STAR WARS : Episode VIII December 15, 2017 4 4

[Mr Sneeze]

Maybe their setting up Rey and Kylo to get together in episode nine and make force babies, neither too evil or too good and bring balance to the force. I say this in jest but there were a few nipples pointing us in this direction. 

[fantastic_four]

10 minutes ago, Mr Sneeze said:

I say this in jest but there were a few nipples pointing us in this direction.

Methinks you're mixing up in your head The Last Jedi with one of the porno versions of Star Wars.  

[The Brain]

Saw it today in 3D XD.  Great installment that carries the franchise forward.

 

7.5 out of 10. Might have been a little to long at the end.

[Martin Sinescu]

Did anyone else catch the Hardware Wars gag?

[jsilverjanet]

saw this in the afternoon, and i have to say i was disappointed. i agree with much of what has already been said multiple times here. But the biggest disappointment for me was Luke. Such a great character, such a wonderful opportunity wasted. What was the point of this movie? How did it advance anything from the force awakens. I understand the issues with that movie, but it set up what should have been a very good movie and it did nothing but destroy everything built up in the previous movie.

I knew the movie was in trouble with the first joke. I don't think I've ever seen a joke like that in a SW movie.

[jsilverjanet]

the worst part for me was the ending..here I am thinking, finally, some redemption for the past 2+ hours I've sat through this waste, finally Luke has come to his senses, Luke is going to throw down...

 

[WernerVonDoom]

9 minutes ago, jsilverjanet said:

...finally Luke has come to his senses....

 

Yep, that is the biggest problem with the movie. Luke was not Luke.

[zuckuss2003]

Luke was Luke, just 30 years older.

I enjoyed episode 8, I did not love it. I had a lot of ideas on how things might play out. But, Luke said it himself. This is not going to go how you think it will go. 

I am actually very excited to see what happens next.

[Bosco685]

Rian Johnson addresses fan backlash against The Last Jedi

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No doubt the low rating is the work of trolls ganging up on the movie, but there are plenty of fans out there who did not like Rian Johnson’s approach to the movie and his attempt to break new ground. Fans have been coming at Johnson heavily on social media but, as a STAR WARS fan himself, Johnson recently came out and said he’s not taking any of it personally.

"I'm aware through my own experience that, first of all, the fans are so passionate, they care so deeply — sometimes they care very violently at me on Twitter. But it's because they care about these things, and it hurts when you're expecting something specific and you don't get it from something that you love. It always hurts, so I don't take it personally if a fan reacts negatively and lashes out on me on Twitter. That's fine. It's my job to be there for that. Like you said, every fan has a list of stuff they want a "Star Wars" movie to be and they don't want a "Star Wars" movie to be. You're going to find very few fans out there whose lists line up."

 

Because there are so many fans with their own dream list of stuff they hope happens in the next movie you must step back and realize there’s no way to please everyone. This is why you have to ignore everyone and make the best movie possible because, no matter what, some fans are going to despise you:

 

"And I also know the same way the original movies were personal for Lucas. Lucas never made a "Star Wars" movie by sitting down and thinking, "What do the fans want to see?" And I knew if I wrote wondering what the fans would want, as tempting as that is, it wouldn't work, because people would still be shouting at me, "  you, you ruined 'Star Wars,'" and I would make a bad movie. And ultimately, that's the one thing nobody wants."

 

Anyone who has been on Twitter that last few days has seen countless, hateful tweets aimed at Johnson for “ruining their childhood” by not telling us Rey is the secret lovechild of Obi-Wan Kenobi and Princess Leia, but Johnson said the responses he’s gotten has actually been mostly positive:

 

"And let me just add that 80-90% of the reaction I've gotten from Twitter has been really lovely. There's been a lot of joy and love from fans. When I talk about the negative stuff, that's not the full picture of the fans at all."

