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CGC Turnout time

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Now my rant...

 

I blame the amount of modern age stuff that gets submitted as the reason there is such a back log.

 

CGC says:

Inexpensive comics, which are not generally submitted for certification, may appear scarce but are not

 

Most modern stuff is inexpensive! This annoys me to no end....yet I see 9.8 signature collector's thinking they have holy grails out of each modern comic they have. I hate both signature books, and modern stuff,

 

Considering the amount of silver, golden, and bronze and stuff is finite. What if CGC didn't allow something to be graded until it was at least 5 years old and maybe actually collectible? That would annoy the 9.8 modern signature collector's to no end...but probably make all the golden silver bronze and copper collector's very happy.

 

 

So ... to summarize ... what I collect sucks, what you collect rocks? Gotcha :thumbsup:

 

The spirit of CGC with it's preservation archiving, restoration check, and admission that graded books more common for rare or expensive books tell me it should be for older books.

 

If the new breed of collector's want their new stuff slabbed, that's fine. I buy new stuff, It doesn't mean I need to slab it since most are relatively inexpensive. So when I do get around to it and time has passed and the market appreciates them more then I'll send them in.

 

The new stuff doesn't need immediate archival sealed preservation since the paper quality is much better that the books are printed on. The newer stuff shouldn't require a restoration check but one happens anyway. All of this slows up the process....so what you collect doesn't suck, it just aint worth it to be slabbed and makes life slower for everyone.

 

First off, your first comment was the most asinine thing I've read on the internet all month, so congrats on that.

 

Secondly, your "I collect GA/SA so I'm holier-than-thou" vibe you're giving off just strengthens the negative stigma you guys give off towards modern collectors, so again, good job on that.

 

Lastly, do you realize that graders are only grading certain eras? Modern graders aren't grading GA submissions and vice versa, therefore even if a million moderns were submitted, it wouldn't affect the turnaround time for your precious GA submissions (note this was told to me by a CGC representative, if it's incorrect, I apologize). Don't blame the modern submitters, blame the GA submitters who have been submitting books exponentially higher than ever before. You know, the one's who do nothing but spend every last dollar submitting every single book they own that was printed before 1950 because, well, it was printed before 1950.

 

Your rationale of why modern collectors shouldn't submit their books because of the reason CGC was created is hokum. I hope you know that the moderns of today are the GA's (per se) of tomorrow. I know it's a tough pill to swallow trying to grasp the fact that AF #15 isn't going to be the only desirable book in 2075. Don't hate on someone who wants to submit their Revival #1 to preserve its quality for the next 50 years. It's no different than you submitting your GA for preservation, other than the fact that it's already and you want to prevent it from getting any more than it already is.

 

I buy new stuff, It doesn't mean I need to slab it since most are relatively inexpensive.

 

Sounds like you're in it for the money. Kind of goes hand in hand with the eagerness of getting your books back.

 

If someone wants to submit their $2.99 book, that's up to them. Not everyone is submitting books with the sole reasoning of "how much can I sell it for". Some just submit cause they like having a true grade and authenticity of its integrity. Sorry you're not able to sell sell sell cause the turnaround time is slow. Maybe you should just enjoy the new books you read that are coming out and wait patiently like the rest of us without lambasting modern collectors. Or, cough up the extra money to get them fast-tracked.

 

Cause guess what, that's the main reason why turn-around times are slow. Their pricing structure on fast track is just $10 more than regular. So, everyone is submitting fast-track.

 

Hey, one thing we do have in common is hating signatures. So, rather than dumping all my beer on you, we can take a few sips together. :)

 

Such hostility over someone else's opinion, Yikes. I didn't realize modern collector's feel so dumped upon. My apologies. Now let me start by responding to your comments.

 

I hope you know that the moderns of today are the GA's (per se) of tomorrow.

 

This actually made me laugh a little. The market today is more saturated than ever. More product equals less demand. If ANYONE can go out today and buy a potential 9.8 off the newstand or in a LCS and get it graded, who the heck is gonna wanna pay 50, 60 70 or 100 for a 9.8 of some saturated title 60 years from now (per your argument) when 1000's of 9.8's will ALREADY exist?

 

Sounds like you're in it for the money. Kind of goes hand in hand with the eagerness of getting your books back.

 

Wrong. I want to PRESERVE my books so that when I DIE they will be graded and ready to sell by the people I leave them to, Golden and Silver are less durable and should be preserved because of AGING.

