Bosco685 Posted November 20, 2023 Author Share Posted November 20, 2023 78.1% domestic second weekend drop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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paperheart Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 $900M less than CM The humble Watcher lurking 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bosco685 Posted November 20, 2023 Author Popular Post Share Posted November 20, 2023 "BVS had a second weekend drop-off of 69.1% ya know?!" "Well what about The Marvels??" "Yeah. Well. Uhmmm. Your momma is fat!" ThothAmon, media_junkie, Larryw7 and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bosco685 Posted November 21, 2023 Author Share Posted November 21, 2023 Aggregated this has been a horrible year for comic book movies. Standalone, Sony killed it with Spider-Man: Across The Spider-Verse so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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drotto Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 On 11/22/2023 at 11:49 AM, Bosco685 said: Is this movie going to be under $200M world wide? How does the MCU move forward after this and Quantumania? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drotto Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 On 11/19/2023 at 11:12 AM, EastEnd1 said: I'm not implying that this movie hasn't disappointed, but just a heads up that most movies aren't profitable based on just the studio's take from box office (generally 50% of the gross). They usually become profitable after all the secondary revenue streams... downloads, streaming subscription and licensing fees, international rights, broadcast rights, etc. factor in. You can also layer in more indirect streams like video game licenses, toy licensing deals, character theme park licenses, and so on. The studios have methodologies for allocating these streams back to the original properties (and btw, those production costs are spread out across the various revenue streams, not just assigned against theatrical box office). It's not uncommon at all for a box office disappointment to become a profitable movie overall. Having said that, I'm sure Disney projected a much higher box office for Marvels, which also detrimentally affects all those secondary revenue streams. Certainly financial forecasts for this film will be missed, and Disney Finance will be hyper-analyzing the results. But whether they'll actually book a loss at this point is difficult to say. Yes, but many of these streams have been greatly reduced or even eliminated with Dinsey now putting everything onto a proprietary streaming service. Being purchased by D+ is money shifting pockets, not being made. DVD/Blu-ray is tiny now, this film is not being sold to places like Netflix or HBO, like it would be in the past, ABC is another arm of Disney so does not really count, and with D+, VOD is not a thing with this film. Also toys and merchandising seems to be miniscule compared to past MCU properties. Ms Marvel has already bombed as a character in video games with the last Avenger game, where she was the central character, posting millions in loses. I know film finances are murky at best, and usually downright fraudulent, but the last few films will be very hard pressed to ever make their budgets and marketing back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosco685 Posted November 22, 2023 Author Share Posted November 22, 2023 On 11/22/2023 at 4:40 PM, drotto said: Is this movie going to be under $200M world wide? How does the MCU move forward after this and Quantumania? I think between excessively forgiving fans and marketing via select news sites and social media influencers Disney is going into overdrive to make this about men hating on female leads. Not the changes that influenced the current results. So audiences will be the deciding factor on what needs to change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VintageComics Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 (edited) On 11/22/2023 at 5:47 PM, Bosco685 said: I think between excessively forgiving fans and marketing via select news sites and social media influencers Disney is going into overdrive to make this about men hating on female leads. Not the changes that influenced the current results. So audiences will be the deciding factor on what needs to change. They are shilling their product and putting out disinformation? Color me shocked. They are quite literally making this movie political and divisive for no other reason than money, and there you have the entire world in a microcosm. All that matters is the Benjies, no matter who has to suffer. I am so happy that people are starting to see the ugly side of Disney as it gets exposed. More expose like this needs to happen. Edited November 23, 2023 by VintageComics 1950's war comics 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosco685 Posted November 23, 2023 Author Share Posted November 23, 2023 Looks like the new Hunger Games is hanging in there at the box office Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paperheart Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 in honor of Oppenheimer, Disney launches another $200M bomb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VintageComics Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 (edited) On 11/23/2023 at 12:57 PM, paperheart said: in honor of Oppenheimer, Disney launches another $200M bomb There is an entire new economy forming, if people are not aware. Besides laws being passed in various regions around the US to prevent ESG investment companies from flourishing, there are now actual trade shows JUST for these types of groups, who are choosing only to do business with each other and not other businesses that support the ESG agenda. The *we're not allowed to say it here* side is being boycotted in greater measure across the board than most realize, and it may be that Disney is in now the crosshairs. How are other Disney movies performing over all, relative to other movie houses? Or are all movies failing now, just because post-pandemic nobody really wants to go to the movies anymore? @Bosco685 Great question for you. Edited November 23, 2023 by VintageComics 1950's war comics 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosco685 Posted November 23, 2023 Author Share Posted November 23, 2023 On 11/23/2023 at 4:00 PM, VintageComics said: There is an entire new economy forming, if people are not aware. Besides laws being passed in various regions around the US to prevent ESG investment companies from flourishing, there are now actual trade shows JUST for these types of groups, who are choosing only to do business with each other and not other businesses that support the ESG agenda. The *we're not allowed to say it here* side is being boycotted in greater measure across the board than most realize, and it may be that Disney is in now the crosshairs. How are other Disney movies performing over all, relative to other movie houses? Or are all movies failing now, just because post-pandemic nobody really wants to go to the movies anymore? @Bosco685 Great question for you. No. This has nothing to do with the politics associated with parties attempting to influence ESG going away or expanding its influence. That would be forcing an assumption into this. It all comes down to changes to the original MCU concept and framework, made to freshen up the approach so as not to grow stale, and it backfiring. Along with other general audience perceptions how they needed to grow more appealing to other audience members. And what some say feels like they dismissed the original portion of the audience that got them where Marvel Studios landed as a creative juggernaut. bentbryan and EastEnd1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bosco685 Posted November 26, 2023 Author Share Posted November 26, 2023 On 11/23/2023 at 12:57 PM, paperheart said: in honor of Oppenheimer, Disney launches another $200M bomb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bosco685 Posted November 26, 2023 Author Share Posted November 26, 2023 A few years ago: Sell it all to Disney! Now: Sell it all to Apple! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
