MOST VALUABLE MODERN VARIANTS - THE RANKINGS 17 17

[Jaydogrules]

2 hours ago, ygogolak said:

There will never be enough of the Vengeance of Moon Knight as it is indeed on of the most rare. Still, two recent sales is worthy.

Spawn #189 has sold for $1,100 last year and this year. 3 sales total with an average of $1,016.

Spawn #185 is not trackable as is only sells raw. Yet its' still on YOUR list.

Love pointing out the holes in your random assemblage.

What "holes"? The Spawn 185 makes the list because it sells for $2k+ raw which is more than what many of the books that do make the list sell for in a slabbed 9.8.

Spawn 189 doesn't make the list because the cheapest book on here sells for $1500+.

The virgin edition of Vengeance of Moon Knight is a ten year old book that only has two total slab sales ever, the first, just in April of this year, and only one first to market 9.8, and is more likely than not a second printing.  There are plenty of other books on this list that are as rare or rarer that have sold for big $ for years and that's the obvious answer for why there are more slabbed copies.  Read the initial mission statement and criteria of this list on page 1 of the thread if you have any further questions or concerns.  

-J.

Edited July 10, 2018 by Jaydogrules

[Jaydogrules]

 

Finally getting a chance to update this list.  No new entrants this time, but lots of movement within the list, including that ultra exclusive, and rightfully difficult to penetrate "Top 5".  Also of note, when I first decided to start doing this list over a year ago, the #12 book was able to make the list with sales of 9.8's of just over $1,000.  Now, a book needs to have multiple sales of at least $1500 just to make this list- a testament to not only the staying power of these books, but their continuing upward mobility. 

I also decided to add a new "On The Outside, Looking In" Feature to this list- three books, in no particular order, that just barely missed the cut, for whatever reason (and may end up making the cut in future updates).  For this period, they are:

 

*Rick and Morty #1, Roiland (2015)-  Yes, this book is now three years old and officially qualifies to make the list.  However, due to a long and well documented history of questionable ebay sales, seemingly artificially skewing the value of the book, it misses the cut this time.

*Black Panther #1, Campbell Partial Sketch (2009)-  A former entrant on this list until a string of weaker sales caused it to fall off, strong recent raw sales of this book include one for about $1400 and another one for $1600 have it knocking on the door once again.  Would like to see a sale for a 9.8 and/or stronger slab sales to get back on this list.

*Ultimate Fallout #4, Djurdjevic (2011)-  It kind of seems inevitable that the first appearance of Miles Morales will make this list.  One big recent sale of a 9.8 for $1625 may mean that time is very near.

 

And now here is your Dirty Dozen of Most Valuable Modern Variants, 2018 Q3 Edition-

 

#12- Walking Dead #100, Lucille/Red Foil Editions (2012)-  This landmark issue of The Walking Dead features the introduction of the iconic Negan.   These crazy- rare issues seriously spiked when word first leaked that he would (finally) be making his appearance in the show.  Despite a single recent sale of a multiple signed 9.8 for $2500, I am placing this book at #12 this update due to the presence of numerous other 9.8 copies for sale on ebay for less than that (as low as $1499) that have not sold. 

 

#11- X-23 #1, Dell'Otto (2010)- The undeniable popularity of this book has recently resulted in first-  the image of it was re-used, not on a reprint, but as a cover for an entirely new comic, which itself has sold out, and is already going for as much as $300 on the secondary market.  And that hasn't slowed down or diminished demand for the original either as a 9.8 has recently sold for $1500, a 9.6 for $950, and an 8.5 for $730 push this book up one spot this update.  Combined with the fact that X-23 remains Marvel's hottest female character right now, a very well received introduction in the film Logan, serious discussions for a solo film, and a breath-taking cover that may be one of her best depictions to date, and you have a book that will likely continue to bounce around on this list for a long time to come. 

