Sellers are now using projected grades?

[DiceX]

I don't have a problem with anyone quoting GPA for raw books.

The only people who would use that data have already looked it up because they're not going to trust someone putting it in their sales pitch.

 

 

[comicwiz]

[Dr. Balls]

So yeah, I don't see a point in getting bent out of shape.

 

AK, I don't think it's so much about people going on a bender as it is to just lay out the ground rules. I don't know how it happened that anyone thought it would be a good idea to quote GPA on raw book sales, but it's not a practice that should be used. Period.

 

GPA is stricly for slabs.

 

Quote Overstreet for raw books. Alternatively, do multiple raw book checks on eBay or the forums in the listed grade and use as much sales data as possible rather than cherry picking sales to help skew your ask price.

 

I guess my point is, who are we protecting by instituting that kind of a restriction?

We're protecting people who don't want more information.

 

Would people similarly have a problem if I said:

 

This book is a 9.4 (or NM, however you want to say it). Current GPA value is $525. Overstreet value is $10 for a NM. My price is $10. Would that be okay?

 

Or would people prefer:

 

This book is a 9.4 (or NM, however you want to say it). Overstreet value is $10 for a NM. My price is $10. Would that be okay?

 

If you're okay with the latter in each set of examples, ask yourself why.

 

I prefer the latter. Because when I buy something, I don't need to be quoted the price for something not related to my purchase.

 

The difference between buying raw and buying slabbed is huge. With raw, there's no wait time. There's no handling and submission fees. There's no pressing issues. There's no return shipping charges. There's no determining market value. There's no risk in slabbing a book that might see a change (for better/worse) in market value during the time it's gone being graded. These are factors that play into the valuation of a book, including the benefit of utilizing CGC's service.

 

Buying raw is not in the same ballpark as buying slabbed. Quoting GPA in a raw listing doesn't seem to serve no other purpose than make your book like it has a greater value than it does.

 

If I go to a car lot and want to buy a used car, and the salesman is telling me how much the car I am looking at goes for "new" instead of the determined used Kelly Blue Book value - I'm not going to be very impressed with that sales tactic.

 

Overstreet is for raw. GPA is for slabbed. I don't think the two need to mix.

 

I disagree with that. I've sold plenty of raw books on here and have never even looked at over street. If i've graded the book a 8.0, i look at gpa and basically take the price of a 7.5 and either round down or up a tiny bit. I've sold a ton of raw books

here that way and never had a complaint

 

Comic pricing isn't an exact science, and I don't think there is anything wrong with using GPA to figure out what you want to price a book at in your head. The problem I have is advertising it in the sales thread, because GPA is not the pricing standard for raw books. One could argue that there is NO pricing standard for raw books and that is valid, too.

 

It's a black and white issue that easily gets grayed up because of permeatations in the discussion. When you look at the base of the discussion: "should GPA be used for raw book pricing in a sales thread", I, myself, see it as a cut and dry 'no'. Because GPA is specifically *not* for raw books.

[sufunk]

So yeah, I don't see a point in getting bent out of shape.

 

AK, I don't think it's so much about people going on a bender as it is to just lay out the ground rules. I don't know how it happened that anyone thought it would be a good idea to quote GPA on raw book sales, but it's not a practice that should be used. Period.

 

GPA is stricly for slabs.

 

Quote Overstreet for raw books. Alternatively, do multiple raw book checks on eBay or the forums in the listed grade and use as much sales data as possible rather than cherry picking sales to help skew your ask price.

 

I guess my point is, who are we protecting by instituting that kind of a restriction?

We're protecting people who don't want more information.

 

Would people similarly have a problem if I said:

 

This book is a 9.4 (or NM, however you want to say it). Current GPA value is $525. Overstreet value is $10 for a NM. My price is $10. Would that be okay?

 

Or would people prefer:

 

This book is a 9.4 (or NM, however you want to say it). Overstreet value is $10 for a NM. My price is $10. Would that be okay?

 

If you're okay with the latter in each set of examples, ask yourself why.

 

I prefer the latter. Because when I buy something, I don't need to be quoted the price for something not related to my purchase.

 

The difference between buying raw and buying slabbed is huge. With raw, there's no wait time. There's no handling and submission fees. There's no pressing issues. There's no return shipping charges. There's no determining market value. There's no risk in slabbing a book that might see a change (for better/worse) in market value during the time it's gone being graded. These are factors that play into the valuation of a book, including the benefit of utilizing CGC's service.

