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Cole Schave collection: face jobs?

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originalisbest

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Would be nice to have some form of response from Zaid, Nelson and/or Litch at this point.

 

This issue is NOT going away...I ensure you.

 

It's nice of you to ensure me, but I already have coverage. ;)

 

:facepalm:

 

BTW, I agree with you, and was just having some fun with the word mixup. :)

 

Mixup?

 

You may want to google the word 'ensure'.

 

Let us agree to disagree on the awkwardness of your phrasing then, if not the more-or-less correct nature of it:

 

en·sure

transitive verb \in-ˈshu̇r\

: to make (something) sure, certain, or safe

en·sureden·sur·ing

Full Definition of ENSURE

: to make sure, certain, or safe : guarantee

 

as·sure

transitive verb \ə-ˈshu̇r\

: to make (something) certain

: to tell someone in a very strong and definite way that something will happen or that something is true

 

Assure is something you do to a person, a group of people, or an animal to remove doubt or anxiety, as in Squiggly assured Aardvark that he'd come to the party early. You can remember that assure can only be used with things that are alive (and both assure and alive start with a). Only things that are alive can feel doubt or anxiety, so only they can be assured.

 

Ensure is something you do to guarantee an event or condition, as in To ensure there'd be enough food, Aardvark ordered twice as much food as last year. You can remember that guarantee has those two e's on the end to help you remember that to ensure (with an e) is to guarantee something.

 

FWIW, for my joke to be correct, you'd have to have said insure. So in this, I was also wrong. :) If you had said "I will ensure it" then you'd be correct. If you had said "I assure you" that too would be correct. But you cannot "ensure" me. And probably not insure me either, unless that happens to be your line.

 

 

 

It took this wonderful post to ensure that the dork it was directed at was assured of his ineptness.

Well done (thumbs u

 

A little late to the party Stretch :makepoint:

 

This ONE time I was correct on a matter of grammar, I'm going to use to make up for the future error-ridden post I will surely make before too long. :D

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jimjum12

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1. Is it just uber high grade books that were stored in a controlled environment that have a propensity to shrink?

2. Are beaters less likely to shrink since they have been introduced into a hostile environment already?

3. What is the sweet spot of humidity and temperature?

4. What is the correct amount of time under heat that allows for the cover to shrink?

5. Is it the way the book is actually made?

6. Could it have been defective paper from that time period?

7. Bad techniques?

8. Is it being done on purpose?

 

The list is exhaustive. The only way to really do it right is to try multiple combinations on multiple books.

 

Possibilities 1 and 2 seem unlikely. Learning points 3 and 4 should the primary goal for experimentation. We may never know 5 and 6 either way. Point 7 is self-evident--nobody wants shrinkage, so yes, if you're shrinking, that's bad, stop doing what you're doing. Matt explicitly communicated that himself by writing one of his "improper pressing" articles on shrinkage. Possibility 8 isn't at all likely, although it may be done not exactly on purpose but with willful disregard for whether or not the shrinkage actually ends up happening.

 

The easiest way to reduce the number of combinations is to start with high humidity by dunking in water, measure, press on the highest heat that won't start a fire and measure again on multiple copies of the same title and issue. If they all do the same thing after humidity or they all do the same thing after the press--which shouldn't happen to both variables unless you got unlucky with the copies you picked--you should have a benchmark. Then you'd have to repeat at lower humidities and lower temperatures and keep repeating until you never see shrinkage again. You may be able to rule out humidity or heat early on if either technique never results in shrinkage.

 

But yea, it's not easy and could require as much as a few hundred test candidates. My guess is it would take far fewer, but it would take at least dozens to find out the complete range that leads to shrinkage. If you're COMPLETELY certain that you yourself have never shrunken a cover--and perhaps you're not if this didn't occur to you until this thread--then you already know a safe lower range for humidity and temperature and that it must be above what you're using now. You might actually start by looking back at whatever before and after scans you have of past books you've done to see if you may have shrunken a cover and didn't notice it because the difference was so slight.

 

Thanks for the various thoughts -- Joey, I look forward to what you find out in the new year! :)

 

 

...... and please do keep in mind, that when a regular book, paperback or hardback, is saturated with water, the pages almost always SWELL ..............GOD BLESS....

 

-jimbo(a friend of jesus) (thumbs u

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DrWatson

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I just purchased a hand held microscope and will take before and after pictures of books that were pressed. Corners, staples and outside edges. It will be after the new year before I start any of that but it will give us a better idea of what is going on when a book is pressed.

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Ghost Town

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There are so many factors to take into consideration it would be difficult at best to draw any conclusion based on one group of books from the era we are looking at.

