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Bigger SA Key: Flash 105 or Justice League of America 1?

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Bigger SA Key: Flash 105 or JLA 1  

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  1. 1. Bigger SA Key: Flash 105 or JLA 1

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AlexanderM

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JLA is the title that inspider FF 1 and the Marvel age of comics.

So, JLA is my choice

 

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And it is actually the first JLA in own title. The first Flash in own title is "Flash Comics #1". Flash 105 is merely first in SA.

 

When comparing JLA1 to the real McCoy Flash Comics #1... Flash Comics #1 wins ;)

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Flash 105 predates JLA 1 by a year.

 

Hard to say 100% if Flash would be in JLA without SC 4 and Flash 105 (and on); however, given the model of the JSA I think he would have been included even without a solo title at that point.

 

Just my opinion though.

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Does JLA #1 exist if not for Flash #105? hm

 

Does amazing spiderman 129 exist if not for amazing spiderman 128?

 

That is irrelevant.

 

I'm not sure how your example illustrates anything remotely relevant to this discussion. As pointed out above, #105 came out a year earlier. Flash was the lynchpin of the reintroduction of heroes, in new versions, for the Silver Age of DC. Without the success of Flash it's likely the others wouldn't have followed. Without the success of a Flash solo title, it's likely that other solo titles wouldn't have followed. Neither irrelevant nor a stretch.

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Does JLA #1 exist if not for Flash #105? hm

 

Does amazing spiderman 129 exist if not for amazing spiderman 128?

 

That is irrelevant.

 

I'm not sure how your example illustrates anything remotely relevant to this discussion. As pointed out above, #105 came out a year earlier. Flash was the lynchpin of the reintroduction of heroes, in new versions, for the Silver Age of DC. Without the success of Flash it's likely the others wouldn't have followed. Without the success of a Flash solo title, it's likely that other solo titles wouldn't have followed. Neither irrelevant nor a stretch.

 

 

If Amazing Spiderman 128 (and earlier issues) was not successful, it's possible that 129 and later would not have happened.

 

Fact is 129 is much more important than 128 although it stands on the shoulders of 128.

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Does JLA #1 exist if not for Flash #105? hm

 

Does amazing spiderman 129 exist if not for amazing spiderman 128?

 

That is irrelevant.

 

I'm not sure how your example illustrates anything remotely relevant to this discussion. As pointed out above, #105 came out a year earlier. Flash was the lynchpin of the reintroduction of heroes, in new versions, for the Silver Age of DC. Without the success of Flash it's likely the others wouldn't have followed. Without the success of a Flash solo title, it's likely that other solo titles wouldn't have followed. Neither irrelevant nor a stretch.

 

 

If Amazing Spiderman 128 (and earlier issues) was not successful, it's possible that 129 and later would not have happened.

 

Fact is 129 is much more important than 128 although it stands on the shoulders of 128.

 

All true, but in the way that Tuesday follows Monday. Monday needn't have anything particularly special for Tuesday to follow. Without Flash #105 setting the stage for other DC books dedicated to individual heroes or teams, JLA #1 was not a guarantee. Meanwhile, ASM #129 was going to come along, assuming that people bought enough copies of #128 to make printing it a viable proposition. But nothing in the content of #128 made #129 any more or less inevitable, or, in other words, it was Tuesday following Monday. Not the same thing.

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Does JLA #1 exist if not for Flash #105? hm

 

Does amazing spiderman 129 exist if not for amazing spiderman 128?

 

That is irrelevant.

 

I'm not sure how your example illustrates anything remotely relevant to this discussion. As pointed out above, #105 came out a year earlier. Flash was the lynchpin of the reintroduction of heroes, in new versions, for the Silver Age of DC. Without the success of Flash it's likely the others wouldn't have followed. Without the success of a Flash solo title, it's likely that other solo titles wouldn't have followed. Neither irrelevant nor a stretch.

 

 

If Amazing Spiderman 128 (and earlier issues) was not successful, it's possible that 129 and later would not have happened.

 

Fact is 129 is much more important than 128 although it stands on the shoulders of 128.

 

All true, but in the way that Tuesday follows Monday. Monday needn't have anything particularly special for Tuesday to follow. Without Flash #105 setting the stage for other DC books dedicated to individual heroes or teams, JLA #1 was not a guarantee. Meanwhile, ASM #129 was going to come along, assuming that people bought enough copies of #128 to make printing it a viable proposition. But nothing in the content of #128 made #129 any more or less inevitable, or, in other words, it was Tuesday following Monday. Not the same thing.

 

Yes, assuming that people bought enough copies of 128. You are saying that the fact that people bought "enough copies of Flash 105" might have motivated JLA1.. So pretty similar argument.

 

Anyway - I actually doubt that JLA1 was published due to the success of Flash 105. Rather the opposite is often true... when characters couldn't stand on their own... they were made into teams instead. If Flash 105 did not happen I think it had changed nothing for JLA1.. perhaps Flash would still be in JLA because DC used JLA to revive several GA properties - and rather than try his own title, they might have put him straight into JLA1. Alternatively he would not have been part of JLA... but since he was part in BB28 the most probable is that the (lack of) success of Flash 1 had very little or nothing to do with that decision.