 

Buying raw is not in the same ballpark as buying slabbed. Quoting GPA in a raw listing doesn't seem to serve no other purpose than make your book like it has a greater value than it does.

 

If I go to a car lot and want to buy a used car, and the salesman is telling me how much the car I am looking at goes for "new" instead of the determined used Kelly Blue Book value - I'm not going to be very impressed with that sales tactic.

 

Overstreet is for raw. GPA is for slabbed. I don't think the two need to mix.

 

I disagree with that. I've sold plenty of raw books on here and have never even looked at over street. If i've graded the book a 8.0, i look at gpa and basically take the price of a 7.5 and either round down or up a tiny bit. I've sold a ton of raw books

here that way and never had a complaint

 

Comic pricing isn't an exact science, and I don't think there is anything wrong with using GPA to figure out what you want to price a book at in your head. The problem I have is advertising it in the sales thread, because GPA is not the pricing standard for raw books. One could argue that there is NO pricing standard for raw books and that is valid, too.

 

It's a black and white issue that easily gets grayed up because of permeatations in the discussion. When you look at the base of the discussion: "should GPA be used for raw book pricing in a sales thread", I, myself, see it as a cut and dry 'no'. Because GPA is specifically *not* for raw books.

 

Thats a fair point. I never have or never would quote gps(at least i dont think i ever have) but i certainly never use Overstreet for pricing. i always buy it and like to read it and look thru it but for whatever reason, i dont consider their pricing to be accurate or something i would use when buying/selling

[blazingbob]

Somebody quoting GPA for a raw books want the $$$$ without doing the work.

 

Buyer buys the book, the buyer lays out the the pressing/grading $$$ and deals with the turnaround. We all know how superfast CCS/CGC is. Seller has your money. Even if the seller guaranteed the grade they had your money to use the whole time. Maybe the book doesn't grade out. Now what? Maybe the seller pulls the "It's not in my hands maybe CGC damaged the book or god knows what other excuse". You want the CGC graded price then SELL A GRADED BOOK to the buyer.

 

 

[Transplant]

Isn't the point of the CGC to create an agreed upon grade? If I trust the seller's grading, why would I not be able to equate a gpa price and the price offered?

[DiceX]

What price is $854, anyway?

 

I have to question the grading algorithm used to come up with that number, and wonder why it was rounded to the nearest dollar.

 

 

Earlier the price was like $1354

 

$1344

 

 

[comicwiz]

I never have or never would quote gps(at least i dont think i ever have)...

 

[comicwiz]

Somebody quoting GPA for a raw books want the $$$$ without doing the work.

 

[ciorac]

I was searching the sales forum and came across a guy selling books with the grades he projected they would be after a proper press.

Amazingly, he has actually sold a few books.

Is this where we are headed?

 

Maybe it is backlash for sellers who are constantly "raided" by those who see the projected grade potential in their inventories, low ball the seller, press, slab, then rake in the profits. Followed by the multiple congratulatory posts made when they post their 9.8s, 9.9s and 10.0s?

 

Just to put a provocative angle on it.

[CatskillMike]

I don't like it, but I don't think we need another rule. If you don't like it, take note and move on. I don't think this is a successful selling practice anyway, and should backfire eventually.

[revat]

Somebody quoting GPA for a raw books want the $$$$ without doing the work.

 

Buyer buys the book, the buyer lays out the the pressing/grading $$$ and deals with the turnaround. We all know how superfast CCS/CGC is. Seller has your money. Even if the seller guaranteed the grade they had your money to use the whole time. Maybe the book doesn't grade out. Now what? Maybe the seller pulls the "It's not in my hands maybe CGC damaged the book or god knows what other excuse". You want the CGC graded price then SELL A GRADED BOOK to the buyer.

 

 

I don't think there's anything wrong with trying to get the money without doing the work, as long as you don't misrepresent anything. IF people are still willing to purchase the product, that's on them.

 

I think most will agree that the quoting of GPA can be used as a selling tactic, but the issue is whether that's a tactic that we as buyers need to be protected from. I think there are some buyers who look at raws and then check gpa to see if its worth buying then slabbing. For a seller to save the buyer some research time is a plus to some buyers.

 

Taking the used car dealership thing into consideration, I think if they do post the new car price does have some relevance. If I go in looking for a Porche and the 2012 is $75K with 10K miles, and the brand new 2013 is $85K, I'll pay the premium for the certainty new car. If its $25K less for the used car, I'd be more inclined to buy the used car. Of course I'd want to know the Kelly blue book value too, but the cost of the new car would play a factor.

