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STAR WARS : Episode VIII December 15, 2017
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zhamlau

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27 minutes ago, fantastic_four said:

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LOL....god a line by line recounting of his opinions and rationalizations followed up by an ever present like-minded friend following up with a "wow you're the best" meme...We have hit internet debate perfection...

TLJ and its Spinoff did 1/2 of what the first film/spinoff combo did. The Chinese market looks all but lost to the films based on performances. Spinoff films were being worked on but no are not. all of those are facts you may have not agreed on those but they are true. I personally find those to be very damning of KK and her vision for the franchise and its future, and I can very easily see a corporation doing the same. You do not, that's all this is despite all the high handed "Im calling out BS" self aggrandizing. 

 

 

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1 minute ago, zhamlau said:

like-minded friend following up with a "wow you're the best" meme

That meme was directed at EVERYONE who has pointlessly ballooned this thread by 5+ pages over the last 24 hours in the thread including Gower.  I've had Chuck Gower on relaxed mental ignore for years along with the other dozen or so forum members who insist on framing every discussion as a debate.

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16 minutes ago, fantastic_four said:

That meme was directed at EVERYONE who has pointlessly ballooned this thread by 5+ pages over the last 24 hours in the thread including Gower.  I've had Chuck Gower on relaxed mental ignore for years along with the other dozen or so forum members who insist on framing every discussion as a debate.

then thats my bad. Im sorry i misread that.

 

One question: Honestly did you think TLJ was a good movie?

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1 minute ago, valiantman said:
15 minutes ago, zhamlau said:

One question: Honestly did you think TJL was a good movie?

The Jedi Luke? hm

LOL, actually id rather have watched that movie (fixed that btw).

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Directors get all the hype, but directors appreciate good producers because they enable them to make films without having to worry about where everything's coming from and how it's going to get paid for.  All of the media chatter about Kathleen Kennedy for the last year or so has been about as ridiculously idle as talk of firing Bill Bellichick of the New England Patriots, Bob Myers of the Golden State Warriors, Brian Cashman of the New York Yankees, or insert your favorte insanely successful sports General Manager here since that's the role that best parallels what producers are to films.  I can only assume the people who are buying it are mostly unfamiliar with who she is.

Kennedy is pretty much a ten-time All-Star and by leaps and bounds the most powerful and respected woman in Hollywood, and she's been that since not long after Spielberg helped boost her to where she's at in the late 70s and 80s.  It'd take a LOT more than even five unprofitable Star Wars films for Disney to come anywhere near to firing her.  Lucas specifically replaced himself with her in his role as the head of Lucasfilm right before he sold it to Disney as a signal to them that Kennedy is the person he trusts the most to direct his company without him leading it.

Here she is with Lucas and her eventual husband Frank Marshall on Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom:

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And here she is with Spielberg on her first major producing success on E.T.:

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I can, however, see Kennedy shifting back to film production and away as head of LucasFilm only if another Kevin Feige came around.  But Kevin Feiges are available in about the same supply that a LeBron James or Tom Brady is, i.e. they either don't or barely exist.  The particular challenge with this is that the people with the creative chops to guide a sizable film universe typically want to write or direct and not run a company.  DC hoped that would work out with Geoff Johns, but as is the case with most creatives he really didn't want to be an exec and returned to creative work.  I was really hoping Johns would become the next Feige too, but that dream died when he stepped down as the head of DC Entertainment earlier this year.

J.J. Abrams MIGHT be a Kennedy replacement, but as far as I can tell he doesn't want the job much more than Johns ultimately did.  Abrams has never left screenwriting or directing for long before taking it up again.  He's got his own production company in Bad Robot that he half-manages and half leaves to other people to manage so he can keep making movies.

But just saying "fire Kathleen Kennedy" is ridiculous.  That's like saying "fire Kevin Durant because he's no LeBron James!"  :screwy:  OK, sure, you're right, but until you've got a LeBron James lined up, better not fire one of the best producers of all time, eh?  You can't get rid of Kennedy without already having another star filmmaker lined up who you can put a name to.

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1 hour ago, fantastic_four said:

That meme was directed at EVERYONE who has pointlessly ballooned this thread by 5+ pages over the last 24 hours in the thread including Gower.  I've had Chuck Gower on relaxed mental ignore for years along with the other dozen or so forum members who insist on framing every discussion as a debate.

@Chuck Gower -- You got 5 more pages in you?  I think we can pull it off. 

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:popcorn:

Don't you love when people make a scene and complain about what other people choose to talk about...?

It's like they think they own the place, and can dictate, through peer pressure, what is, and is not, acceptable posting. So people like to "frame every discussion as a debate", as some might claim. And...? So...? If you don't like the way someone posts, ignore them. No one is forced to read anything anyone else writes.