 

#10- Captain Marvel #14, 1:30 variant (2013)-  Moving up a spot this time around, this tough to find book boasts the first cameo appearance of Kamala Khan before she would become the new Ms. Marvel and an overnight sensation. Featuring a majestic take of her idol, Captain Marvel, standing atop a jet, it is certainly an apt introduction to what would become Marvel's next superstar. A recent announcement from the powers that be at Marvel that this character is being primed for introduction into the MCU have caused prices of this book to spike, with recent sales of a couple of 9.6 copies pushing $2k in a 9.6. 

 

#9-  Edge of Spider-verse #2, 1:25 variant (2014)-  Who would have thunk it?  A 9.8 copy of this book selling for an astounding $2,700 recently?  "YES!".  Whomever would have thought what seemed like a throw away one-off character would have this kind of staying power and turn out to be this popular?  Well it happened, so deal with it.  And now with a much talked about appearance on the big screen in the upcoming Spider-Verse movie (that title taken from the title of this book), it is looking like Spider-Gwen is here to stay.  Prices for this book are not only strong in a 9.8, causing it to move up a spot this update, but in most down grades, proving that the demand for this book is not only real, but quite strong.  So get used to it.   

 

#8- Amazing Spider-Man #700, Ditko (RIP, 1927-2018)    (2013)- This hearty ASM 1:200 book remains in the #8 slot as this book continues to show impressive strength in 9.8 yellow labels with recent sales in excess of $2,750.  By the looks of things it seems these also seem to be drying up into collections, as renewed interest in many ASM 700 variants in general continue to push it forward, with this one easily being the cream of the crop.  Featuring the first (full) appearance of Superior Spider-man, the "death" of Peter Parker, and the original un-used cover for Amazing Fantasy 15 by the late, great Mr. Steve Ditko, this book has been highly sought after since it first released, and will likely only continue to charge forward into the future.

 

#7- Spawn #185, Sketch (2008)-  Despite no recent 9.8 sales, the recent appearance and sales of several raw copies for $1,500- $2,000 earn this book a spot at #7.   But talk about ridiculously rare? Geesh! One of Image's original and longest running titles checks in here with its most valuable RI variant to date (maybe even Image's most valuable book, period). Clocking in at $2750 the last time a 9.8 copy came up for sale publicly, the scant census numbers should keep rare variant chasers on their heels and this book in high value and esteem for the foreseeable future.  Given the recent interest in older rare Spawn covers, the long term prospects for this book are looking bright indeed.

 

#6- Siege #3, J. Scott Campbell (2010)- Holding at #6 with a recent 9.8 sale of $2,950, this bizarre retailer incentive that involved destroying other comic books, a super hot artist, and one of Marvel's most trendy characters flossing on the cover are the perfect recipe to keep this book firmly in the Top Ten. 

#5- Wolverine #1, J. Scott Campbell (2010)- Here we have another  JSC cover, this one his finest, though dropping a couple of spots to #5 with another recent sale of a 9.8 for $3,250. Even a low grade (for a modern) 6.0 copy has gone for just under $700.  How many modern comics can you say have done that?   Featuring a stocky Wolverine bulging out of Deadpool's costume, breaking the fourth wall as he smirks slyly at the viewer, this book recently had a rarely seen slabbed blue label 9.8 sell for $3350 and is very strong in all down grades, as well as raw. It was a "destroy comics" incentive to retailers, an incentive that was so derided in the industry that it has yet to be repeated, but resulted in a book with a very low print run and insatiable demand. It was the uber-high sales prices of this book a couple of years ago that really got the JSC train going at 100 miles per hour, and if it ever stops chugging along, people will still be paying big money for this book, and this one will likely be the one book for which he is most remembered in the years to come.  In this writer's opinion, this will end up being the one book that Campbell is best known for.  The fact that it combines two of Marvel's most popular characters and a Wolverine aping Deadpool's fourth-wall breaking sense of humour truly does showcase Campbell at his best.