 

[fantastic_four]

The universal truth of Star Wars films is that adults who are unable to frame their storytelling perceptions within the limits of a 12-year old will never enjoy any Star Wars film.  Kids love "The Last Jedi," just as almost everyone in the thread would have loved it if we were 12.  And if you had seen "The Empire Strikes Back" when you were 35 as opposed to a kid, you wouldn't have been able to relate to the bad acting, the overly-simplistic moralizations throughout the story,  the idea of a Yoda puppet being one of the main characters, or another few dozen bad aspects of the film one could list despite it being the best of the series.

Having an English degree with about a half-dozen classes in film and media design makes me more than capable of seeing the flaws in all of these films, but I don't use that critical eye; I intentionally turn it off for these films because I know it's futile to use it.  What's the point?  I never would have loved the original Star Wars film had I had that critical eye when I was six years old.  I have always had a strong moral sense, however, probably instilled on me by these very films as well as superhero comics, so I just leave that on and dive into the action, pacing, and special effects.  And that makes it extremely simple to just love most of these films.  Phantom Menace was definitely the worst film, but I still really, really liked it.  I could EASILY list a hundred awful things about that film, but those just wash over me and I focus on Ian McDiarmid's splendid performance as Palpatine, Ray Park's scintillating acrobatics as Darth Maul, and the action, action, action.

There's no pleasing adults who have lost their childhoods, want to re-gain it with something like a Star Wars movie, but aren't able to get back to that childhood.  They're expecting the impossible, but they'll never stop complaining when they don't get it.

[jsilverjanet]

It’s a bad film with no real purpose

[jsilverjanet]

I went to the dentist afterwards for a deep cleaning. I enjoyed that far more. It has nothing to do with being 12 and wanting my childhood back   the movie isn’t enjoyable. Many parts felt awkward (humor), storylines felt out of place (Finn), repetitive (battle scenes). bad writing (decided to not answer any of the questions raised in TFA making them insignificant). The Leia godmother through space scene alone is a major eyeroll. Luke’s final goodbye is wasted. nothing of this has anything to do with my comparison of the original trilogy of the prequels etc. bad is bad. 12 years like it? Critics also did. I guess that explains.

[I like pie]

17 minutes ago, jsilverjanet said:

I went to the dentist afterwards for a deep cleaning. I enjoyed that far more. 

I've had almost a week to digest it and this movie still sucks. It would have been salvageable if they kept true to Luke's character BUT even then, it had so many flaws, it still would be the worst SW.

[Bosco685]

54 minutes ago, fantastic_four said:

There's no pleasing adults who have lost their childhoods, want to re-gain it with something like a Star Wars movie, but aren't able to get back to that childhood.  They're expecting the impossible, but they'll never stop complaining when they don't get it.

That feels like an oversimplification of the situation.

Because Star Wars fans took in the first three movies in the franchise as a foundation, and based that foundation as the go-forward structure for the characters they lost their childhood? It seems more like they opened themselves up to being accepting of what Lucas established, and went along for the ride to see that foundation blossom further. Not to ignore it, and act like it wasn't really an absolute.

[Gatsby77]

1 hour ago, zuckuss2003 said:

Luke was Luke, just 30 years older.

I enjoyed episode 8, I did not love it. I had a lot of ideas on how things might play out. But, Luke said it himself. This is not going to go how you think it will go. 

I am actually very excited to see what happens next.

This.

Luke here took on the exact mantle that Yoda did in Empire -- and not just in his reluctance to train a new Jedi.

He's a wizened old master, tired of the conflict and refusing to kill -- but he still steps up one last time when needed.

Recall that one of Yoda's first lines was bemusement when Luke addresses him as a "great warrior" in Empire, saying "wars don't make one great."

So Luke does what he needs to and saves the resistance without any needless bloodshed, humiliating Kylo Ren in the process.

Further, if you look closely, notice that Kylo Ren's footwork shows up in the salt, leaving red tracks. Luke's does not.

[I like pie]

24 minutes ago, Gatsby77 said:

This.

Luke here took on the exact mantle that Yoda did in Empire -- and not just in his reluctance to train a new Jedi.

He's a wizened old master, tired of the conflict and refusing to kill -- but he still steps up one last time when needed.

