 as it predates the convention release of the series issue 1. As far as I can tell there is no publication date for Gobbledygook because it was made with a copy machine. It's all pretty confusing if you ask me.

I'm sure all the argument have been hashed out long before this post concerning all the properties in question but in the case of Wolverine 180 it is quite clear that the first full appearance is in 180 and issue 181 is Wolverine's first appearance on a cover. Sadly too many are invested in the misrepresentation of 181 as the first so we are stuck with it.

 

Once upon a time, you couldn't walk into a comic book store and buy a tpb of every storyline you wanted to read about. There was no internet. I know it's hard to believe but it's true.

The back issue market was primarily driven by the need to READ these stories to find out what happen in them.

So people who were searching for the first 'appearance' of Wolverine, and there came a time when that character started to get really popular so the searching was frantic, didn't want to READ a #180 (all about Wendigo) just for an 'appearance' at the end. They wanted a full story.

And thus, they sought out #181.

In other words, the MARKET decided it was more important.

 

I think 181 was reprinted in about 86 when 181 started to percolate in price, but yes, you're right. at least for the first few bucks of appreciated value, but at some point the price was based on "collectability," not just a desire to read it...Not to mention, Marvel has been reprinting its stuff for years in its various reprint titles..heck, marvel tales reprinted ASM 129 in two separate issues, once in like the late 70s and again 10 years later.

 

That's 12 years in between the time it was published and the time it was first reprinted!

That's a long time for Overstreet advisors to report it as a sought after issue....

[Chi Bamm]

ive said it before, and i'll say it again. for those of you that were collecting in 2011 (i wasnt), i cant see why you didnt stock up on these

 

Stock up on WD weeklys?

 

IMHO, they are reprints and will fall in price accordingly.

[Prince Namor]

Just to throw a wrench in the tire, I want you to look up the values of these two books:

 

Hulk 180 first appearance of Wolverine, he appears on one page

 

Hulk 181 First Full appearance of Wolverine

 

I have never understood how his appearance in 180 is not a full appearance? It is pretty clear that his first appearance is in 180 unlike other characters first appearances which are mired in ambiguity like Hellboy( SDCC 2/Dime Press 4 ) or the Goon ( Avatar Illustrated /Dreamwalker 0/Best Cellars ).

 

Then there are others like the TMNT. Is Gobbledygook 1, issue 1 of the series or Comic Buyers Guide 547 the first TMNT appearance? Many see issue 1 of the series as the true first appearance because Gobbledygook was not an actual comic and the ad Eastman and Laird took out in the buyer's guide is just that, an ad. If either Gobbledygook 1 or CBG 547 are the first appearance of the TMNT with an ad then why isn't the DC Current's book I have show considered the first appearance of Bane?

I would say the first published appearance of the characters represents the true first appearance ( like Spawn in Malibu Sun 13 ). In the TMNT's case is would be CBG 547 as it predates the convention release of the series issue 1. As far as I can tell there is no publication date for Gobbledygook because it was made with a copy machine. It's all pretty confusing if you ask me.

I'm sure all the argument have been hashed out long before this post concerning all the properties in question but in the case of Wolverine 180 it is quite clear that the first full appearance is in 180 and issue 181 is Wolverine's first appearance on a cover. Sadly too many are invested in the misrepresentation of 181 as the first so we are stuck with it.

 

Once upon a time, you couldn't walk into a comic book store and buy a tpb of every storyline you wanted to read about. There was no internet. I know it's hard to believe but it's true.

The back issue market was primarily driven by the need to READ these stories to find out what happen in them.

So people who were searching for the first 'appearance' of Wolverine, and there came a time when that character started to get really popular so the searching was frantic, didn't want to READ a #180 (all about Wendigo) just for an 'appearance' at the end. They wanted a full story.

And thus, they sought out #181.

In other words, the MARKET decided it was more important.

 

I think 181 was reprinted in about 86 when 181 started to percolate in price, but yes, you're right. at least for the first few bucks of appreciated value, but at some point the price was based on "collectability," not just a desire to read it...Not to mention, Marvel has been reprinting its stuff for years in its various reprint titles..heck, marvel tales reprinted ASM 129 in two separate issues, once in like the late 70s and again 10 years later.

I was flipping through an old Overstreet guide around #10 or so, and I noticed a dealer advertising Hulk 180 for $6.00 and Hulk 181 at $1.25. This was 7-8 years after the issues were released so sometimes this stuff is open for debate for a while.

 

I dont know the story behind that, but over time 181 would be the issue collectors sought out. No one 'decided' it would be 181. The market decided.

In fact it's quite possible dealers considered 180 to be the first appearance, but found it just didn't sell as well as 181.

The reason?

Collectors wanted a full story.

 

[Nico Esq]

First appearance Agent Coulson anyone?