 

#4- Uncanny X-Men #510 Partial Sketch, J. Scott Campbell (2009)- Without a doubt the most valuable and hard to find convention book out there, 9.6 copies of these have sold for $2800, and a recent sale of a slabbed 9.4 for $5,000 causes this book to move up a spot this update.   This book proves once that Campbell + crazy rarity + beautiful pin-up art = salivating fans and $$$. With a raw copies of this also cracking $2000, all things considered, it wouldn't take much for this book to jump even higher on this list, and indeed its legacy of high sales, coupled with a complete and total lack of copies appearing on the market should ensure its presence within to Top 5 in perpetuity.

#3- Batman #608 RRP (2002)-  Despite a blockbuster sale of a Jim Lee signed 9.8 copy for $5,500 on July 9 this modern age stalwart drops one spot this update.  The combination of it being Batman, a first appearance of a new character (on the cover),  Part One of a story line that put the Batman title back on top, deep within the run of a popular, long running title, 15 years old, ridiculously rare, and by the highly regarded Jim Lee, might make this the "perfect variant".  This is the "granddaddy" of the DC "RRP" line of books, and maybe even the age of modern variants as we know it to a certain extent.  With that recent 9.8 sale of $5,500 and 9.6's reaching nearly $3,000, and raw copies hitting $2100, even a 7.0 copy fetching $1,136, and copies seeming to have all but disappeared into personal collections, don't expect to get this one on the cheap ever again (when you can even find one).   

 

#2- Amazing Spider-Man #678 (2012)-  Moving all the way up to the #2 spot this go-round, this book has been on a bit of a tear lately, with multiple 9.6 copies pushing $3k, a signed 9.0 selling for $2,500, and a 9.8 selling for a whopping $6k on July 6, a new all time high, and the first 9.8 copy to sell publicly in two and a half years.  This now classic and oft-reprinted and homaged cover was a 1:50 variant when sales of ASM barely cracked 50,000, and features Mary Jane in mid-possession by the alien symbiote known as Venom. Its character mash-up and spoof elements made it an instant hit right out of the gate and it never looked back. So strong is the pull of this book that it raised to prominence (and value) of most, if not all of the other "Venom Variants" that were released outside of the ASM title that same month, which has led to a brand new batches of Venom variants released over the years, as well as Venomized villain covers.   The ASM 678 is why Venomized covers are a "thing", and the concept itself has now practically become a sub-genre unto itself.  Its "modern grail" status, and presence in the ASM run should keep it near the top of this list for a very long time. 

 

#1- Amazing Spider-Man #667, Dell'Otto (2011)- Holding tightly to the top spot, this book continues to "amaze".  With a very impressive sale of $10,000 for a 9.8 (first publicly closed sale of a 9.8 in four and a half years), followed shortly thereafter by a 9.6 sale for $8,000, this is officially the first variant from this era of comics to crack these milestones, just two of many milestones that have been set by this book, and it will likely ensure that it stays at the top of this list for a long time.   It was nearly three years ago back in September, 2015 when a VF/NM-ish raw copy of this sold for over $2000 that, in retrospect, seems to have kicked off this "next-level" of prices that people are now willing to pay for even raw copies of some of these truly rare books. At the time, such a high price paid for a raw modern book, no matter how rare, raised more than a few eyebrows, but since then we have seen similar stratospheric prices paid for multiple other books, including this one, which beat its own record when another, VF-looking raw copy sold for $2500 six months later, and a 9.6 copy hit $4k in June, 2016. As a side bonus, the multiple blockbuster sales of this one book officially put the name "Dell'otto" on the map, and raised his profile to the A-lister status shared by other hot and talented artists with names like Campbell, McFarlane and Lee. Possibly one of the rarest books of all in the entire ASM run, it was a 1:100 that was originally offered to retailers after they had already submitted their orders for the month, on the heels of the massive ASM 666 retailer variant event, and to make matters even more dicey, there was another variant offered at the same time for weeks beforehand, with a competing incentive, that seemed to cause dealers to either not notice the Dell'otto or not bother to order it at all.   It truly is a completionist's nightmare, and a rare variant hunter's wet dream. Hardly ever offered for sale, in any condition, there are multiple reports of only about 225 of these being produced , and the more time that passes, the more that number looks to be accurate, as however few copies there are have already disappeared into permanent collections, and it is a veritable feeding frenzy when a copy does find its way to market.  To this day only one or two of these surfaces publicly for sale a year, and they are never anywhere to be found at conventions.   If there is such a thing as "Golden Age rarity" in the Modern Age, the ASM 667 Dell'Otto has it, and at this rate, there could easily come a time when years go by without any copy seeing the light of day. 