 

If someone wants to submit their $2.99 book, that's up to them. Not everyone is submitting books with the sole reasoning of "how much can I sell it for". Some just submit cause they like having a true grade and authenticity of its integrity. Sorry you're not able to sell sell sell cause the turnaround time is slow. Maybe you should just enjoy the new books you read that are coming out and wait patiently like the rest of us without lambasting modern collectors. Or, cough up the extra money to get them fast-tracked.

 

That's great. There paying for more than the book is worth most times, but more power to them.

 

Lastly, do you realize that graders are only grading certain eras? Modern graders aren't grading GA submissions and vice versa, therefore even if a million moderns were submitted, it wouldn't affect the turnaround time for your precious GA submissions (note this was told to me by a CGC representative, if it's incorrect, I apologize). Don't blame the modern submitters, blame the GA submitters who have been submitting books exponentially higher than ever before. You know, the one's who do nothing but spend every last dollar submitting every single book they own that was printed before 1950 because, well, it was printed before 1950.

 

Read the bio's on the CGC web site. All of them do all ages. I'm sure it's a team effort over there and when volume changes they switch. If you really think their only modern grader listed on the web site is the only one doing modern books I think you are dead wrong. Not to mention my point wasn't even on grading, but on restoration checking, or are there modern restoration graders only since you seem to know CGC inside out? Educate me please!

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Read the bio's on the CGC web site. All of them do all ages. I'm sure it's a team effort over there and when volume changes they switch. If you really think their only modern grader listed on the web site is the only one doing modern books I think you are dead wrong. Not to mention my point wasn't even on grading, but on restoration checking, or are there modern restoration graders only since you seem to know CGC inside out? Educate me please!

 

No, they don't.

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As I said, it's what a CGC rep told me at a convention. Graders have to "work their way up" to grading GA/SA (and rightfully so, those are much more delicate, difficult to grade, and usually worth more). Grades are all over the place and not just 8.0+ like on moderns.

 

Plus, I was responding to your "rant" as you put it, not your opinion. But now that you change your direction in how you word it, that's fine everyone is entitled to their own opinions.

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I don't understand why it's hard for someone to grasp the fact that collectors have different tastes and reasons for being in the hobby.

 

I personally hate signature series books. It makes me cringe when I see a signature plastered on the cover of a SA key. But you know what? I understand that people have the right to do whatever they wish when it comes to their own property and their own money.

 

Blaming the slow turn around on any particular group of collector is absurd and misguided in a number of ways.

 

And the fact that CGC is deluged with modern submissions should indicate the desirability of their service in regards to those types of comics. People really think that CGC would do anything to damage that sort of income? Business is about making money, folks.

 

Also keep this in mind: you get what you pay for.

 

If you don't want to wait three or four months on a return, then I suggest you cough up the money and submit via fast-track. Yeah, spending the extra money sucks...but so does waiting months and months for the turnaround.

 

Time IS money, after all.

 

Lessons realized?

 

1. Don't bash other collectors for their tastes.

2. Don't be a cheap, whiny .

 

 

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Something I have trouble grasping is the scattered processing of orders. I have three value tier orders they invoiced on 4/17. One shipped on 9/7, one sits as graded not shipped, one sits as scheduled for grading. If they were working on orders in which they recieved. FIFO. First in first out per tier. This would not be happening. Thats managements responsibility.

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Read the bio's on the CGC web site. All of them do all ages. I'm sure it's a team effort over there and when volume changes they switch. If you really think their only modern grader listed on the web site is the only one doing modern books I think you are dead wrong. Not to mention my point wasn't even on grading, but on restoration checking, or are there modern restoration graders only since you seem to know CGC inside out? Educate me please!

 

No, they don't.

 

This is correct. At times you may see other individuals counting pages but the moderns graders grade modern, magazines have been graded by the same grader for years.

 

You see this happen a lot at shows where moderns will be graded ahead of walk through books.

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Read the bio's on the CGC web site. All of them do all ages. I'm sure it's a team effort over there and when volume changes they switch. If you really think their only modern grader listed on the web site is the only one doing modern books I think you are dead wrong. Not to mention my point wasn't even on grading, but on restoration checking, or are there modern restoration graders only since you seem to know CGC inside out? Educate me please!

 

No, they don't.