 

I think the analogy does apply somewhat to the uncertainty of a raw book versus the guaranteedness of a slabbed book.

 

Either way, I don't think the GPA quoting is something that the average buyer needs to be protected from, although I do see how someone less savvy can be misled. But if you can spend hundreds or thousands of $$ on raw comics without doing any research or understanding terms, the buyer in some case bears some of the responsibility.

[blazingbob]

If somebody is posting a 9.8/9.9/10.0 that they "raided" from my website then the only person who should be upset is me for not getting it graded myself.

 

I would post in the guys selling thread, yup nothing more I like than rubbing it in how much money I just made off the guy.

 

[ciorac]

If somebody is posting a 9.8/9.9/10.0 that they "raided" from my website then the only person who should be upset is me for not getting it graded myself.

 

I would post in the guys selling thread, yup nothing more I like than rubbing it in how much money I just made off the guy.

 

Usually happens at shows from what I've seen, or at comic shops. Easier to see potential in person. At least for the very top of the grading scale.

[sufunk]

Isn't the point of the CGC to create an agreed upon grade? If I trust the seller's grading, why would I not be able to equate a gpa price and the price offered?

 

This topic kind of came up a few months back. Silver surfer(Peter) for example buys tons of HG Pedigree books and cracks them out. Someone was saying how you could NEVER get gpa for a raw book and i pointed out that surfer has sold many cracked out books this way. I've bought a bunch from him and have no problem with the price. If he says its a 9.8, its a 9.8 in my book and i've never thought otherwise when i received the book (thumbs u

[Logan510]

Somebody quoting GPA for a raw books want the $$$$ without doing the work.

 

Buyer buys the book, the buyer lays out the the pressing/grading $$$ and deals with the turnaround. We all know how superfast CCS/CGC is. Seller has your money. Even if the seller guaranteed the grade they had your money to use the whole time. Maybe the book doesn't grade out. Now what? Maybe the seller pulls the "It's not in my hands maybe CGC damaged the book or god knows what other excuse". You want the CGC graded price then SELL A GRADED BOOK to the buyer.

 

 

 

[blazingbob]

I've seen it more when CGC does on-site grading.

 

You can see the casino working in full motion. Spend a day watching the angst of the submission faces, the smiles/frowns/high fives and shaking of the head. It's a HBO show show waiting to happen - Behind the grading door.

[sacentaur]

Someone was saying how you could NEVER get gpa for a raw book and i pointed out that surfer has sold many cracked out books this way.

 

A cracked CGC book coming from an experienced and trusted seller is a different scenario than a raw (never graded) book being "projected" by a seller who can't grade worth beans.

[revat]

Someone was saying how you could NEVER get gpa for a raw book and i pointed out that surfer has sold many cracked out books this way.

 

A cracked CGC book coming from an experienced and trusted seller is a different scenario than a raw (never graded) book being "projected" by a seller who can't grade worth beans.

 

if you don't trust the seller's grading, you probably shouldn't buy from them anyway, regardless of whether or not they quote gpa

[VintageComics]

Because GPA is specifically *not* for raw books.

 

This has been covered ad naseum on this forum but I'll try to repeat my understanding/conclusion:

 

The notion that GPA is "only for slabbed books" is not really the entire story - GPA is technically a site that tracks the previous sales of CGC graded books and not raw books, but GPA is representative of the selling value of those books in those respective grades.

 

The only difference between raw and CGC graded is whether you agree with the grade of the raw book.

 

So those that want to be black and white about it are discounting an extremely valuable source for valuing books - for both buyers and sellers.

 

I'm on the same page as COI - as long as the book is not being misrepresented, I don't see what the big deal is. Just move on.

 

I don't think there's anything wrong with trying to get the money without doing the work, as long as you don't misrepresent anything. IF people are still willing to purchase the product, that's on them.

 

I think most will agree that the quoting of GPA can be used as a selling tactic, but the issue is whether that's a tactic that we as buyers need to be protected from. I think there are some buyers who look at raws and then check gpa to see if its worth buying then slabbing. For a seller to save the buyer some research time is a plus to some buyers.

 

Agreed - I buy 1000's of raw books every year. I always check GPA on every single book I'm buying if there is information available. Why? Because GPA reflects what a book is selling for in it's respective grade. I'm confident in my grading so I use that standard.

 

Try buying any book raw from a savvy seller and I'll bet you dollars to donuts that if that book is worth getting graded you'll be paying FMV - which happens to usually be right at GPA.