Thanks for reading, and until next time, happy hunting!

-J.

Edited August 22, 2018 by Jaydogrules

[ygogolak]

2 hours ago, Jaydogrules said:

What "holes"? The Spawn 185 makes the list because it sells for $2k+ raw which is more than what many of the books that do make the list sell for in a slabbed 9.8.

Spawn 185 doesn't make the list because the cheapest book on here sells for $1500+.

The virgin edition of Vengeance of Moon Knight is a ten year old book that only has two total slab sales ever, the first in April of this year, and only one first to market 9.8, and is more likely than not a second printing.  There are plenty of other books on this list that are as rare or rarer that have sold for big $ for years and that's the obvious answer for why there are more slabbed copies.  Read the initial mission statement and criteria of this list on page 1 of the thread if you have any further questions or concerns.  

-J.

1. Better check that list again for the books that sell for $1,500. Including the one I routinely point out. Is there a sale of $1,500? Yes, before 2018 the last one was 2013. Yet it has been on the list since the beginning.

2. There are no rules for how much a book needs to sell for nor the number of books on the list.

3. Glad you referenced back to the first page. Looks like there SHOULD be another addition that was mentioned when the thread was originally created.

The holes in your reasoning is sometimes you say "not enough sales", sometimes is "not enough high sales", now it's "it has to be $1,500". This is your thread an your rules, just pointing out the holes.

[RockMyAmadeus]

 

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9 hours ago, Jaydogrules said:

 

Finally getting a chance to update this list.  No new entrants this time, but lots of movement within the list, including that ultra exclusive, and rightfully difficult to penetrate "Top 5".  Also of note, when I first decided to start doing this list over a year ago, the #12 book was able to make the list with sales of 9.8's of just over $1,000.  Now, a book needs to have multiple sales of at least $1500 just to make this list- a testament to not only the staying power of these books, but their continuing upward mobility. 

I also decided to add a new "On The Outside, Looking In" Feature to this list- three books, in no particular order, that just barely missed the cut, for whatever reason (and may end up making the cut in future updates).  For this period, they are:

 

*Rick and Morty #1, Roiland (2015)-  Yes, this book is now three years old and officially qualifies to make the list.  However, due to a long and well documented history of questionable ebay sales, seemingly artificially skewing the value of the book, it misses the cut this time.

*Black Panther #1, Campbell Partial Sketch (2009)-  A former entrant on this list until a string of weaker sales caused it to fall off, strong recent raw sales of this book include one for about $1400 and another one for $1600 have it knocking on the door once again.  Would like to see a sale for a 9.8 and/or stronger slab sales to get back on this list.

*Ultimate Fallout #4, Djurdjevic (2011)-  It kind of seems inevitable that the first appearance of Miles Morales will make this list.  One big recent sale of a 9.8 for $1625 may mean that time is very near.

 

And now here is your Dirty Dozen of Most Valuable Modern Variants, 2018 Q3 Edition-

 

#12- Walking Dead #100, Lucille/Red Foil Editions (2012)-  This landmark issue of The Walking Dead features the introduction of the iconic Negan.   These crazy- rare issues seriously spiked when word first leaked that he would (finally) be making his appearance in the show.  Despite a single recent sale of a multiple signed 9.8 for $2500, I am placing this book at #12 this update due to the presence of numerous other 9.8 copies for sale on ebay for less than that (as low as $1499) that have not sold. 