 

1. Is it just uber high grade books that were stored in a controlled environment that have a propensity to shrink?

2. Are beaters less likely to shrink since they have been introduced into a hostile environment already?

3. What is the sweet spot of humidity and temperature?

4. What is the correct amount of time under heat that allows for the cover to shrink?

5. Is it the way the book is actually made?

6. Could it have been defective paper from that time period?

7. Bad techniques?

8. Is it being done on purpose?

 

The list is exhaustive. The only way to really do it right is to try multiple combinations on multiple books.

Joe, one of things that really makes some Costanzas noticeable is the upper right corner of the books. It makes me think that the covers not only shrunk, but they were also shifted up and to the left. I know the left part could be shrinkage, but that doesn't explain the up part. Any thoughts about that?

 

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THE_BEYONDER

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There are so many factors to take into consideration it would be difficult at best to draw any conclusion based on one group of books from the era we are looking at.

 

1. Is it just uber high grade books that were stored in a controlled environment that have a propensity to shrink?

2. Are beaters less likely to shrink since they have been introduced into a hostile environment already?

3. What is the sweet spot of humidity and temperature?

4. What is the correct amount of time under heat that allows for the cover to shrink?

5. Is it the way the book is actually made?

6. Could it have been defective paper from that time period?

7. Bad techniques?

8. Is it being done on purpose?

 

The list is exhaustive. The only way to really do it right is to try multiple combinations on multiple books.

Joe, one of things that really makes some Costanzas noticeable is the upper right corner of the books. It makes me think that the covers not only shrunk, but they were also shifted up and to the left. I know the left part could be shrinkage, but that doesn't explain the up part. Any thoughts about that?

 

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:bump: Into 2014

 

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Dr. Love

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I don't know if this particular book was addressed recently, but from this it looks as if CGC has caught a reverse spine roll and punished rather than rewarded it. Before the mess hit the fan would this book have gotten a full grade bump? or is this a case where the buyer chose unwisely, given the creasing on the right corner in a now tight grading environment?

 

and btw the ebay seller brightened the image on the back cover to reduce the noticeable shadow on the bottom edge. Also, of course, the census will never be updated to reflect the now missing 7.0.

 

Showcase #9 7.0 OWW on Heritage $1792.50 on 5/16/13

 

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Showcase #9 6.5 OW on Ebay from collectors_comics, currently at $665 ending later tonight

 

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I don't know if this particular book was addressed recently, but from this it looks as if CGC has caught a reverse spine roll and punished rather than rewarded it. Before the mess hit the fan would this book have gotten a full grade bump? or is this a case where the buyer chose unwisely, given the creasing on the right corner in a now tight grading environment?

 

and btw the ebay seller brightened the image on the back cover to reduce the noticeable shadow on the bottom edge. Also, of course, the census will never be updated to reflect the now missing 7.0.

 

Showcase #9 7.0 OWW on Heritage $1792.50 on 5/16/13

 

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Showcase #9 6.5 OW on Ebay from collectors_comics, currently at $665 ending later tonight

 

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Interesting. He even got a downgrade on the PQ!

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jimjum12

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That book should never have gotten a 7.0 to begin with..... just my opinion. GOD BLESS....

 

-jimbo(a friend of jesus) (thumbs u

 

Indeed.

 

5.5 at best.

 

...... yeah, an eBay 5.5...... I've wiped me arse with better books. GOD BLESS...

 

-jimbo(a friend of jesus) (thumbs u

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batman_fan

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That book should never have gotten a 7.0 to begin with..... just my opinion. GOD BLESS....

 

-jimbo(a friend of jesus) (thumbs u

 

Indeed.

 

5.5 at best.

 

...... yeah, an eBay 5.5...... I've wiped me arse with better books. GOD BLESS...

 

-jimbo(a friend of jesus) (thumbs u

 

Can I have them when your done :wishluck:

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BEAUMONTS

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That book should never have gotten a 7.0 to begin with..... just my opinion. GOD BLESS....

 

-jimbo(a friend of jesus) (thumbs u

 

Indeed.

 

5.5 at best.

 

...... yeah, an eBay 5.5...... I've wiped me arse with better books. GOD BLESS...

 

-jimbo(a friend of jesus) (thumbs u

Which bring's up the obvious question, would the ARSE wiped comic's look better then the Cole Shaver style fugly pressed comics? And further more, would they have pedigree status or a mere "from the ARSE wipe collection"? (shrug)

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batman_fan

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That book should never have gotten a 7.0 to begin with..... just my opinion. GOD BLESS....

 

-jimbo(a friend of jesus) (thumbs u

 

Indeed.

 

5.5 at best.

 

...... yeah, an eBay 5.5...... I've wiped me arse with better books. GOD BLESS...

 

-jimbo(a friend of jesus) (thumbs u

Which bring's up the obvious question, would the ARSE wiped comic's look better then the Cole Shaver style fugly pressed comics? And further more, would they have pedigree status or a mere "from the ARSE wipe collection"? (shrug)

 

Should be easy to identify based on the smell :sick:

 

but would they be easy to counterfeit? hm

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