 

 

 

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Have these issues started to increase in price or does this post belong in the speculation thread. Don't get me wrong, I think this book is a goof buy and that it will definitely increase in price (particularly if the TV Show is a hit. Finally, why does the following post suggest that their is a debate about this book being the true first appearance of Agent Coulson? I thought it was pretty cut and dry that Battle Scars No. 1 is the first appearance of Colson in the 616 but that the true first appearance is this first appearance of in Marvel comics.

[Mike's Rack]

Just to throw a wrench in the tire, I want you to look up the values of these two books:

 

Hulk 180 first appearance of Wolverine, he appears on one page

 

Hulk 181 First Full appearance of Wolverine

 

I have never understood how his appearance in 180 is not a full appearance? It is pretty clear that his first appearance is in 180 unlike other characters first appearances which are mired in ambiguity like Hellboy( SDCC 2/Dime Press 4 ) or the Goon ( Avatar Illustrated /Dreamwalker 0/Best Cellars ).

 

Then there are others like the TMNT. Is Gobbledygook 1, issue 1 of the series or Comic Buyers Guide 547 the first TMNT appearance? Many see issue 1 of the series as the true first appearance because Gobbledygook was not an actual comic and the ad Eastman and Laird took out in the buyer's guide is just that, an ad. If either Gobbledygook 1 or CBG 547 are the first appearance of the TMNT with an ad then why isn't the DC Current's book I have show considered the first appearance of Bane?

I would say the first published appearance of the characters represents the true first appearance ( like Spawn in Malibu Sun 13 ). In the TMNT's case is would be CBG 547 as it predates the convention release of the series issue 1. As far as I can tell there is no publication date for Gobbledygook because it was made with a copy machine. It's all pretty confusing if you ask me.

I'm sure all the argument have been hashed out long before this post concerning all the properties in question but in the case of Wolverine 180 it is quite clear that the first full appearance is in 180 and issue 181 is Wolverine's first appearance on a cover. Sadly too many are invested in the misrepresentation of 181 as the first so we are stuck with it.

 

Once upon a time, you couldn't walk into a comic book store and buy a tpb of every storyline you wanted to read about. There was no internet. I know it's hard to believe but it's true.

The back issue market was primarily driven by the need to READ these stories to find out what happen in them.

So people who were searching for the first 'appearance' of Wolverine, and there came a time when that character started to get really popular so the searching was frantic, didn't want to READ a #180 (all about Wendigo) just for an 'appearance' at the end. They wanted a full story.

And thus, they sought out #181.

In other words, the MARKET decided it was more important.

 

I think 181 was reprinted in about 86 when 181 started to percolate in price, but yes, you're right. at least for the first few bucks of appreciated value, but at some point the price was based on "collectability," not just a desire to read it...Not to mention, Marvel has been reprinting its stuff for years in its various reprint titles..heck, marvel tales reprinted ASM 129 in two separate issues, once in like the late 70s and again 10 years later.

I was flipping through an old Overstreet guide around #10 or so, and I noticed a dealer advertising Hulk 180 for $6.00 and Hulk 181 at $1.25. This was 7-8 years after the issues were released so sometimes this stuff is open for debate for a while.

 

I dont know the story behind that, but over time 181 would be the issue collectors sought out. No one 'decided' it would be 181. The market decided.

In fact it's quite possible dealers considered 180 to be the first appearance, but found it just didn't sell as well as 181.

The reason?

Collectors wanted a full story.

I agree, this is what I was alluding too earlier. "First appearances" can sometimes be a ploy but dealers to move books that they heavily speculated on. Ultimately, the market (the people) decides, and more often than not story wins out over promotional items and cameo's.

[Hey Kids, Comics!]

First appearance Agent Coulson anyone?

 

 

 

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This should definitely belong in the speculation thread, though I hope it's Battle Scars 1 that will do the jumping as I've been hoarding those at $1 ea and less.

[MediumLover]

First appearance Agent Coulson anyone?

 

 

 

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Have these issues started to increase in price or does this post belong in the speculation thread. Don't get me wrong, I think this book is a goof buy and that it will definitely increase in price (particularly if the TV Show is a hit. Finally, why does the following post suggest that their is a debate about this book being the true first appearance of Agent Coulson? I thought it was pretty cut and dry that Battle Scars No. 1 is the first appearance of Colson in the 616 but that the true first appearance is this first appearance of in Marvel comics.

 

I bought eight copies, at or below cover last night.

On ebay.

 

ML.

[MediumLover]

First appearance Agent Coulson anyone?

 

 

 

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This should definitely belong in the speculation thread, though I hope it's Battle Scars 1 that will do the jumping as I've been hoarding those at $1 ea and less.

 

Yeah, same here, and I got some OA also.