 

#11- X-23 #1, Dell'Otto (2010)- The undeniable popularity of this book has recently resulted in first-  the image of it was re-used, not on a reprint, but as a cover for an entirely new comic, which itself has sold out, and is already going for as much as $300 on the secondary market.  And that hasn't slowed down or diminished demand for the original either as a 9.8 has recently sold for $1500, a 9.6 for $950, and an 8.5 for $730 push this book up one spot this update.  Combined with the fact that X-23 remains Marvel's hottest female character right now, a very well received introduction in the film Logan, serious discussions for a solo film, and a breath-taking cover that may be one of her best depictions to date, and you have a book that will likely continue to bounce around on this list for a long time to come. 

 

#10- Captain Marvel #14, 1:30 variant (2013)-  Moving up a spot this time around, this tough to find book boasts the first cameo appearance of Kamala Khan before she would become the new Ms. Marvel and an overnight sensation. Featuring a majestic take of her idol, Captain Marvel, standing atop a jet, it is certainly an apt introduction to what would become Marvel's next superstar. A recent announcement from the powers that be at Marvel that this character is being primed for introduction into the MCU have caused prices of this book to spike, with recent sales of a couple of 9.6 copies pushing $2k in a 9.6. 

 

#9-  Edge of Spider-verse #2, 1:25 variant (2014)-  Who would have thunk it?  A 9.8 copy of this book selling for an astounding $2,700 recently?  "YES!".  Whomever would have thought what seemed like a throw away one-off character would have this kind of staying power and turn out to be this popular?  Well it happened, so deal with it.  And now with a much talked about appearance on the big screen in the upcoming Spider-Verse movie (that title taken from the title of this book), it is looking like Spider-Gwen is here to stay.  Prices for this book are not only strong in a 9.8, causing it to move up a spot this update, but in most down grades, proving that the demand for this book is not only real, but quite strong.  So get used to it.   

 

#8- Amazing Spider-Man #700, Ditko (RIP, 1927-2018)    (2013)- This hearty ASM 1:200 book remains in the #8 slot as this book continues to show impressive strength in 9.8 yellow labels with recent sales in excess of $2,750.  By the looks of things it seems these also seem to be drying up into collections, as renewed interest in many ASM 700 variants in general continue to push it forward, with this one easily being the cream of the crop.  Featuring the first (full) appearance of Superior Spider-man, the "death" of Peter Parker, and the original un-used cover for Amazing Fantasy 15 by the late, great Mr. Steve Ditko, this book has been highly sought after since it first released, and will likely only continue to charge forward into the future.

 

#7- Siege #3, J. Scott Campbell (2010)- Holding at #7 with a recent 9.8 sale of $2,950, this bizarre retailer incentive that involved destroying other comic books, a super hot artist, and one of Marvel's most trendy characters flossing on the cover are the perfect recipe to keep this book firmly in the Top Ten. 

 

#6- Spawn #185, Sketch (2008)-  Despite no recent 9.8 sales, the recent appearance and sales of several raw copies for $1,600- $3,000+ earn this book a spot at #6.   But talk about ridiculously rare? Geesh! One of Image's original and longest running titles checks in here with its most valuable RI variant to date (maybe even Image's most valuable book, period). Clocking in at $2750 the last time a 9.8 copy came up for sale publicly, the scant census numbers should keep rare variant chasers on their heels and this book in high value and esteem for the foreseeable future.  Given the recent interest in older rare Spawn covers, the long term prospects for this book are looking bright indeed.

 

#5- Wolverine #1, J. Scott Campbell (2010)- Here we have another  JSC cover, this one his finest, though dropping a couple of spots to #5 with another recent sale of a 9.8 for $3,250. Even a low grade (for a modern) 6.0 copy has gone for just under $700.  How many modern comics can you say have done that?   Featuring a stocky Wolverine bulging out of Deadpool's costume, breaking the fourth wall as he smirks slyly at the viewer, this book recently had a rarely seen slabbed blue label 9.8 sell for $3350 and is very strong in all down grades, as well as raw. It was a "destroy comics" incentive to retailers, an incentive that was so derided in the industry that it has yet to be repeated, but resulted in a book with a very low print run and insatiable demand. It was the uber-high sales prices of this book a couple of years ago that really got the JSC train going at 100 miles per hour, and if it ever stops chugging along, people will still be paying big money for this book, and this one will likely be the one book for which he is most remembered in the years to come.  In this writer's opinion, this will end up being the one book that Campbell is best known for.  The fact that it combines two of Marvel's most popular characters and a Wolverine aping Deadpool's fourth-wall breaking sense of humour truly does showcase Campbell at his best.

