media_junkie Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 On 11/17/2023 at 4:31 PM, paperheart said: nearly done in China, no chance it gets to even $20M vs $154M for CM; WW will not hit $300M This movie could cause Marvel/Disney to lose a boatload of money, like $250+ million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosco685 Posted November 17, 2023 Author Share Posted November 17, 2023 On 11/17/2023 at 5:01 PM, media_junkie said: This movie could cause Marvel/Disney to lose a boatload of money, like $250+ million. But at what point does Captain Marvel take the lead of the Avengers - the first $200M or $300M I get so confused with these informed predictions. Larryw7 and bentbryan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paperheart Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 Disney/Marvel Studios’ The Marvels at 4,030 is seeing a second Friday of $3.5M and second weekend of $12.25M (-73%) for a running total by Sunday of $67M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
media_junkie Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 On 11/17/2023 at 8:00 PM, paperheart said: Disney/Marvel Studios’ The Marvels at 4,030 is seeing a second Friday of $3.5M and second weekend of $12.25M (-73%) for a running total by Sunday of $67M. I honestly thought the drop off would be greater. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paperheart Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 On 11/17/2023 at 6:50 PM, media_junkie said: I honestly thought the drop off would be greater. why? worst CBM 2nd weekend drop off is Morbius at 74% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paperheart Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 $2.8M Friday, looks like worst 2nd weekend drop of any CBM. 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadroch Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 A movie that features three strong female characters, and the fanboys hate it. How unexpected. Was there any kissing? Mr Sneeze, Randall Dowling and PovertyRow 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeR138 Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 Where are all of the strong females when it comes time to buy tickets? Artboy99, CAHokie and PopKulture 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VintageComics Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 On 11/18/2023 at 11:12 AM, shadroch said: A movie that features three strong female characters, and the fanboys hate it. How unexpected. Was there any kissing? You're twisting the reality. Fanboys don't "hate it", the GENERAL PUBLIC hates it. You can't build the argument in one thread that "fanboys don't even make up the majority of movie goers" (like Jaybuck - a true media expert by trade made) and then in another thread just say "it's the fanboy's fault". Ridiculous but typical if you only see the world through selfish glasses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VintageComics Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 On 11/18/2023 at 11:36 AM, WeR138 said: Where are all of the strong females when it comes time to buy tickets? The same place all the strong females are in the WNBA when it comes time to buy tickets. It's easy to preach solidarity through a social media account but that's very different than acting in solidarity in real life. Social media is a different world but it's not the real world. media_junkie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
namisgr Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 On 11/18/2023 at 11:36 AM, WeR138 said: Where are all of the strong females when it comes time to buy tickets? Using their brains to avoid a movie that tells a dull story with childish character development and no depth. paperheart, WeR138 and VintageComics 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeR138 Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 On 11/18/2023 at 12:57 PM, namisgr said: Using their brains to avoid a movie that tells a dull story with childish character development and no depth. Aren't we all Brother. namisgr 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Sneeze Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 On 11/18/2023 at 11:44 AM, VintageComics said: You're twisting the reality. Fanboys don't "hate it", the GENERAL PUBLIC hates it. You can't build the argument in one thread that "fanboys don't even make up the majority of movie goers" (like Jaybuck - a true media expert by trade made) and then in another thread just say "it's the fanboy's fault". Ridiculous but typical if you only see the world through selfish glasses. No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VintageComics Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 On 11/18/2023 at 1:57 PM, namisgr said: On 11/18/2023 at 11:36 AM, WeR138 said: Where are all of the strong females when it comes time to buy tickets? Using their brains to avoid a movie that tells a dull story with childish character development and no depth. On this I can agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VintageComics Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 On 11/18/2023 at 2:23 PM, Mr Sneeze said: On 11/18/2023 at 11:44 AM, VintageComics said: You're twisting the reality. Fanboys don't "hate it", the GENERAL PUBLIC hates it. You can't build the argument in one thread that "fanboys don't even make up the majority of movie goers" (like Jaybuck - a true media expert by trade made) and then in another thread just say "it's the fanboy's fault". Ridiculous but typical if you only see the world through selfish glasses. No I'm assuming he's talking about why the movie is doing poorly in general because he didn't quote anybody specifically. On 11/18/2023 at 11:12 AM, shadroch said: A movie that features three strong female characters, and the fanboys hate it. How unexpected. Was there any kissing? According to Jaybuck the majority of moviegoers, or the "target audience" aren't "fanboys" (or fangirls for that matter) so they can't be responsible for the movie doing this poorly. They'd only be responsible for a small slice of the pie and the movie would be doing low numbers, but not "all time low" numbers. Or was he talking to specific people in this thread without quoting anybody and saying because there wasn't any sexual innuendo they don't like the movie? Aren't these young girls in the movie and the movie was made for a young teen crowd? If so, that's an inappropriate way to discuss it. What am I missing? I think the reason the movie bombed was nailed in the locked thread by the female critic Bosco posted (can't remember her name). The movie seemed to be targeted to the young female crowd (pre adulthood) but was marketed to adults. That's a marketing bomb of biblical proportions and that makes the most sense in light of everything discussed. jimjum12 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VintageComics Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 On 11/18/2023 at 3:26 PM, VintageComics said: The movie seemed to be targeted to the young female crowd (pre adulthood) but was marketed to adults. That's a marketing bomb of biblical proportions and that makes the most sense in light of everything discussed. Separate question that would really put things into perspective. What are the best grossing children's movies of all time and should Marvels be placed in that category? It seems that kids movies generally gross roughly half of what the top adult movies gross, so maybe it's a mistake to box in Marvels with other MCU movies in General then, as all the previous "canon" MCU movies were actual adult movies. So if Marvels grosses $300MIL, it would be considered a failure as an MCU canon movie but would actually be considered a top 20 flich as a children's movie, albeit not against it's budget. And THAT is where Disney execs blew it. The marketing was so convoluted and the budget so overblown for what this was, that it HAD to be corporate blunder after corporate blunder that made this movie the dumpster fire it became. Y'all see how easy it is to problem solve when everyone isn't bickering amongst each other? Does anyone disagree? https://www.statista.com/statistics/792519/kids-box-office-revenue-north-america/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bosco685 Posted November 19, 2023 Author Share Posted November 19, 2023 This poor young lady. But her mindset is right in that all she could do was her best to make this a positive situation. Mr Sneeze, JMcLean and bentbryan 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
media_junkie Posted November 19, 2023 Share Posted November 19, 2023 On 11/18/2023 at 7:33 PM, Bosco685 said: This poor young lady. But her mindset is right in that all she could do was her best to make this a positive situation. Ok, I'll give her props for that. That is an amazingly well adjusted attitude to have. bentbryan, Mr Sneeze, Bosco685 and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VintageComics Posted November 19, 2023 Share Posted November 19, 2023 (edited) On 11/18/2023 at 7:39 PM, media_junkie said: Ok, I'll give her props for that. That is an amazingly well adjusted attitude to have. I doubt it was easy on her and I'm sure it took a lot of courage to post that. The movie actually isn't a flop. It's just that the world's expectations weren't managed well by Disney. Disney projected the expectations of a $1BIL film when in fact, if they'd projected the expectations of a $300MIL film everyone would have been thrilled. In effect, Disney threw the careers of the people involved with the movie under the bus because of their poor decision making. What they did to the people involved is actually pretty disgusting in hindsight but common practice in the corporate world. -------------------------------------------------- Similar thing happened to John Carter of Mars. Remember that movie? It really was a well done movie with a $263 Million dollar budget that should have been a BLOCKBUSTER. Instead, John Carter inexplicably bombed and basically ruined Taylor Kitsch's career. He hasn't been cast in a similar 'blockbuster' movie since, has he? These people literally are willing to ruin the lives of the people they employ. Bud Light did it too. The CEO LITERALLY went public to beg the public to to "think of the employees" for HIS mistake while he collects $12 Million a year plus bonuses? EFFING CLOWN WORLD. These people are literally mentally ill. And if they do it to them, they'll do it to you and anyone in their way. They would bury you in a heartbeat if it meant saving their own skins. These are the people everyone loves. Edited November 19, 2023 by VintageComics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