[MrWeen]

Just to throw a wrench in the tire, I want you to look up the values of these two books:

 

Hulk 180 first appearance of Wolverine, he appears on one page

 

Hulk 181 First Full appearance of Wolverine

 

I have never understood how his appearance in 180 is not a full appearance? It is pretty clear that his first appearance is in 180 unlike other characters first appearances which are mired in ambiguity like Hellboy( SDCC 2/Dime Press 4 ) or the Goon ( Avatar Illustrated /Dreamwalker 0/Best Cellars ).

 

Then there are others like the TMNT. Is Gobbledygook 1, issue 1 of the series or Comic Buyers Guide 547 the first TMNT appearance? Many see issue 1 of the series as the true first appearance because Gobbledygook was not an actual comic and the ad Eastman and Laird took out in the buyer's guide is just that, an ad. If either Gobbledygook 1 or CBG 547 are the first appearance of the TMNT with an ad then why isn't the DC Current's book I have show considered the first appearance of Bane?

I would say the first published appearance of the characters represents the true first appearance ( like Spawn in Malibu Sun 13 ). In the TMNT's case is would be CBG 547 as it predates the convention release of the series issue 1. As far as I can tell there is no publication date for Gobbledygook because it was made with a copy machine. It's all pretty confusing if you ask me.

I'm sure all the argument have been hashed out long before this post concerning all the properties in question but in the case of Wolverine 180 it is quite clear that the first full appearance is in 180 and issue 181 is Wolverine's first appearance on a cover. Sadly too many are invested in the misrepresentation of 181 as the first so we are stuck with it.

 

Once upon a time, you couldn't walk into a comic book store and buy a tpb of every storyline you wanted to read about. There was no internet. I know it's hard to believe but it's true.

The back issue market was primarily driven by the need to READ these stories to find out what happen in them.

So people who were searching for the first 'appearance' of Wolverine, and there came a time when that character started to get really popular so the searching was frantic, didn't want to READ a #180 (all about Wendigo) just for an 'appearance' at the end. They wanted a full story.

And thus, they sought out #181.

In other words, the MARKET decided it was more important.

 

I think 181 was reprinted in about 86 when 181 started to percolate in price, but yes, you're right. at least for the first few bucks of appreciated value, but at some point the price was based on "collectability," not just a desire to read it...Not to mention, Marvel has been reprinting its stuff for years in its various reprint titles..heck, marvel tales reprinted ASM 129 in two separate issues, once in like the late 70s and again 10 years later.

I was flipping through an old Overstreet guide around #10 or so, and I noticed a dealer advertising Hulk 180 for $6.00 and Hulk 181 at $1.25. This was 7-8 years after the issues were released so sometimes this stuff is open for debate for a while.

 

I dont know the story behind that, but over time 181 would be the issue collectors sought out. No one 'decided' it would be 181. The market decided.

In fact it's quite possible dealers considered 180 to be the first appearance, but found it just didn't sell as well as 181.

The reason?

Collectors wanted a full story.

I agree, this is what I was alluding too earlier. "First appearances" can sometimes be a ploy but dealers to move books that they heavily speculated on. Ultimately, the market (the people) decides, and more often than not story wins out over promotional items and cameo's.

 

If a dealer tries to deceive people that's one thing but if he's correct then he has the right to seek profit as well as educate the people who buy and sell in that market.

And again just because something is popular doesn't mean it is always accurate. I know a few folks who heavily invested in BOFA and look how that popular trend worked out for them. They didn't do the research and left the decision up to strangers. Not wise.

What I like about first appearances is that they are black & white. For the last two months I thought Peter Panzerfaust first appeared in Mondo #1. I was wrong.

If a character first appears in some obscure magazine ( Flaming Carrot anyone? ) then that's a fact whether issue one of a regular series is worth more or not.

As far as VALUE is concerned you are correct, " more often than not story wins out over promotional items and cameo's." but value does not replace truth and make 181 Wolverine's first appearance.

[Illustrious]

First appearance Agent Coulson anyone?

 

 

 

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This was a one-shot tied into the movie universe, his official introduction into the Marvel 616 comic universe was Battle Scars #1, although he wasn't revealed to be Agent Coulson until Battle Scars #6.

 

Marvel Comics Make Agent Coulson Part Of The 616

 

 

Edited December 3, 2012 by Illustrious

[MrWeen]

First appearance Agent Coulson anyone?

 

 

 

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This was a one-shot tied into the movie universe, his official introduction into the Marvel 616 comic universe was Battle Scars #1, although he wasn't revealed to be Agent Coulson until Battle Scars #6.

 

Marvel Comics Make Agent Coulson Part Of The 616

 

 

 

True, but just to clarify - he first appeared in Iron Man 2: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. in 2010 similar to how Harley Quinn has a first appearance, Batman Adv. 12 and a first in-continuity appearance (a prestige format book with a sick Ross cover ).

Edited December 3, 2012 by Weenman

[Illustrious]

In any case, I'm stocked up on both issues.