 

#4- Uncanny X-Men #510 Partial Sketch, J. Scott Campbell (2009)- Without a doubt the most valuable and hard to find convention book out there, 9.6 copies of these have sold for $2800, and a recent sale of a slabbed 9.4 for $5,000 causes this book to move up a spot this update.   This book proves once that Campbell + crazy rarity + beautiful pin-up art = salivating fans and $$$. With a raw copies of this also cracking $2000, all things considered, it wouldn't take much for this book to jump even higher on this list, and indeed its legacy of high sales, coupled with a complete and total lack of copies appearing on the market should ensure its presence within to Top 5 in perpetuity.

#3- Batman #608 RRP (2002)-  Despite a blockbuster sale of a Jim Lee signed 9.8 copy for $5,500 on July 9 this modern age stalwart drops one spot this update.  The combination of it being Batman, a first appearance of a new character (on the cover),  Part One of a story line that put the Batman title back on top, deep within the run of a popular, long running title, 15 years old, ridiculously rare, and by the highly regarded Jim Lee, might make this the "perfect variant".  This is the "granddaddy" of the DC "RRP" line of books, and maybe even the age of modern variants as we know it to a certain extent.  With that recent 9.8 sale of $5,500 and 9.6's reaching nearly $3,000, and raw copies hitting $2100, even a 7.0 copy fetching $1,136, and copies seeming to have all but disappeared into personal collections, don't expect to get this one on the cheap ever again (when you can even find one).   

 

#2- Amazing Spider-Man #678 (2012)-  Moving all the way up to the #2 spot this go-round, this book has been on a bit of a tear lately, with multiple 9.6 copies pushing $3k, a signed 9.0 selling for $2,500, and a 9.8 selling for a whopping $6k on July 6, a new all time high, and the first 9.8 copy to sell publicly in two and a half years.  This now classic and oft-reprinted and homaged cover was a 1:50 variant when sales of ASM barely cracked 50,000, and features Mary Jane in mid-possession by the alien symbiote known as Venom. Its character mash-up and spoof elements made it an instant hit right out of the gate and it never looked back. So strong is the pull of this book that it raised to prominence (and value) of most, if not all of the other "Venom Variants" that were released outside of the ASM title that same month, which has led to a brand new batches of Venom variants released over the years, as well as Venomized villain covers.   The ASM 678 is why Venomized covers are a "thing", and the concept itself has now practically become a sub-genre unto itself.  Its "modern grail" status, and presence in the ASM run should keep it near the top of this list for a very long time. 

 

