DC and Marvel movie results: 1978 to present 5 5

[drotto]

Always interesting when this stuff comes out.  Forbes has managed to find the UK returns from Infinity War and Endgame.   The reported budgets for these films were 300M and 400M respectively, so combined 700M.  The new Forbes now says these twi films cost a combined 1.3B before tax incentives, and after incentives the cost was around 960M.  So they are again under reporting numbers.  So Forbes is saying Disney earned 1.4 B from these films, but for some reason they are leaving out the 400M to 500M in marketing for these movies.  Meaning two of the biggest movies of all time with 4.8B box office, only made Disney 900M.

 

Now, these are still big numbers, but they have now been repeatedly shown to under report production costs regularly.  So how many of the recent offerings have lost more money than we though, or films that boarderline made money, were actually in the red.

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/carolinereid/2023/09/01/revealed-the-two-avengers-movies-that-made-14-billion-of-profit-for-disney/

Edited September 4, 2023 by drotto

[Bosco685]

On 9/4/2023 at 5:38 PM, drotto said:

Always interesting when this stuff comes out.  Forbes has managed to find the UK returns from Infinity War and Endgame.   The reported budgets for these films were 300M and 400M respectively, so combined 700M.  The new Forbes now says these twi films cost a combined 1.3B before tax incentives, and after incentives the cost was around 960M.  So they are again under reporting numbers.  So Forbes is saying Disney earned 1.4 B from these films, but for some reason they are leaving out the 400M to 500M in marketing for these movies.  Meaning two of the biggest movies of all time with 4.8B box office, only made Disney 900M.

 

Now, these are still big numbers, but they have now been repeatedly shown to under report production costs regularly.  So how many of the recent offerings have lost more money than we though, or films that boarderline made money, were actually in the red.

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/carolinereid/2023/09/01/revealed-the-two-avengers-movies-that-made-14-billion-of-profit-for-disney/

This is the UK labor reports that I have posted about before (and an individual tried to dismiss them for some crazy reason).

Glad to see someone new came around to historic information.

[drotto]

On 9/4/2023 at 5:49 PM, Bosco685 said:

This is the UK labor reports that I have posted about before (and an individual tried to dismiss them for some crazy reason).

Glad to see someone new came around to historic information.

Yeah, they tend to make the studios look bad.

[Bosco685]

On 9/4/2023 at 6:10 PM, drotto said:

Yeah, they tend to make the studios look bad.

And why it was odd to have a forumite defending the studio reporting. Whatever.

[drotto]

On 9/4/2023 at 6:27 PM, Bosco685 said:

And why it was odd to have a forumite defending the studio reporting. Whatever.

Plus, it makes me question how studios convinced themselves to kill so many secondary markets when they went agreesively into streaming. Disc, VOD, Cable airing rights, etc used to be a massive source of post box office income.  They have given up a massive chunk of that by dropping it straight to streaming where it is "free" to subscribers. If a film is not at least close to even in the new market, it will likely never make money.

Edited September 4, 2023 by drotto

[Bosco685]

[media_junkie]

On 9/5/2023 at 6:06 PM, Bosco685 said:

Take Spider-man out of there and ugh, live action superhero movies have bombed this year.

[Bosco685]

On 9/5/2023 at 6:16 PM, media_junkie said:

Take Spider-man out of there and ugh, live action superhero movies have bombed this year.

This video is so on-point it deserves a second post. And that is sad to say.

 

[media_junkie]

On 9/5/2023 at 6:40 PM, Bosco685 said:

This video is so on-point it deserves a second post. And that is sad to say.

 

 Yeah, I'd say the Critical Drinker nails a lot of valid points.

[Bosco685]

[Shazam500]

On 4/12/2014 at 5:36 PM, Bosco685 said:

Since there have been so many posts about who should declare cinema victory over the past few years, maybe it is worth taking a look at the production run of both companies. It doesn't take deep analysis to identify Marvel as the solid quality leader at this time, though Warner is promising large growth over the coming years.

 

The 1978 to present period in DC and Marvel-based productions is comprised of 76 movies. Looking at all included movies as a whole, they had a budget of $9,067,500,000 leading to a worldwide box office revenue total of $30.519,924,346 using USD from their given year of release. If adjusted for 2016 inflation, the overall worldwide box office revenue total is $35,081,492,263.