And people call ME condescending...

lol

 

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6 minutes ago, mattn792 said:

@Chuck Gower -- You got 5 more pages in you?  I think we can pull it off. 

There’s nothing to debate. 

His side is made up of:

1. Information that is completely unverified by anyone with any clout in the industry. 

2. The notion that making $2 Billion films is a realistic goal for any franchise (it’s not - there’s only 4 films in history thatve ever gotten there)

3. And that somehow the WANTS of a small group of Star Wars fans is going to change the direction of a company that did a BILLION dollars on a movie - just the movie mind you - Star Wars was also the #1 selling toy franchise last Christmas and the DVD/BluRay the #1 seller of the year. 

Whatever change they might make will be based upon what THEY want to change. Not an group of internet fans. 

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Just now, Chuck Gower said:

There’s nothing to debate. 

His side is made up of:

1. Information that is completely unverified by anyone with any clout in the industry. 

2. The notion that making $2 Billion films is a realistic goal for any franchise (it’s not - there’s only 4 films in history thatve ever gotten there)

3. And that somehow the WANTS of a small group of Star Wars fans is going to change the direction of a company that did a BILLION dollars on a movie - just the movie mind you - Star Wars was also the #1 selling toy franchise last Christmas and the DVD/BluRay the #1 seller of the year. 

Whatever change they might make will be based upon what THEY want to change. Not an group of internet fans. 

No, the heck with that, I meant you and I could pull off 5 more pages easy.  We can even move off Episode VIII and into other (vaguely, some would say very vaguely) Star Wars related topics...

- If Leia was GM of the Mets, would she have traded deGrom?
- Better fit at the 5 for the Warriors:  Chewbacca, or another collection of guys who can fill space?
- Green sea monster milk: the next PED to be flagged by USADA?

We got this.

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4 minutes ago, mattn792 said:

No, the heck with that, I meant you and I could pull off 5 more pages easy.  We can even move off Episode VIII and into other (vaguely, some would say very vaguely) Star Wars related topics...

- If Leia was GM of the Mets, would she have traded deGrom?
- Better fit at the 5 for the Warriors:  Chewbacca, or another collection of guys who can fill space?
- Green sea monster milk: the next PED to be flagged by USADA?

We got this.

Honestly, I don’t have that much interest in Star Wars. I can take it or leave it, though seeing TFA was something I wanted to experience and most likely I’ll go see IX at the theater. 

I just have an issue with people who alter reality or reverse engineer a scenario to make their statement seem to have some merit. 

That’s the reverse of critical thinking, and approach to hypothesis. 

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I am a strong Believer in Strip Club Philosophy and Wisdom, myself. Not that I want to debate it, but still.....

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3 hours ago, fantastic_four said:

That meme was directed at EVERYONE who has pointlessly ballooned this thread by 5+ pages over the last 24 hours in the thread including Gower.  I've had Chuck Gower on relaxed mental ignore for years along with the other dozen or so forum members who insist on framing every discussion as a debate.

‘Relaxed Mental Ignore’. LOL. That’s a good one.

What is it your still butthurt about from... 7-8 years ago? 

Just put me on ignore there, slugger, if it pains you that much to read my posts. I have plenty of people on ignore and it makes the forum so much easier to navigate. 

It wont hurt my feelings, I’ll still be able to read YOURS. Generally I find we’re usually on the same side of a topic, but, whatever it was I disagreed with you about from 7-8 years ago, I guess was bad enough it’s stuck with you.

Me, I like to discuss things. I like to debate things. I like to think. Some people can hang, some people can’t. But if you don’t like it, that’s tough. 

I didn’t come here to intellectually jerk off people who agree with me. I came here hoping for some intellectually stimulating  conversation about comics and pop culture. 

But gol dang, if I didn’t find a whole bucha glass houses. 

I’m not TRYING to step on toes. Odds are if you go back and find whatever it was I did or said, I’d most likely agree I was a little aggressive or whatever and say, sorry.

It’s just words. It’s just a discussion. It’s suppossed to be fun. I personally LIKE it when someone gives me a good challenge - this guy zamlau or whatever - I didn’t agree with anything he said - but we volleyed great on the points - and then...

YOU gave him a reason to disrespect me with your silly meme.

Because that’s what you meant was disrespect. 

If anyone is guilty of anything in this thread it’s YOUR condescension toward people you weren’t even in the conversation with. 

Who the h-e-double-toothpick do you think you are?

Got a point for the conversation? Join in. Otherwise, take your holier than thou ideas of how I should personally post and stick it. 

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