#1- Amazing Spider-Man #667, Dell'Otto (2011)- Holding tightly to the top spot, this book continues to "amaze".  With a very impressive sale of $10,000 for a 9.8 (first publicly closed sale of a 9.8 in four and a half years), followed shortly thereafter by a 9.6 sale for $8,000, this is officially the first variant from this era of comics to crack these milestones, just two of many milestones that have been set by this book, and it will likely ensure that it stays at the top of this list for a long time.   It was nearly three years ago back in September, 2015 when a VF/NM-ish raw copy of this sold for over $2000 that, in retrospect, seems to have kicked off this "next-level" of prices that people are now willing to pay for even raw copies of some of these truly rare books. At the time, such a high price paid for a raw modern book, no matter how rare, raised more than a few eyebrows, but since then we have seen similar stratospheric prices paid for multiple other books, including this one, which beat its own record when another, VF-looking raw copy sold for $2500 six months later, and a 9.6 copy hit $4k in June, 2016. As a side bonus, the multiple blockbuster sales of this one book officially put the name "Dell'otto" on the map, and raised his profile to the A-lister status shared by other hot and talented artists with names like Campbell, McFarlane and Lee. Possibly one of the rarest books of all in the entire ASM run, it was a 1:100 that was originally offered to retailers after they had already submitted their orders for the month, on the heels of the massive ASM 666 retailer variant event, and to make matters even more dicey, there was another variant offered at the same time for weeks beforehand, with a competing incentive, that seemed to cause dealers to either not notice the Dell'otto or not bother to order it at all.   It truly is a completionist's nightmare, and a rare variant hunter's wet dream. Hardly ever offered for sale, in any condition, there are multiple reports of only about 225 of these being produced , and the more time that passes, the more that number looks to be accurate, as however few copies there are have already disappeared into permanent collections, and it is a veritable feeding frenzy when a copy does find its way to market.  To this day only one or two of these surfaces publicly for sale a year, and they are never anywhere to be found at conventions.   If there is such a thing as "Golden Age rarity" in the Modern Age, the ASM 667 Dell'Otto has it, and at this rate, there could easily come a time when years go by without any copy seeing the light of day. 

Thanks for reading, and until next time, happy hunting!

-J.

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[porcupine48]

 

 

[newshane]

On 7/10/2018 at 10:48 AM, Jaydogrules said:

What "holes"? The Spawn 185 makes the list because it sells for $2k+ raw which is more than what many of the books that do make the list sell for in a slabbed 9.8.

Spawn 189 doesn't make the list because the cheapest book on here sells for $1500+.

The virgin edition of Vengeance of Moon Knight is a ten year old book that only has two total slab sales ever, the first, just in April of this year, and only one first to market 9.8, and is more likely than not a second printing.  There are plenty of other books on this list that are as rare or rarer that have sold for big $ for years and that's the obvious answer for why there are more slabbed copies.  Read the initial mission statement and criteria of this list on page 1 of the thread if you have any further questions or concerns.  

-J.

I would like to point out some things about Spawn 185 BW.

Number one, have you seen what's going down on eBay right now??????

Number two, I privately sold my copy recently. I will not disclose the amount, but it was...significant. I will not disclose the amount out of respect for the buyer.

Get ready to update your list. The 9.6 signed copy on eBay is already over 10K with almost a week left of bidding.

Spawn 185 BW absolutely...without a doubt...belongs on this list. I can tell you it already needs to be moved up to #2...and in a week it will hit #1.

Edited July 13, 2018 by newshane

[newshane]

As far as 189 goes? Undervalued. Also surprised that a copy of the 185 headless variant has languished with an asking price just over 1K.

Not on the list of rarest moderns....but it's certainly one of the top three or four rarest Spawn books.

Edited July 13, 2018 by newshane

[Jaydogrules]

13 minutes ago, newshane said:

I would like to point out some things about Spawn 185 BW.

Number one, have you seen what's going down on eBay right now??????

Number two, I privately sold my copy recently. I will not disclose the amount, but it was...significant. I will not disclose the amount out of respect for the buyer.

Get ready to update your list. The 9.6 signed copy on eBay is already over 10K with almost a week left of bidding.

Spawn 185 BW absolutely...without a doubt...belongs on this list. I can tell you it already needs to be moved up to #2...and in a week it will hit #1.

Yes I have seen what's going on with Spawn 185.  Multiple copies on the market and all of them being shilled up by the same 0 feedback bidder. The book still makes this list because of other sales in the recent past but I don't give much weight to these sales because they are all being queered by illicit bidding activity.  

Congrats on selling your copy too though (private sales don't make this list either, FYI).

-J.

Edited July 13, 2018 by Jaydogrules

[newshane]

1 hour ago, Jaydogrules said:

Yes I have seen what's going on with Spawn 185.  Multiple copies on the market and all of them being shilled up by the same 0 feedback bidder. The book still makes this list because of other sales in the recent past but I don't give much weight to these sales because they are all being queered by illicit bidding activity.  