Recall that one of Yoda's first lines was bemusement when Luke addresses him as a "great warrior" in Empire, saying "wars don't make one great."

So Luke does what he needs to and saves the resistance without any needless bloodshed, humiliating Kylo Ren in the process.

Further, if you look closely, notice that Kylo Ren's footwork shows up in the salt, leaving red tracks. Luke's does not.

This isn't accurate. Luke closes himself off to the force totally. He is hiding on the island because he is waiting to die.

Edited December 20, 2017 by I like pie

[fantastic_four]

22 minutes ago, Bosco685 said:

Because Star Wars fans took in the first three movies in the franchise as a foundation, and based that foundation as the go-forward structure for the characters they lost their childhood? It seems more like they opened themselves up to being accepting of what Lucas established, and went along for the ride to see that foundation blossom further. Not to ignore it, and act like it wasn't really an absolute.

This is the exact same adult criticism people used for Episodes I, II, and III except now you're pitting Kathleen Kennedy against Lucas.  A decade and a half ago the hardcore fans were pitting Lucas-later versus Lucas-earlier.  If we were kids we wouldn't be thinking any of that, we'd be focusing on the action, conflict, and special effects.

I was 12 by the time Return of the Jedi and the Ewoks hit, and those teddy bears were beginning to seem dumb to the older kid I had become, but I rolled with it.  I did the same with Jar Jar Binks at the age of 28, but I marveled at the people who endlessly complained about him not realizing that these have ALWAYS been children's movies.

Edited December 20, 2017 by fantastic_four

[bane]

1 minute ago, fantastic_four said:

This is the exact same adult criticism people used for Episodes I, II, and III except now you're pitting Kathleen Kennedy against Lucas.  A decade and a half ago the hardcore fans were pitting Lucas-later versus Lucas-earlier.  If we were kids we wouldn't be thinking any of that, we'd be focusing on the action, conflict, and special effects.

I was 12 by the time Return of the Jedi and the Ewoks hit, and those teddy bears were beginning to seem dumb to the older kid I had become, but I rolled with it.  I did the same with Jar Jar Binks at the age of 28, but I marveled at the people who endlessly complained about him not realizing that these have ALWAYS been children's movies.

I will let you know what my 10 year old nephew thinks when he watches it on Saturday.

He loved the originals, the prequels and TFA, his favourite character is Vader. IMO I think he will be bored by large parts of this movie.

[Gatsby77]

17 minutes ago, I like pie said:

Luke closes himself off to the force totally. He is hiding on the island because he is waiting to die.

True. But that does not at all negate what I posted. He's also wizened old master, tired of the conflict and refusing to kill.

And he still steps up when needed, in a way that enables him to diffuse the conflict without succumbing to the Dark Side.

It sounds like some folks are frustrated that he didn't mind-crush some AT-ATs and run Kylo (or Snoke) through with a green lightsaber.

The Luke we met in Jedi would _never_ do that, nor would his mentors -- Kenobi or Yoda.

[Martin Sinescu]

38 minutes ago, Gatsby77 said:

This.

Luke here took on the exact mantle that Yoda did in Empire -- and not just in his reluctance to train a new Jedi.

He's a wizened old master, tired of the conflict and refusing to kill -- but he still steps up one last time when needed.

Recall that one of Yoda's first lines was bemusement when Luke addresses him as a "great warrior" in Empire, saying "wars don't make one great."

So Luke does what he needs to and saves the resistance without any needless bloodshed, humiliating Kylo Ren in the process.

Further, if you look closely, notice that Kylo Ren's footwork shows up in the salt, leaving red tracks. Luke's does not.

Yes. A lot of this is how I took it. People change, people grow, people evolve. Yoda's appearance and further coaching showed that Luke, even near the end of his life, was still not fully matured and had further lessons to learn, as we all do. But, yes, I thought Luke's decision in the end was brilliant tactically and a noble final gesture in that the energy he expended to project himself ultimately did sacrifice his life. I really loved that entire final battle and I'm sorry to see so many others didn't get the same enjoyment from it.