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Is Foom 2 a Prototype for Wolverine?

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Is Foom 2 a Wolverine Prototype?  

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  1. 1. Is Foom 2 a Wolverine Prototype?

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Ken Aldred

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Roy Thomas, who's as top-notch a historian as there is when it comes to comic history, specifically remembers that he suggested the name Wolverine to Len Wein, and suggested the general physical appearance (short), place of origin (Canada), and general disposition of the character (irritable). Unless some proof were to come out that Thomas specifically saw the FOOM submissions, then I'm a lot more likely to believe that Olsen's use of the name (or Thomas' use of the name) is nothing more than a coincidence (though as was pointed out in that article, it's easy to see why Olsen himself would see something that just isn't there).

 

 

Sounds very plausible as a counter-argument.

 

Could simply be the use of the name of a predatory animal species indigenous to Canada, which matched the character profile suggested by Thomas. Timber Wolf was already taken, after all.

 

 

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joe_collector

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Could simply be the use of the name of a predatory animal species indigenous to Canada, which matched the character profile suggested by Thomas. Timber Wolf was already taken, after all.

 

And The Grizzly came out in ASM about the same time - the Badger and the Wolverine sound about right for what was left, and what else were they going to use, The Beaver?

 

And I can't tell you how many "nature shows" I watched that described the wolverine as one of "nature's most ferocious beasts, that would fight a grizzly bear for its kill", etc. The animal was out there, and being heavily publicized during the 70's, and the whole "short, mean and hot-tempered" just went along with the animal characteristics.

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bronze johnny

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If only Tasmanian Devil was available? I wonder what Marvel could have done with this? The Bear, Wolverine, Badger, Rocket Racoon, and Tasmanian Devil- the "Ferocious Five." Watch out X-Men!

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MrWeen

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The real question is this: Is Mister Miracle #12 a prototype for two of Wolverine's claws and 4/5ths of their signature sound effect...???

 

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eBay, here I come!!!! :banana:

 

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Finally someone else understands the importance of Miracle Man 12!

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ChiSoxFan

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In fairness, the huge majority of those animals aren't exactly intimidating enough to make them worthwhile for use as a moniker for a hero/villain.

 

Not too many people are going to get excited about a battle between Spider-Man and the Blue-Crowned Parakeet, for example.

 

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Crimebuster

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In fairness, the huge majority of those animals aren't exactly intimidating enough to make them worthwhile for use as a moniker for a hero/villain.

 

Not too many people are going to get excited about a battle between Spider-Man and the Blue-Crowned Parakeet, for example.

 

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It could happen...

 

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AlexanderM

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In fairness, the huge majority of those animals aren't exactly intimidating enough to make them worthwhile for use as a moniker for a hero/villain.

 

Not too many people are going to get excited about a battle between Spider-Man and the Blue-Crowned Parakeet, for example.

 

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Are you saying that Wolverine was the most dangerous and obvious animal left in the world to put in a comic?

 

I am sure many many just as or more obvious animals could be found.

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Are you saying that Wolverine was the most dangerous and obvious animal left in the world to put in a comic?

 

Yes, he was the most dangerous and obvious CANADIAN animal left, as Grizzly was already slated for ASM. Remember, they wanted a CANADIAN anti-hero for Hulk and to use in the multicultural New X-Men.

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AlexanderM

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Are you saying that Wolverine was the most dangerous and obvious animal left in the world to put in a comic?

 

Yes, he was the most dangerous and obvious CANADIAN animal left, as Grizzly was already slated for ASM. Remember, they wanted a CANADIAN anti-hero for Hulk and to use in the multicultural New X-Men.

 

Well, it is obvious that even if they were inspired by Andy's super-hero contest entry that they would not just put it into an issue without thinking about it more in detail... it did not have a back story.. no context to anything.. and of course they would want some input on clothing etc.

 

So if the starting point was Wolverine... then Canadian! seems like an idea that quickly comes to mind... and then follows all the other aspects of the origin story...

 

Retelling it... like someone said.. that is not how it will be retold (or perhaps even remembered). It will be "we wanted a canadian super-hero..and then..". That is quite obvious.

 

But who knows how it really happened?

 

Another possibility is that they saw the entry but did not register is consciously and just build Wolverine from their mind and were not conscious of where the inspiration came from..this happens every day to all of us - (NLP and many other techniques makes use of this, butthat is another story..).

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