Congrats on selling your copy too though (private sales don't make this list either, FYI).

-J.

The bidding does, indeed, look suspicious.

[Spawn1709]

1 hour ago, newshane said:

The bidding does, indeed, look suspicious.

The bidding went from $12,000 back down to about $10,000. Either way, definitely top 3 moderns.

[Jaydogrules]

33 minutes ago, Spawn1709 said:

The bidding went from $12,000 back down to about $10,000. Either way, definitely top 3 moderns.

Maybe (?)  But not on this list, based on these three auctions- all of which have been shilled, and one of which, the raw copy that was just "sold", has now been completely scrubbed from records by ebay (due to shilling).

-J.

[Spawn1709]

True. But they still reached in the thousands before all these copies coming up on eBay. 

[ygogolak]

1 hour ago, Spawn1709 said:

The bidding went from $12,000 back down to about $10,000. Either way, definitely top 3 moderns.

Wow, that didn't take long. The shill bidder was removed and thus the bids that were pushed up remain.

This was also the same bidder that had "won" the recent raw.

I will say this was a direct or indirect result of Jay pointing out the bidding activity.

[Spawn1709]

1 hour ago, Jaydogrules said:

Maybe (?)  But not on this list, based on these three auctions- all of which have been shilled, and one of which, the raw copy that was just "sold", has now been completely scrubbed from records by ebay (due to shilling).

-J.

I hope your right though. As someone trying to get my hands on a copy of this book in a 9.8, I'm worried that it might get too expensive. 

[Spawn1709]

1 minute ago, ygogolak said:

Wow, that didn't take long. The shill bidder was removed and thus the bids that were pushed up remain.

This was also the same bidder that had "won" the recent raw.

I will say this was a direct or indirect result of Jay pointing out the bidding activity.

Very interesting stuff indeed. I really hope the value doesn't go up on this book until after I buy it

[ygogolak]

1 minute ago, Spawn1709 said:

Very interesting stuff indeed. I really hope the value doesn't go up on this book until after I buy it

This is exactly why people shill bid. They create a fake account that is removed, so what.

They have now pushed a book into an all-time high price that someone else will end up paying as a result. We don't know what the actual open market value is now because it was trumped up by a false bidder.

This creates false satatistics for price and most likely the shill bidder is going to sell theirs.

It happened with the Rick & Morty variant but it was too late by that point.

[Spawn1709]

1 minute ago, ygogolak said:

This is exactly why people shill bid. They create a fake account that is removed, so what.

They have now pushed a book into an all-time high price that someone else will end up paying as a result. We don't know what the actual open market value is now because it was trumped up by a false bidder.

This creates false satatistics for price and most likely the shill bidder is going to sell theirs.

It happened with the Rick & Morty variant but it was too late by that point.

Yeah. I though eBay had a policy against doing this? I also thought that they caught them all the time? 

[ygogolak]

Just now, Spawn1709 said:

Yeah. I though eBay had a policy against doing this? I also thought that they caught them all the time? 

The shill bidder has been removed / banned. All that does is revert to the last high bid before them from a legit account.

Example:

So Joe is now the high bidder at $10,000,000 because a fake account bid him up by putting in a bid of $10,000,001.

Yes, Joe has committed to paying that amount, BUT it may have never reached that price because there was nobody else that wanted to lay that much. So the market may only be one person at that price. But now the sales are skewed.

[Spawn1709]

1 minute ago, ygogolak said:

The shill bidder has been removed / banned. All that does is revert to the last high bid before them from a legit account.

Example:

So Joe is now the high bidder at $10,000,000 because a fake account bid him up by putting in a bid of $10,000,001.

Yes, Joe has committed to paying that amount, BUT it may have never reached that price because there was nobody else that wanted to lay that much. So the market may only be one person at that price. But now the sales are skewed.

Ohhhh, that makes sense! Thanks for clarifying. Sounds pretty scummy to do that though.