 

This is correct. At times you may see other individuals counting pages but the moderns graders grade modern, magazines have been graded by the same grader for years.

 

You see this happen a lot at shows where moderns will be graded ahead of walk through books.

 

I just guessed I think it is a team effort...so if you say they do count pages then I was correct, and if silver and gold graders have graded modern, how do we know they don't help out modern graders if there is a tremendous back log?

 

Regardless my point was with the restoration detection holding things up for all books. So is there or is there not two types of restoration detetction specialists for moderns and the gold silver?

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Do they have a different team for grading magazines? I had sent in a couple, and have had multiple comics sent in on the same service level graded but the magazines are taking longer, so I assume it's a different, smaller team doing magazines?

 

As I understand, different expert on Magazines.

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I was once told, over the phone by CGC, that in order to accomodate the encapsulation

of magazines they have to stop and recalibrate the machine = they only do it when they have enough to make it worthwhile.

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I was once told, over the phone by CGC, that in order to accomodate the encapsulation

of magazines they have to stop and recalibrate the machine = they only do it when they have enough to make it worthwhile.

 

I have heard the same.

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Submitted Modern Fast Track at Baltimore Con.

 

CGC processed the invoice on the Wednesday following the con = 9/12/2012.

 

I called on 9/21/2012. They were awaiting encapsulation and I got my grades.

 

CGC shipped them to me on 9/28/2012.

 

 

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Sent it 2 books into CGC on march 10th/11th, still do not have books in hand. :frustrated:

Modern tier (Obviously not fast tracked)

 

Sounds like something went wrong with your submission - they should have been graded months ago.

 

Did you send them directly to CGC or did they go through a dealer? If it's the former, call up CGC with your invoice number and ask them what the problem is - you should have had those books back in your hands a long time ago.

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I'm still waiting on 3 moderns they received on 5/23/12...I don't mind the wait, well, now it is getting a bit ridiculous, but next time...FAST TRACK I will...

 

That can't be right - I have a modern invoice that's also dated 05/23 and those books shipped out from CGC more than 3 weeks ago, on September 4th.

 

Are those books being shipped straight back to you or going through somebody else?

 

I submitted the books via a CGC member store but by the sounds of it, they have not even been graded yet...To me, if they were, they would have said that they were just waiting to ship them out...Right?

 

Most recent communications (amended)...

 

August-20-12 10:22 AM

"We are grading Moderns received on 5/23 so we are looking at another month most likely on these. The Modern service is running well over 2 months right now".

 

On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 11:59 PM, name and email removed wrote:

"...Figured I’d ask the status...Sorry..."

 

Fri 28/09/2012 9:15 AM

"We are still a bit away, the volume is daunting and taking a bit longer than anticipated"

 

I don't want to keep bugging them, but like I said, I don't mind waiting but this is getting to be a bit of a stretch. I don't think it is the store by the sounds of it that would be slowing the process down. I will just be even more picky from what books I submit and I will be using Fast Track now too.

 

But look at that reply you just pasted in - on August 20th, CGC tells you that they're grading moderns received on 05/23 (the date of your invoice), so why wouldn't your books have been graded back then? This also corresponds with my own 05/23 invoice - it was graded the last week of August and shipped on Sep. 4th.

 

Did you mean to say that your invoice was from 06/23?

 

 

 

Or, did he give his books to his LCS on 5/23.

 

Hey, thanks for helping me clear this up. When I back tracked,it appears there was a longer than anticipated delay from my understanding from when the LCS would actually submit to CGC, which I will have to ask them about, but I think they must wait to do a bulk shipment. However, they (CGC) advised that

 

"Looks like we got that in on 7/5 a few days after your last email! It is here and in process".

 

Still been over 60 business days and by the sounds of it a few more weeks to go, maybe more...But factoring in when they actually got it, doesn't seem AS bad...

 

Ah, yeah, that makes sense - it's rather lame that your store sat on the books for a month without informing you of this delay, though.

 

Very lame.

 

I just had a reply from CGC today about my books they received on 7/5/12. Here it is:

 

"They are still verified, which is always the 'holding station' so to speak. Once books hit the graders they are usually a week or two (maybe closer to 3 right now for some services) from shipping."

 

So, I take that to say it will be at least three weeks minimum, which means I will get them sometime in November/December...Maybe

 

Not mad/upset, just sayin ;)

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