Captain America Comics #1 Club 14 14

[Chicago Boy]

16 hours ago, G.A.tor said:

Cgc doesn’t call trimming “restoration “. Yes they put in a purple label ( but they don’t assign a restoration designation (like a1 or c1). They don’t say “restoration includes” like they do with restoration. They just note the trimming in an apparent grade 

Why the “ CGC restored grade title “ in the banner then ?  

[Mr bla bla]

32 minutes ago, Chicago Boy said:

Why the “ CGC restored grade title “ in the banner then ?  

Because the grade is restored, not the book👀

[G.A.tor]

3 hours ago, Chicago Boy said:

Why the “ CGC restored grade title “ in the banner then ?  

That’s the label the chose to put it in to alert folks books is not universal , that it’s been altered. Maybe they should have chosen green/qualified but they don’t consider trimming restoration. 

[Chicago Boy]

1 hour ago, G.A.tor said:

That’s the label the chose to put it in to alert folks books is not universal , that it’s been altered. Maybe they should have chosen green/qualified but they don’t consider trimming restoration. 

Thanks for your insight. That’s news to me but  it’s news I’m happy to hear 👍🏻

[telerites]

15 hours ago, G.A.tor said:

That’s the label the chose to put it in to alert folks books is not universal , that it’s been altered. Maybe they should have chosen green/qualified but they don’t consider trimming restoration. 

Rick

I ask because of my ignorance and confusion and not to contradict the statement.

Has their stance changed on trimming and am I looking at an old page of theirs where they note 11 enhancements that are considered restoration -

"There are 11 basic enhancements that qualify as restoration: color touch, piece fill, tear seals, spine split seals, reinforcement, piece re-attachment, cleaning, staple replacement, re-glossing, glue and trimming."

https://www.cgccomics.com/resources/restoration/

Edited August 13, 2020 by telerites

[G.A.tor]

1 hour ago, telerites said:

Rick

I ask because of my ignorance and confusion and not to contradict the statement.

Has their stance changed on trimming and am I looking at an old page of theirs where they note 11 enhancements that are considered restoration -

"There are 11 basic enhancements that qualify as restoration: color touch, piece fill, tear seals, spine split seals, reinforcement, piece re-attachment, cleaning, staple replacement, re-glossing, glue and trimming."

https://www.cgccomics.com/resources/restoration/

Overstreet also lists trimming in that broad definition versus “destruction “ or some other adjective 

but when you look at their label if it’s just trimmed , no other restoration “added” to book they don’t define it as “restored”. They don’t offer a restored quality assessment (like A1 or C1). So yes, appears contradictory, but it’s more of a catch all imo 

[telerites]

24 minutes ago, G.A.tor said:

Overstreet also lists trimming in that broad definition versus “destruction “ or some other adjective 

but when you look at their label if it’s just trimmed , no other restoration “added” to book they don’t define it as “restored”. They don’t offer a restored quality assessment (like A1 or C1). So yes, appears contradictory, but it’s more of a catch all imo 

Thank you.

I found this book which I assume should be blue since trimming is all that was done.

The reason I pursuing this is that I posted in a thread in General about a seller (via Ebay but also a member here) sold books that should have been in a PLOD label.  Trimming was one of the label notes on at least book.  I posted the information and page that I linked above stating CGC's stance and am now seeing there should have been clarity. 

The book below was not one the books sold recently but one I found.

Edited August 13, 2020 by telerites

[Chicago Boy]

Seems to me a green label is more appropriate. It’s very misleading 

[G.A.tor]

2 hours ago, telerites said:

Thank you.

I found this book which I assume should be blue since trimming is all that was done.

The reason I pursuing this is that I posted in a thread in General about a seller (via Ebay but also a member here) sold books that should have been in a PLOD label.  Trimming was one of the label notes on at least book.  I posted the information and page that I linked above stating CGC's stance and am now seeing there should have been clarity. 

The book below was not one the books sold recently but one I found.

If you notice they didn’t put “restoration includes” like they do on restored books

so they noted it (like they note signatures and such) and they didn’t assign a restoration level qualifier (like A1 or C2 etc). 

they do put in a purple label, though as the book is altered so wouldn’t qualify for a blue ...Maybe green would be a better choice?

Edited August 13, 2020 by G.A.tor

[telerites]

1 minute ago, G.A.tor said:

If you notice they didn’t put “restoration includes” like they do on restored books

so they noted it (like they note signatures and such) and they didn’t assign a restoration level qualifier (like A1 or C2 etc). 

they do put in a purple label, though as the book is altered so wouldn’t qualify for a blue ...Maybe green would be a better choice?

Thanks again, Rick.  Apologies for my confusion which could be because I am just old, but I fixate of the label color and automatically to go restored.  I am not sure which is best as I thought with GLODs, the grade shown is without the defect considered?  So is the 4.5 graded down because of restoration?

Below is one of my books in a GLOD.  I have thought about resubbing to get into a Universal and be downgraded for the detached CF.  

I guess I am too color preoccupied and unfortunately both greens and purples have a negative stigma.