 

The decision to publish 129 on the other hand had something to do with whether 128 or earlier issues were a success.

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Does JLA #1 exist if not for Flash #105? hm

 

Does amazing spiderman 129 exist if not for amazing spiderman 128?

 

That is irrelevant.

 

I'm not sure how your example illustrates anything remotely relevant to this discussion. As pointed out above, #105 came out a year earlier. Flash was the lynchpin of the reintroduction of heroes, in new versions, for the Silver Age of DC. Without the success of Flash it's likely the others wouldn't have followed. Without the success of a Flash solo title, it's likely that other solo titles wouldn't have followed. Neither irrelevant nor a stretch.

 

 

If Amazing Spiderman 128 (and earlier issues) was not successful, it's possible that 129 and later would not have happened.

 

Fact is 129 is much more important than 128 although it stands on the shoulders of 128.

 

All true, but in the way that Tuesday follows Monday. Monday needn't have anything particularly special for Tuesday to follow. Without Flash #105 setting the stage for other DC books dedicated to individual heroes or teams, JLA #1 was not a guarantee. Meanwhile, ASM #129 was going to come along, assuming that people bought enough copies of #128 to make printing it a viable proposition. But nothing in the content of #128 made #129 any more or less inevitable, or, in other words, it was Tuesday following Monday. Not the same thing.

 

Yes, assuming that people bought enough copies of 128. You are saying that the fact that people bought "enough copies of Flash 105" might have motivated JLA1.. So pretty similar argument.

 

Anyway - I actually doubt that JLA1 was published due to the success of Flash 105. Rather the opposite is often true... when characters couldn't stand on their own... they were made into teams instead. If Flash 105 did not happen I think it had changed nothing for JLA1.. perhaps Flash would still be in JLA because DC used JLA to revive several GA properties - and rather than try his own title, they might have put him straight into JLA1. Alternatively he would not have been part of JLA... but since he was part in BB28 the most probable is that the (lack of) success of Flash 1 had very little or nothing to do with that decision.

 

The decision to publish 129 on the other hand had something to do with whether 128 or earlier issues were a success.

 

This argument seems similar to proposing that the Avengers would have been published even without JIM #83 or TOS #39. The successful reintroduction of Flash paved the way for the rest of the DC SA. Flash #105 paved the way for the remainder of the solo books (i.e. not Showcase or B&B). You're assuming that the rest of the DCU evolves the same way even if those key events surrounding the Flash don't happen. #105 was a necessary catalyst to JLA #1, and without the success of Flash the course of the DCU wouldn't have gone the same way.

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Does JLA #1 exist if not for Flash #105? hm

 

Does amazing spiderman 129 exist if not for amazing spiderman 128?

 

That is irrelevant.

 

I'm not sure how your example illustrates anything remotely relevant to this discussion. As pointed out above, #105 came out a year earlier. Flash was the lynchpin of the reintroduction of heroes, in new versions, for the Silver Age of DC. Without the success of Flash it's likely the others wouldn't have followed. Without the success of a Flash solo title, it's likely that other solo titles wouldn't have followed. Neither irrelevant nor a stretch.

 

 

If Amazing Spiderman 128 (and earlier issues) was not successful, it's possible that 129 and later would not have happened.

 

Fact is 129 is much more important than 128 although it stands on the shoulders of 128.

 

All true, but in the way that Tuesday follows Monday. Monday needn't have anything particularly special for Tuesday to follow. Without Flash #105 setting the stage for other DC books dedicated to individual heroes or teams, JLA #1 was not a guarantee. Meanwhile, ASM #129 was going to come along, assuming that people bought enough copies of #128 to make printing it a viable proposition. But nothing in the content of #128 made #129 any more or less inevitable, or, in other words, it was Tuesday following Monday. Not the same thing.

 

Yes, assuming that people bought enough copies of 128. You are saying that the fact that people bought "enough copies of Flash 105" might have motivated JLA1.. So pretty similar argument.

 

Anyway - I actually doubt that JLA1 was published due to the success of Flash 105. Rather the opposite is often true... when characters couldn't stand on their own... they were made into teams instead. If Flash 105 did not happen I think it had changed nothing for JLA1.. perhaps Flash would still be in JLA because DC used JLA to revive several GA properties - and rather than try his own title, they might have put him straight into JLA1. Alternatively he would not have been part of JLA... but since he was part in BB28 the most probable is that the (lack of) success of Flash 1 had very little or nothing to do with that decision.

 

The decision to publish 129 on the other hand had something to do with whether 128 or earlier issues were a success.

 

This argument seems similar to proposing that the Avengers would have been published even without JIM #83 or TOS #39. The successful reintroduction of Flash paved the way for the rest of the DC SA. Flash #105 paved the way for the remainder of the solo books (i.e. not Showcase or B&B). You're assuming that the rest of the DCU evolves the same way even if those key events surrounding the Flash don't happen.

 

That's not similar at all. JIM83 and TOS39 introduced those and they would not have existed and could not have been in Avengers.

 

Did Flash 105 introduce the Flash? No. Of course Flash could still have been in JLA regardless of Flash 105.

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