 

Some movies had a very limited cinema release (Captain America from 1990 mainly appeared in UK theaters and a few other limited international markets), and three movies either were a total direct to video (DTV) release with one being a partial DTV. With the Wes Craven 'Swamp Thing' movie from 1982, it is very unclear what true budget and box office results were noted for the time. Some sites like IMDb mistakenly reference numbers from 'The Return of Swamp Thing' and cannot confirm the results.

 

Suicide Squad is still actively showing in theaters as of this update, and Doctor Strange (movie #77) will be in UK theaters as of October 23.

 

Note: Movie budget and box office results were taken from either Box Office Mojo, IMDb, Rotten Tomatoes or through researching interviews with creators that spoke to the final results (Roger Corman mentioning his total budget for 'The Fantastic Four' was one million dollars). In the case of 'The Fantastic Four' where Marvel purchased the movie for an additional few million dollars so as not to have it released to the public, this has not been included in the final analysis. %20really%3F%20Arad%22&f=false'>Los Angeles Magazine, March 2005

 

http://i.imgur.com/2QdrSOs.png

 

I'll be looking at this dataset from different analysis points to determine the success, failures and break-evens of both companies.

 

[Shazam500]

Very cool stats chart - thanks for sharing this

[paperheart]

i don't know where this belongs but does shed some light on why the DCEU was a distant second to the MCU in every metric that mattered: fan reaction, critical reaction, box office

https://variety.com/2023/film/news/david-fincher-blade-meeting-man-of-steel-2-david-s-goyer-1235731062/

In a career-spanning interview on the “Happy Sad Confused” podcast, “Man of Steel” writer David S. Goyer agreed with host Joshua Horowitz that Warner Bros. should’ve developed a standalone Superman sequel with Henry Cavill instead of attempting to mount a cinematic universe with “Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice.” The studio did so in order to compete with Marvel.

“I know the pressure we were getting from Warner Bros., which was, ‘We need our MCU! We need our MCU!’ And I was like let’s not run before we walk,” Goyer said. “The other thing that was difficult at the time was there was this revolving door of executives at Warner Bros. and DC. Every 18 months someone new would come in. We were just getting whiplash. Every new person was like, ‘We’re going to go bigger!'”

“I remember at one point the person running Warner Bros. at the time had this release that pitched the next 20 movies over the next 10 years. But none of them had been written yet!” Goyer continued in amazement. “It was crazy how much architecture was being built on air… This is not how you build a house.”

Goyer worked closely with Christopher Nolan on the “Dark Knight” trilogy and the two conceived of a Superman movie that would become Zack Snyder’s 2013 tentpole “Man of Steel.” Goyer wrote the film. But Cavill never got the chance to lead another standalone Superman movie, as the remainder of his time in the crimson cape was spent in universe-building tentpoles such as “Batman v Superman” and “Justice League.”

 

[Bosco685]

On 9/21/2023 at 10:32 PM, paperheart said:

i don't know where this belongs but does shed some light on why the DCEU was a distant second to the MCU in every metric that mattered: fan reaction, critical reaction, box office

Really? 

Just unlike Marvel Studios where it stuck to its plan despite failures (The Incredible Hulk) or break-even results (Captain America: The First Avenger), WB couldn't help but to continue tampering with any plan.

 

[paperheart]

while two of the three MCU could be termed disappointing and the third one an outright bomb, the DCEU

 

Edited September 28, 2023 by paperheart

[Bosco685]

Based on the production budget recorded by TheNumbers...

[paperheart]

On 11/14/2023 at 3:34 AM, Bosco685 said:

Based on the production budget recorded by TheNumbers...

bleak year for CBM theatrical profitability (Marvels estimated), only Aquaman2 to turn the tide

[paperheart]

just horrific #'s, may struggle to get past $100M US #turkeydaysaveus

1.) The Marvels (Dis) 4,030 theaters Thu $1.2M (-31% from Wed), Wk $54.8M/Wk 1

  

 

Edited November 17, 2023 by paperheart

[Bosco685]

[paperheart]

nearly done in China, no chance it gets to even $20M vs $154M for CM; WW will not hit $300M

Edited November 17, 2023 by paperheart