[G.A.tor]

6 hours ago, telerites said:

Thanks again, Rick.  Apologies for my confusion which could be because I am just old, but I fixate of the label color and automatically to go restored.  I am not sure which is best as I thought with GLODs, the grade shown is without the defect considered?  So is the 4.5 graded down because of restoration?

Below is one of my books in a GLOD.  I have thought about resubbing to get into a Universal and be downgraded for the detached CF.  

I guess I am too color preoccupied and unfortunately both greens and purples have a negative stigma.

I believe you would get a blue label in the 6.5/7.0 range if you send this in. 
 

I just remember taking with Cgc not that long ago about trimmed. I personally thought it should be in a green 

[telerites]

Just now, G.A.tor said:

I believe you would get a blue label in the 6.5/7.0 range if you send this in. 
 

I just remember taking with Cgc not that long ago about trimmed. I personally thought it should be in a green 

Yes agree on the grade compared to others I have.  And out of the choices, green would be the best.

Sorry to have pestered but appreciate clarification.

[Primetime]

42 minutes ago, G.A.tor said:

I believe you would get a blue label in the 6.5/7.0 range if you send this in. 
 

I just remember taking with Cgc not that long ago about trimmed. I personally thought it should be in a green 

If you request "no green labels" at the time of submission, they will give you the downgraded blue label (if appropriate). 

Edited August 13, 2020 by Primetime

[G.A.tor]

39 minutes ago, telerites said:

Yes agree on the grade compared to others I have.  And out of the choices, green would be the best.

Sorry to have pestered but appreciate clarification.

I think blue would be more attractive and more valuable than green 

[Primetime]

1 minute ago, G.A.tor said:

I think blue would be more attractive and more valuable than green 

if the cover is green, i'd take a green label to match 

[Sensei Ryan]

Is it me, or did the Cap 1 3.0 go from a bid of 34.5K (reserve not met) to 29.75K (reserve not met) today?  When you click on the bid history it states that 30K is the reserve now (since it will be the next bid) but if that's the case, where did the higher bids go from before?  Anyone have a guess as to what happened (the reserve being lowered AND disappearance of bids, that is).

Seems odd that both these things could happen together...don't you think?  

[lhcomics]

7 hours ago, Sensei Ryan said:

Is it me, or did the Cap 1 3.0 go from a bid of 34.5K (reserve not met) to 29.75K (reserve not met) today?  When you click on the bid history it states that 30K is the reserve now (since it will be the next bid) but if that's the case, where did the higher bids go from before?  Anyone have a guess as to what happened (the reserve being lowered AND disappearance of bids, that is).

Seems odd that both these things could happen together...don't you think?  

I think the 34.5K bid was not by a bidder but Clink showing that just 1 more bid and it can be yours. Probably the seller thought the comic wasn't going to hit the $35K reserve so he told Clink to lower the reserve to 30K making the new high bid by Clink (not a real bidder) be $29.75. Looks like that reserve won't be met. Hope so for the seller.

[Sensei Ryan]

8 minutes ago, lhcomics said:

I think the 34.5K bid was not by a bidder but Clink showing that just 1 more bid and it can be yours. Probably the seller thought the comic wasn't going to hit the $35K reserve so he told Clink to lower the reserve to 30K making the new high bid by Clink (not a real bidder) be $29.75. Looks like that reserve won't be met. Hope so for the seller.

I'm not saying that you're wrong, but I've never heard of an auction house bidding on their own items for sale to drive up the price (because technically that's what they'd be doing if they did what you suggested).  It seems weird to me, because the 34.5K bid was legit, and the seller lowered the reserve from 35K to 30K, the high bid should still be 34.5 (and not drop nearly 5 thousand dollars) to 29.75K...if that makes sense.

Does Clink allow bid retractions?  Maybe that happened coupled with the seller lowering the reserve but to have both happen simultaneously seems more than just a coincidence...

[bluechip]

21 hours ago, Sensei Ryan said:

It seems weird to me, because the 34.5K bid was legit, and the seller lowered the reserve from 35K to 30K, the high bid should still be 34.5 (and not drop nearly 5 thousand dollars) to 29.75K...if that makes sense.

Does Clink allow bid retractions?  Maybe that happened coupled with the seller lowering the reserve but to have both happen simultaneously seems more than just a coincidence...

The lowering of the reserve would have to trigger an opportunity to withdraw any bids above the newly lowered reserve.  

When someone makes a bid and it doesn't meet the reserve, it's essentially the same as being outbid.  So you can't (or shouldn't be able to) tell a bidder they've been outbid and then say oh now that we know that you won't bid higher, the bid that exceeded yours has been withdrawn.  The other bidder (be it an actual person or a reserve) in any such situation allowing that would be able to bid against all other bidders and push you to the limit without any risk of losing an item they wanted or winning an item they didn't want.  

Edited August 26, 2020 by bluechip

[Sensei Ryan]

Final hammer came in at 30K...so whoever bid it up higher (assuming that Clink allowed them to withdraw their bids) before the reserve reduction got it for about 4K cheaper than whoever bid them up the first time.  Congrats to whoever won it!!!